I know there are 5 million of these threads out there somewhere, some complaining about the effect, other just talking about the effect. Is there a thread I'm missing somewhere, that our class representitive, or whatever, has listed what most of the concerns or suggestions are?

I see a lot of threads in which people complain that our effect is useless (I happen to agree), but I can not find a single thread in which there is a petition set up, or just some demands specific to the 1.5/2.0 effect. I find this to be one of the more important issues that I have with the druid class ATM.

I don't post too often here, lately I've been reading a few more threads about stuff, and many things I don't worry about or see too much concern about. I know that we never excel in one area, but come in second place in a lot of area's (although I think we are the best spot healers for raid situations :) )

If someone can link me to where I can find out what the druid community is asking for with our effect, I would appreciate it. Please do not give me links to a few threads in which everyone is arguing about how much the effect sucks or that we should have 3000 bald eagles come down and sweep away everyone in the zone, dumping them in south karana.

If there isn't an online petition going, I ask why not? No one cares anymore, or people just think that Sony doesn't care?

Anyway, thanks for reading this, and stuff.

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have 3000 bald eagles come down and sweep away everyone in the zone, dumping them in south karana.


that would be an improvement.

Last night after the "quick" re-patch.... Nature's Blight landed on a mob in PG, the next cast was Solstic strike which happen to crit for 3928. My normal crit for that spell is 3852. So there was some increase in damage, but not a fixed 5% increase which I for some reason thought it would be /sigh

I wasn't able to find out if my groupmate's nukes were also increased (he plays with all battle spam off and I play with all except mine off - except for crits).

Anyone verify if other caster's nukes increased too?

It is not a fixed 5% increase. It is 1% to 5%.

And yes, it is on the druid top 10 list to which SOE responds every 2 weeks. Their response to this issue has been that 1.5 epic effects are under review for all epics.

With the sad effect, I have absolutely no motivation to get 1.5. And that's just not right.

Please do not give me links to a few threads in which everyone is arguing about how much the effect sucks or that we should have 3000 bald eagles come down and sweep away everyone in the zone, dumping them in south karana.

now THAT would be a great Epic effect...

After the repatch I tried it using Summers Flame b/c it has a nice even number on the base DD amount. I took all my focus items off so I would know exactly what it was hitting for.

Over 8 nukes, my max was 1428 .. my low was 1411. I've not clicked my epic since.

Sstormy

It doesn't just work for our nukes... It's the first 10 nukes cast, which I believe includes weapon procs. I suggest this because I cast it, and 5 secs later it wears off. Before I can even get a nuke in on a raid. :p

With the sad effect, I have absolutely no motivation to get 1.5. And that's just not right.

I find it amazing that someone weilding epic 1.0 would have no mitivation to get 1.5 because the click sucks.

Yea, the click is pretty gimp.. so are some other 1.5's. But if/when they fix it, it would sure be nice to actually HAVE ONE, and until then, I dont see how you can dismiss the massive upgrade in stats.

Cily

I dont see how you can dismiss the massive upgrade in stats.

I can dismiss them quite easily. To me they are not MASSIVE. I don't need the 5 stamina, or the 10 wisdom, or the 20 charisma. The hit points are a nice upgrade. In my mind, the increase in Fire/cold/magic resist is offset by the DECREASE in poison/disease resist.

The time I would need to invest in getting this, I could be getting AA points. Those AA points would give me much more return for my investment. Maybe when I finish some of those, I can move through epic 1.5 a bit more.

Questioning the effect of the epic or explaining its value to yourself as a player is fine. Please don't try to question MY motivations or playstyle. I was simply relaying my thoughts, nothing more.

/boggle.

How can anyone say that a 100manna/100hp plus upgrade is just OK? This is not a hard quest if you are lvl 70 (and have a guild that fields 50-60ppl so u can do the last 2 fights). I did all but the last 2 raid fights alone or with one group over 2 afternoons - not much of a time sink at all. I don't mean to argue but come on. This is a huge upgrade to epic 1.0. Also, imo, comparable to 1.0 at the time when we where all doing that quest - it's easier. No contested spawns means no big roadblocks like with 1.0.

There are no comparable items that I can think of to this unless you are Time flagged or better (Hammer of Hours). Also - 2.0 looks pretty nice - I'd like to get that some day. Maybe you should think of 1.5 as a stepping stone.

Our effectivness as a class primarily is in our manna pool and manna regen (at least the way I play). This directly influences our manna pool.

I agree with some of the other posts. I am tired of hearing ppl complain about this item as being unworthy. Obviously, if you don't have to do the quest if you don't have to. It may not be everything we wanted - but the stats alone make this a desirable item for all but the highest lvl druids on the server (and they'll probably get it just becouse it looks kewl :biggrin: ).

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Storm Warden of Sojourners (http://www.sojournerseofbrell.com/)

/boggle.

How can anyone say that a 100manna/100hp plus upgrade is just OK? This is not a hard quest if you are lvl 70 (and have a guild that fields 50-60ppl so u can do the last 2 fights). I did all but the last 2 raid fights alone or with one group over 2 afternoons - not much of a time sink at all. I don't mean to argue but come on. This is a huge upgrade to epic 1.0. Also, imo, comparable to 1.0 at the time when we where all doing that quest - it's easier. No contested spawns means no big roadblocks like with 1.0.

There are no comparable items that I can think of to this unless you are Time flagged or better (Hammer of Hours). Also - 2.0 looks pretty nice - I'd like to get that some day. Maybe you should think of 1.5 as a stepping stone.

Our effectivness as a class primarily is in our manna pool and manna regen (at least the way I play). This directly influences our manna pool.

I agree with some of the other posts. I am tired of hearing ppl complain about this item as being unworthy. Obviously, if you don't have to do the quest if you don't have to. It may not be everything we wanted - but the stats alone make this a desirable item for all but the highest lvl druids on the server (and they'll probably get it just becouse it looks kewl :biggrin: ).

Elder Penasi Taxi (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=825300)
Storm Warden of Sojourners (http://www.sojournerseofbrell.com/)

While I will agree that is is one humongous upgrade to EPIC 1.0, I know of No level 70 Druid who wields the Epic 1.0 on a regular basis. I would imagine they would be wielding items such as:

Blade of The Tempest
Hammer of Hours
Illuminated Hammer
Noqufiel's Wand of Infinite Emnity
Sharkspine Club
Cudgel of Glowing Clay

To name just a few. I use the Hammer of Hours not just for its 750 DD (1500 Crit) but also in conjunction with Blade of the Tempest (w/Tempest Wrath) as well as other DoTs for the bonus to DoT damage.

So, like several previous posters, Epic 1.5 is just not worth the time vs the reward. If and/or when the effect is changed, then I will reconsider the Epic 1.5/2.0.

Nanoq MajicBlade
70 Naturewalker Natureguard
The Elitists
The Tribunal

My response was made for manwinn - and according to his magelo, he still wields epic 1.0. I imagine there are quite a few druids who are at a point in EQ's progression that 1.5 is a huge upgrade.

Again - to comment on the time commitment. This is not a huge time sink. Throw your LFG tag up and do it in bits and pieces while you wait for a group. If you have any friends at all in game, you will be ready for the final 2 fights in no time - trust me - it's pretty easy. If you are one of those that has absolutely no down time and you xp from the moment you log in till you log, you're doing better than me. :wink:

Another bonus to this epic - it doesn't cost any DKP in my guild. Most guilds I know do not charge you to complete your epic fights (for those guilds using DKP). Many druids in my guild chose to pass on the HoH in PoTime and get their stats upgrade for free. I do like my HoH for the situational use - but to each his own.

And to those that think our epic is not as good as others - that doesn't bother me at all. There's should be better. Druids still OWN all classes - those other poor classes need all the help they can get!:smile:

I really don't mean to be arguementative - I just totally disagree with some of the thoughts out there. And take a look at epic 2.0. How can you NOT want to work towards that item. The stats are GODLY.

My response was made for manwinn

My god. Why must you attack people for voicing their opinions. I said it wasn't worth it for me PERSONALLY. If you want to go out and get it, then go and get it. I really don't care.

I think this epic is gimped. The effect sux. PERSONALLY, I think we got scr*wed over again. That's it, my personal opinion. You don't have to agree, but don't even attempt to questions my motives/playstyle/time commitments/etc.

and have a guild that fields 50-60ppl so u can do the last 2 fights

RCoD can be done with 40ish, Kith can be done with 18. Had I not got a blade from LMM I would have been wearing epic 1.0 til I finished my 1.5 as getting any decent weapon until time is a bitch :O/. But, even with my 1.5 I will still buy the first HoH we get to drop b/c Ive a decent melee weapon for ages and I <3 the proc on that thing.

I think we got scr*wed over again. That's it, my personal opinion

Its not an opinion when its the truth~

I'm sorry if you viewed my reply as an attack Manwinn. It was not meant that way at all. Most threads regarding our epic 1.5 are rants and how useless it is. I'm voicing my opinion that gaining 100 manna and 100 HP's (regardless of the effect) is an awsome increase. It's always been my goal to max both these stats. Through this thread I've learned that everyone does not share that sentiment. So be it.

Discussions like this are never personal for me. This is a forum for us to discuss a variety of EQ topics. Through our posts, hopefully, we will learn from the advice and experiences of others. Thats really the point of these boards imo. It's why I come here - to discuss and learn. I try to keep an open mind in all discussion threads. Again, I'm a very small voice in the druid community atm who is not railing against the epic. Sure - the effects are lame. That was never my point. I'm just trying to point out some of the benifits this upgrade can be to plenty of druids (I grouped with 2 different druids last night. One in RCoD and one in MPG - both wielding their epic 1.0). This item just gets so much bad press. But I absolutely respect your right to gear yourself as you see fit.

So Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all!

edit - and on the final 2 fights - I was offering a raid size I thought would approprietly handle the encounters regardless of gear. I would imagine a group not elemental geared at least may need a few more ppl. Of course - I could be wrong. Just a guess on my part. :)

Beating a dead horse, but I'll take one more swat. Really, it's because of the lame effect that I am so disappointed in it. I watched the thread here when people were unravelling the quest, gaining clues, inching forward. After all that hard work and anticipation, it was a let down for me when I saw what it did. I was quite disappointed.

I guess it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and that in itself is why I have such little interest in it.

I did Rcod with 21 people ranging from 64 - 70 which many of them are not even guildies also not even elemental equipped. As for Kithicor I had about 21 peeps as well.

The rest of the way before this 2 major fights I almost single handedly soloed most mobs other than have 2 people for Harbinger's fight, and 9 people for Natimbi.

I think it's well worth the time spend doing it. Maybe I was lucky I spawned the hider first time found him and whack him. AND I love my new epic. I might or might not be able to get 2.0 as most people in my guild are rather reluctant to do epic raids despite having a chest spawn at the end of the major raids.

If you have the chance to get the 1.5 and if you are in a normal guild I think this is worth every hour you spend to get it. At least I don't have to get flags to get to those weapons that someone listed in Elemental or even Time which normal players has lesser chance to achieve.

Azmirah

I would say that when it comes to an epic weapon, the playerbase (and myself) expects something that would be wielded for years to come. Stats play a role in that, but stats eventually gets superceeded in 1-2 expansions. Thus its more important for an epic to have a useful, one of a kind effect. I think this is what made a lot of druids upset, that their epic effect already exists in many other items and worse, the epic effect is much weaker than existing effects.

Depending on when I cast it, it last nowhere near 1 minute anymore.

On a raid it might last 3 seconds, in a group, maybe 30 - 45 seconds.

Did they put a total damage cap on it? Or does it only effect a certain number of nukes? Are they ever going to help out with its ability to be resisted frequently?

There is a limit. A field on lucy called "numhits" which reads 10 for Nature's Blight. That could mean 10 hits of any kind, 10 nukes or procs, or just 10 nukes.

I dont have it so I cant test it, but I suspect it's 10 nukes or procs. Someone needs to find out for sure.

Is that new since the 12/15 patch? Or was it just not counting down the hits before when it wasn't working AT ALL?

In either case, I think putting an additional cap (other than the 1 minute timer) on the effect is EXTREMELY lame. I don't really thing there should be a 1-minute timer, though, either. If it's only 5% increased damage, make it wear off like HoRo. It doesn't change your group or raid's DPS that much. If you are going to limit the spell by time, the damage modifier needs to go up dramatically, like 20%. If you are going to limit it to 10 hits of spells / procs, that's retarded, but in that case you should raise the damage modifier on the spell to 50% or higher.

The hit limit was on test along with the fixed effect, and was discussed elsewhere around the board here. So yes, it got pushed live with the 12/15 patch. Remember, it's not a flat 5% increase... it's random between 1% (could be zero? I dont know) and 5%. And yeah, it's pretty sad heh...

I was simply relaying my thoughts, nothing more.
Hehe, so was I.

Sorry, did not know "opinion" was unique and owned by you.

/scampers off

Cily

So you come back here more than 2 weeks later and make ANOTHER snide, sarcastic remark?

And what was the point of that?

You are correct, we are all entitled to our opinions. And it is my opinion that certain people are not worth any more of my time.

/ignore

I realize some class has to have the worst rated epic, and I'm ok that's it's ours.....but looking at ALL the other classes focus/effect on their epics 1.5 and 2.0's, I'd take HALF the stats of ANY of the the focus/effects they bring and be much much much happier. That is how sucktaculor ours is.

I'd just rather have it blank, it's that much of a joke.

:moon: