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Panamah
03-04-2005, 01:47 PM
Ha! It's your turn to have finger related traits. Maybe the shorter your index finger the more likely you are to using your middle finger.
Edinburgh Evening News
Fri 4 Mar 2005
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Short index finger shows men are as hard as nails
THE length of a man’s fingers can reveal how physically aggressive he is, according to new research.
The shorter the index finger is compared to the ring finger, the more boisterous he will be, University of Alberta researchers said.
But the same was not true for verbal aggression or hostile behaviours, they told the journal Biological Psychology after studying 300 people’s fingers. The trend is thought to be linked to testosterone exposure in the womb.
There is known to be a direct correlation between finger lengths and the amount of the male hormone testosterone that a baby is exposed to in the womb. In women, the two fingers are usually almost equal in length, as measured from the crease nearest the palm to the fingertip. In men, the ring finger tends to be longer than the index.
Other studies looking at finger length have suggested that, in men, a long ring finger and symmetrical hands are an indication of fertility, and women with a longer index finger are more likely to be fertile.
One study found boys with shorter ring fingers tended to be at greatest risk of a heart attack in early adulthood, which was linked to testosterone levels.
In the current study, Dr Peter Hurd found men with the shortest index fingers scored higher on measures of physical aggression than those with longer index fingers.
Dr Hurd is now looking at male hockey players to see if there is any correlation between finger lengths and each player’s penalty record for contact and fouling during matches.
Oh good grief. Lock that doctor in lab and don't let him out until he finds a cure for cancer. Who funds that sort of rubbish research all the time?
Scirocco
03-04-2005, 06:13 PM
My index and ring fingers on both heads are nearly the same length. Wonder what that means...:)
Cantatus
03-05-2005, 07:34 AM
That you need to have your heads checked?
;)
Fyyr Lu'Storm
03-07-2005, 03:19 AM
Marc Breedlove released that science back in 1999.
Nothing new.
My unscientific experiments have not repeated his results.
B_Delacroix
03-07-2005, 12:24 PM
Sounds a lot like Phrenology.
Panamah
03-07-2005, 01:24 PM
Hmm... I think phrenology was popular before DNA was discovered or studied much so I don't believe anyone every linked head bumps to DNA.
I'm just curious -- why is it so difficult to believe that your exposure to certain levels of hormones during gestation would control certain aspects of your appearance and temperment during adulthood? I've read about ratios of testosterone and estrogen (and other hormones) on cognitive and mental performance in men and women. The entire process of cells differentiating into specific types of things (organs, fingers, toes, skin) is controlled by chemicals.
Anyone that has had a hormone imbalance, diabetes, thyroid, adrenals, can tell you what a major impact those suckers have on your personality. Or if you've ever taken a hormone, like testosterone or estrogen, it really does change things. Like give a woman a little more testosterone than she needs and she will get a little agressive and extremely horney. A combination that can make for an interesting life!
As an aside, I notice how much genetic research is coming from Scotland these days. I hear that it is becoming more and more of a hub for that sort of thing. Kind of sad. Used to be the US was tops for genetic research.
As a mathematician, I like my medicine to be based on medical research, not statistics.
Fyyr Lu'Storm
03-07-2005, 07:16 PM
As an aside, I notice how much genetic research is coming from Scotland these days. I hear that it is becoming more and more of a hub for that sort of thing. Kind of sad. Used to be the US was tops for genetic research.
Marc Breedlove did his research while at Berkeley.
Your point is valid though, Dolly and all.
okthisnameplz
03-07-2005, 08:47 PM
The funny thing is, I've seen this study completely differently. I've seen a similar study that showed the poportionality of your fingers told if you were more or less likely to be hetero/homosexual. I'll try to find a link for that.
Something like that (the study I've seen) just makes similar studies hard to swallow.
Edit: found it- http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/gay.fingers/
Fyyr Lu'Storm
03-07-2005, 11:55 PM
The funny thing is, I've seen this study completely differently. I've seen a similar study that showed the poportionality of your fingers told if you were more or less likely to be hetero/homosexual. I'll try to find a link for that.
Something like that (the study I've seen) just makes similar studies hard to swallow.
Edit: found it- http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/gay.fingers/
I am confused by your post.
Androgen is a precursor to testosterone.
Studies have shown that of male homosexuals there is a spike of first born sons.
Studies have shown that homosexual males have, on average, larger genitalia than their brothers.
Niether of which contradict the(a) testosterone hypothesis.
Studies have confirmed that in utero hormonal levels, in amniotic fluid, change according to birth order, and that those levels follow trends and patterns. I have not seen if this is maternal or placental in origin, though.
For those who do not know, placental tissue is the baby's not the mother's tissue.
The Scottish results that Pan posted, does not contradict the studies that you posted(that I mentioned previously). If not only confirming, it was the basis, I am sure, for their studies in the first place, most likely(hopefully) under more scientific standards than a photocopy machine at San Francisco street fairs.
okthisnameplz
03-08-2005, 12:12 AM
Look at pan's post. It says that the chemical exposure in the womb that makes fingers certain lengths also controls adult's personalities. I was showing yet another study that uses the same chemical exposure (and hence the finger length thing) as making people more likely to be gay. I was only pointing out that they are pinning alot on such a little trait, and that makes me weary of believing either.
sorry if that was confusing. I guess I could've worded the intro better. =)
Panamah
03-08-2005, 09:29 AM
As a mathematician, I like my medicine to be based on medical research, not statistics.
Human mothers are so fussy about experimenting on their babies!
Fyyr Lu'Storm
03-09-2005, 02:30 AM
Look at pan's post. It says that the chemical exposure in the womb that makes fingers certain lengths also controls adult's personalities. I was showing yet another study that uses the same chemical exposure (and hence the finger length thing) as making people more likely to be gay. I was only pointing out that they are pinning alot on such a little trait, and that makes me weary of believing either.
sorry if that was confusing. I guess I could've worded the intro better. =)
I am wary as well.
Only because my sampling of individuals that I know, have not returned the same results. But my population size is certainly not representative.
Inhaled amounts of hormones cause noticable differences in my physiology, as well as behavior, now as an adult. To say that literally living in them in utero does not affect physiology or behavior would be premature.
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