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Cassea
08-12-2005, 10:45 AM
I'm level 69 with a mix of ornate and some newer stuff. I have 70 AA points but every aa point is in areas that have nothing to do with mana.

Why do I have only 5k mana pool? BTW my Wisdom is 300ish and I here that others have cracked 400 wisdom. It was my understanding that after 200 that you only get +5 mana per +1 wisdom so that extra 100 wisdom (400 over my 300) means only 500 mana.

So where else is all this mana coming from? I guess if you have +100 mana on every item you own you can get another 1000+ mana so now you're up to 6kish

Where do they get 7k? 8k? higher?

Anything a more casual player can do to get this 5k mana pool up or am I stuck?

Thanks in advance.

-Cass

brum15
08-12-2005, 11:22 AM
cass

not sure what rings and earring you have. but nice ones drop in MPG and trials and such. My 69 bst has 5.6K mana and he has not even tried to gear up for it. Look for high mana/hp rings, earrings, facemask etc. Ornate armor really is not that great with pluses on mana--I only keep mine for certain clicks like the haste from bst BP for example--after clicking I take it off. ornate usually runs about +55 or + 65 instead of the +140 or so you get from newer zone drops. Start looking at OOW tier 1 or tier 2 armor.

djinnie
08-12-2005, 11:42 AM
I'm a casual player myself and have spent time working on mana AA's and getting the oow faction for the quests. Check magelo for gear

Buying gear came from getting Discordant Scoreia(sp) and selling for 80kpp ish in Baz.

I'd say get 70 and buffer then work through your mana AA's whilst working on faction and armour drops.

Good luck

Djinnie Chu'unthor on Quellious
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=96411

Cassea
08-12-2005, 11:52 AM
What specific AA's affect your mana pool and to what extent?

Thanks

-Cass

Tenielle
08-12-2005, 12:09 PM
None of them, unless you count wisdom related AAs.

Augs play a big role, and when you consider that a lot of the high end gear has 300 mana and you have 20 slots you're looking at 6000+ mana from gear alone.

As a casual gamer, I'd suggest you do as much DoN as you can do and get those mana augs. With the extra slots on the DoN gear you can make items with over 200 mana on them.

Cassea
08-12-2005, 01:15 PM
So it's nothing in particular... just a bit by bit increase 50 here 50 there.

-Cass

Juniper
08-12-2005, 01:30 PM
Yeah. While the wisdom based AA's will help, really it's just an upgrade here and there that gives you the boosts, just like hp.

One thing you could do right now would be to go to MPG and see if Soul-Imbued Ring is rotting. If it's not one will be in like 10 minutes. I have one in my magelo if you want to see. Drops at Blind Hunter/Taskfiend camp.

Vekx
08-12-2005, 02:05 PM
The AA "Innate Enlighenment" allows you to raise your max WIS by ten per rank. (if you happen to max it out)

And Chaotic Potential also raises the cap. (if again you max it out)

Rest is all gear and augs.

Zacory
08-12-2005, 04:49 PM
Cassea,

I'm only lvl 63 with 4.2k mana with 290 wis cap atm. My knowledge of high end gear is somewhat limited. But I do know that high end content raiders seem to have access to the best gear around. I imagine high level druids just upgrade gear when they can through raiding the upper zones of the various expansions. Others such as myself upgrade through the bazaar occasionally (but not near at the same level as the raiders).

The wisdom on gear is nice to see and obviously helps the mana pool. As your character gains experience, each level above 60 increases your max wisdom cap 5 points (I think). As for AA's, there are a few that also increase the max wisdom cap:

Innate Enlightenment (5 ranks of 10 wis each)
Planar Power (5 ranks for 5 wis each)
Chaotic Potential (5 ranks for 5 wis each)
Gift of Keepers (adds 10 to max stats)

For a Grand total Wisdom max of 415 now I believe.

But to answer your question about huge mana pools directly, the Druids with mana pools over and above 5-6k - up to 12.5k and beyond have massive +Mana modifiers on their gear. The Druid epic 2.0 (Staff of Everliving Brambles) has a +630 mana modifier (not to mention +50 to wisdom). Some of the best druid gear I've seen armor wise has +300 to 430 mana modifiers. I've also seen more than a variety of augments that have anywhere from 50-100 mana each.

I've recently improved my gear with some Ornate pieces. But those only have +50 to 100 mana modifiers. I truely believe that if my mana pool is to go beyond 6k when I reach level 70, I need to be raiding for gear. I did a search on Allakhazam for druid gear from DON only with +mana modifiers. Most of the items I clicked drop from level 80 mobs.

Anyways, I've linked below 2 profiles of some top notch druids on my server, Maelin Starpyre. Their guild, Assent, is one of the top raiding guilds on MS. Their profiles will give you a good look at some ubber druid gear (Nimchip's mana pool is over 11k and Kaidman's mana pool is approaching 13k!!).

Nimchip (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=115612&resize=true)

Kaidman (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=692837&alt=0)

Note to Nimchip and Kaidman - Hopefully you guys don't mind me posting your profiles. I just did it because I've got the utmost admiration for you and your guild.

Matren
08-12-2005, 04:49 PM
........................................... *blink*..........................................

Naeyene
08-12-2005, 05:57 PM
Do DoN's ~ Lots of them~ Fantastic gear and fantastic augs for the non-raiding players! And the amount of crystals you need to upgrade yourself is so reasonable. :)

Iilane SalAlur
08-12-2005, 08:25 PM
So where else is all this mana coming from? I guess if you have +100 mana on every item you own you can get another 1000+ mana so now you're up to 6kish

You're underestimated the amount of mana raid gear can give. Just elemental gear with augs alone can give over +150 mana per piece so thats already 1500+ mana. I'm sure 4 expansions later, top end raid gear would be giving +250 if not +300 per item so thats 3000+ mana. Heck, as a 65 druid I already had well over 6k mana. If I had continued playing, I'm pretty sure I would have well over 8k by now.

Cassea
08-12-2005, 08:53 PM
Thanks once again for the great information. As soon as I get level 70, so I can put on that aug I bought before I saw level 70 required LOL, I"ll start on my aa's and hopefully I'll get what is considered respectable mana.

Thanks again

-Cass

Kamion
08-12-2005, 09:33 PM
+100 mana (average) to each slot was posible long ago. Nowadays, if someone really focused on it, they may be able to get 100 mana average for just their augs.

People have +8000 mana from gear nowdays (350+ per slot average.) Also, +wis aa's, DoN stats aa's, and DoN tenacity aa (direct hp mana.) Also keep in mind, and this doesn't effect magelos, there's clicky buffs for hp and mana that stack with everything.

Aluaeia
08-12-2005, 10:46 PM
The Druid epic 2.0 (Staff of Everliving Brambles) has a +630 mana modifier (not to mention +50 to wisdom).

No it doesn't.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=62880

Aldier
08-12-2005, 11:26 PM
The way Kaidman and some other of the top end (uber) raiding druids have augments added to the 2.0 they are possible to achieve those levels of mana. However, in general, to increase your gear, I would recommend looking into trying to get OoW tier 1 armor, the no drop components drop in Harbingers, WoS, think also RCoD, which items are typically on the 100-125hp/mana range, if there is a guild that casually raids in the elemental planes, joining them eventually would get you some elemental gear that is in the 130-140 hp/mana range. The other place is the DoN armor merchants. With some choice augments that add hp or mana you can create pieces that are equal to elemental armor. When you reach the 100hp/mana + on each piece of gear, then start looking for 150hp/mana. And 200hp/mana. Then after that you are looking at pretty much end game loots from GoD, OoW, DoN to advance beyond that point. Epic 1.5 raids also drop some fairly decent pieces.

Another big source of hp/mana boosts not mentioned as much as possible are augments. In RSS the Statue/Res Sum/room outside Queen camp drops an augment from the named mobs that is 70mana/end and fits in 4 slots so can get a couple of those eventually as you are able to get groups in RSS more and more. There are several other good mana augs out there if you look for them.

Nimchip
08-13-2005, 10:08 AM
It's all about augments really. My old leader in E`ci made us priests focus on mana augments a lot so i had a few before coming over to maelin and joining assent. DoN augments are really worth it... and remember, augments can be up to 40% of your "gear set", they really are important.

Matren
08-13-2005, 11:03 AM
You GL actually made you get mana augments? That's pretty weak :O/.

Moklianne
08-13-2005, 12:18 PM
If you are in a casual guild or a nonraiding guild, I'd say the best bet is do DoN's till you're blue in the face. Some of the upper stuff is equivelant to or even better than Elemental plane loot. Then they have slot 9 augs you can put on them to make them even better

And remember, you can always sell stuff back to the DoN merchants if you out grow them.

The gear on my Magelo is mainly from VT through EP's, with a couple of Time and GoD loots. All from raiding with the exception of the Silverine Waistcoat and the Facade of Fright. Both are from single groupable mobs/events. I think the Silverine Waistcoat was from RCoD, and the Facade of Fright was from the fear trial in MPG. Waistcoat is droppable incase you wanted to spend the 100k or whatever on it.

Laurelleii
08-13-2005, 01:34 PM
You GL actually made you get mana augments? That's pretty weak :O/.

A Guild Leader heavily encouraging you to improve your toon on your own is hardly weak :rolleyes:

Matren
08-13-2005, 02:42 PM
A Guild Leader heavily encouraging you to improve your toon on your own is hardly weak :rolleyes:

To make casters just focus on mana augs is though.

Iilane SalAlur
08-13-2005, 06:03 PM
To make casters just focus on mana augs is though.

That depends on the types of raid he is planning to take on. In some fights, especially the older raids, healers don't have to worry about getting aggro or AEs. In these cases, I would expect a raid leader to get his healers more mana.

Aldier
08-14-2005, 01:13 AM
I personally felt that mana augs were the best thing for me to go after. If you have another suggestion as to something more valuable to me than my mana please let me know. Yes I would take a 60hp/mana over a 90mana but I am not sure what you are refering to. My class mentors have asked me to try and continue focusing on my mana first and hp second. This is also the way I had focused my gear as best I could until I got to the higher end content in which my resists begin to have a bigger effect.

Aderel
08-14-2005, 08:34 AM
I wouldn't touch a mana aug, or a guild that would try to force them on me, with a 10 ft pole.

Zacory
08-15-2005, 10:53 AM
I previously mentioned incorrect info about the Druid epic 2.0, Staff of Everliving Brambles. Thanks to Aluaeia for correcting me. I was obviously looking at a staff that was augmented. Woops! :wiggle:

At any rate, a +340 mana and +30 Wisdom is still pretty darn nice for one piece of gear.

All in all, I'm happy Cassea got a variety of information to answer the initial question! :clap:

InTenSity
08-15-2005, 12:51 PM
Mana does no good from bind. I still don't understand why people would want mana augs over hp augs, or even resist augs if they need the resists. You might have a 10k mana pool, but if you are only hitting 10k hp raid buffed with some of these fights, you are using more mana to heal yourself anyway. That or you are just getting sloppy with how you use mana. Then again I've been told I don't play a druid in any type of conventional way whatsoever. HP>resists>mana, IMO.

Kamion
08-15-2005, 01:14 PM
IMO, its realtive to where you raid and where you gear is.

For example, if you raid time+ and your resists are under 200 unbuffed, i'ld focus on them. But for basically anyone anywhere, I wouldn't advise having a single non-bic resists aug if your resists are over 300 unbuffed. If your raiding tacvi or anguish and have under 7k (8k for anguish) hp unbuffed, I would focus on that.

But at a certain point, if you have the hp / survivibility tools to where you can live through anything that its posible for you to live through depending if heals get off on you in time, i'ld go with mana. To elaborate, I have ~10k hp unbuffed atm. I could switch out my mana augs and gain a few 100. But it virtually wouldn't help me live through any situation that I can't now, because I'ld still be dependant on someone else getting heals off on me. But on the otherhand, I can drain all 12500 of my mana on just about any fight, if I want to. On ture, if I'm healing and curing my group while doing 300+ dps on ture, that will drain me quite a bit. Too many people get locked into the "I'm a healer" or the "I'm a nuker" mindset to see the benefit of larger mana pools, but if you have under 10kish mana in anguish and say you don't need more, it means your not going all out.

Also, I'm surprised no one mentioned mods. I would recommend to many to replace a 50 hp or mana aug with the 2% spell shield aug from primals. I'll admit I'm a mods freak, but considering one of the most dangerous thing to a druid in tacvi is tavas's golem ae's, mitigating 60 hp per ae will do a lot more for you than having 50 more total hp or mana.

Also keep in mind you don't need to focus on mana augs if you desire a slight edge in mana. If the gear your getting isn't from qvic (or a few other locations), you'll most likely be getting more mana from your pre-auged gear than hp.

Matren
08-15-2005, 01:41 PM
I wouldn't touch a mana aug, or a guild that would try to force them on me, with a 10 ft pole.
qft.

I went resist happy with DoN augs, I personally prefer resists to hp. Id much rather resist something than have to heal myself, HP are second to resists and I wont even touch mana augments.

edit: I have 9k~ hp and / 10200~ mana unbuffed, and my resist average is 464 (I think) not including quarm ring, I wont replace my resist augs till I get some more anguish augs.

Kamion
08-15-2005, 08:37 PM
my resist average is 464 (I think) not including quarm ring, I wont replace my resist augs till I get some more anguish augs.

I don't have resists anywhere near yours, and I cap out with buffs + AE bard songs.

Also seems even with pov most anguish aes still hit me pretty well, outside of ture's.

Matren
08-15-2005, 08:43 PM
Yeah, but Im not always grouped with the bards, that's why I picked up resists :O/.

Aldier
08-15-2005, 11:33 PM
Several of the Anguish AEs have unusual resist mods. Even when I receive a resist message, some AEs will still land on me.


Originally posted by Matren

Yeah, but Im not always grouped with the bards, that's why I picked up resists :O/.


Hence the comment about AE resist songs. With buffs and AE songs, I am able to max almost all of my resists. I need to work on them more still.

Also, mana is useless if at bind, agreed, however, me being OOM and alive is even more useless, imo. Absolutely I would take an anguish aug with hp and mana over just a mana aug but I am in a guild that is still relatively new to anguish, about 1.5-2 months now and augs are still trickling down through the ranks. We differ thats fine, and everyone plays their druid differently.

Nimchip
08-17-2005, 10:44 AM
I wasn't "forced" to get mana augs, it was merely a suggestion by the guild leader... which at the time sounded reasonable due to the low number of healers we had.

And for the record... that was my old guild, not Assent.

stratofortress
08-20-2005, 12:38 AM
I go HPs over mana also. More HP DoT AEs out there that are real pains and you dont want to heal yourself to oom status if your needed in keeping others up.

At some point I said I would switch to mana augs maybe, but never did. I guess I am HP junky.

We run CoA aug dropper randomed raids often and get anywhere from 20-30 people most times. My random luck stinks though - lol.

If you have the force to loot one of the clicky mana pool increasers, such as the doll from Hulcor, the MPG trials belt (one groupable), the Tacvi face, etc then I would say go HP augs even more.

Stephen51
08-24-2005, 05:50 AM
DON progression helps swell the mana pool too. Emoush win = 250 mana, 3% hps and some endurance.

Gusinator
08-24-2005, 09:35 AM
I wasn't "forced" to get mana augs, it was merely a suggestion by the guild leader... which at the time sounded reasonable due to the low number of healers we had.

And for the record... that was my old guild, not Assent.

Funny how people can have no ability whatsoever to read context eh Chip? For the record people it was when Nimchip was with Infinit, raiding in a public system where we passed every closed raiding guild on Eci in progression when GoD came out. When mana augments dropped, sometimes priests woud be slow to bid on them, and our raid leader would make sure priests went after them because, when GoD came out, all of our priests werent outfitted with the best augments. We never had to spend too much dkp on the augs though because other classes didnt want them. It helped, and GoD was crushed beneath our feet with much help from our Druid healers.
:wavey:

Guvwenea
09-10-2005, 10:29 AM
I'm confused I bought the first level of Chaotic potential, and my wis didn't go up. I am level 70 and my wis is capped at 385. I took off an item that gave me mana to make sure I had plenty of wis and it still stayed at 385. So what am I doing wrong?

Thanks in advance for the help
Guv

Galain
09-12-2005, 12:27 PM
Post your Magelo and we might be able to help.

Guvwenea
09-12-2005, 09:51 PM
OK when I reread what I wrote it didn't make as much sense lol, what I mean is when I remove my legs which give me wisdom, my wisdom still stays capped. I have never linked my magelo before but I'm gonna try :wiggle:

I'm updating it so its current--the mana and hp's are off just a little bit for some reason--should be 4007hps/6004mana buffless. I think it is due to the starting base stat's being off I can't remember what they should be :ange:

Thanks again

Guv

Guvwenea (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1087893)

Aldier
09-13-2005, 01:12 AM
The reason the WIS may not go down is that even without that item, all your other gear compensates and still maxes out your WIS. I am not sure 100% if that is the case, but try and calculate the wisdom from your items and see if that is the case. With Magelo, when updating, it will tell you the total WIS and then your cap.

Something to check out.

Seeker
09-13-2005, 05:39 AM
If you click on the MOD button on your magelo and then WIS, it has a total of 271/241. I believe this means you have 30 Wis over your maximum amount, so that's how much Wis you can lose before if affects your mana pool.

Galain
09-13-2005, 11:50 AM
Seeker is right. You are over your max wisdom by 30.

fourchette
09-13-2005, 12:48 PM
I've gotten into the mana vs hps discussion many times with folks in my guild or on my server. We all know how flexible druids are, so it leaves us a lot of room to play around with mana/hps. I've come to the conclussion that both are good, but the one that is BEST for YOU depends on your playing style.

Let me start out by saying that I'm 9.1k+ hps and 11.1k+ mana unbuffed. About 90% of my augs have mana on them, whether pure mana or combined with hps. But *I* always go for mana over hps, and I have the largest mana pool in my guild. Now if I look at my guild leader, also a druid, he's 9.6k+ hps and 10.3k+ mana. His philosophy is exactly the opposite of mine, and about 90% of his augs have hps on them. Hps are his primary driver.

Both of us have our reasons for going the way we have. For him, he's also our raid leader. He's sticking his neck out there often on raids, scouting around, checking things out, and sometimes even pulling. Likewise, as raid leader, he stands right up front with the tanks on pulls to keep control of the situation. And since he is the first druid in range of mobs, he's usually one of the very first people to land a debuff on a mob. Even outside of raids in normal groups, he's prone to pulling and occasionally tanking. All this equates to LOTS of aggro and lots of hits that he takes, and he dies fairly often on raids because of it.

Now look at me. I never pull, and since I'm back in the main body of the raid my debuffs usually land on a mob after a tank has aggroed it. I virtually never die on raids unless it's a complete wipe, and while I play EQ every day, I usually don't die more than twice a week outside of raids. On the other hand, I'm one of 2 main buffing druids (wouldn't want the raid leader to have to fool with that), and we often raid with 5-6 clerics (including mobs in Anguish like Jelvan), which means I'm often a primary healer for various tanks. I run oom about 10 times more often than I run out of hps.

So my guild leader gets hit, a LOT. HPs are what save him. He rarely goes oom. But I only need enough hps to live through the various AEs and a few hits, and I have plenty of hps off gear alone; mana is what I'm always running out of.

Our playing style dictates our needs.

Fourchette
70 Forest Scion
Master Artisan
Dark Bane
Saryrn

Wyndfoot
09-13-2005, 02:35 PM
Fourchette vastly overexaggerates how much I "die" on raids. :gunfight:

My philosophy is running out of mana won't kill me, running out of hps definately will. I also often when soloing will go toe to toe with mobs. The extra hps allow me to take a few extra hits and a better chance to get a snare or root off.

Guvwenea
09-14-2005, 06:36 PM
LOL

Thanks alot for the help, but I'm still confused as to why my Wis did not go up when I bought Chaotic Potential....
Shouldn't it be 390 now?

Wyndfoot
09-15-2005, 10:35 AM
looks like you have

100 base wisdom
+10 wisdom from general AA's
+4 wisdom from advanced AA's
271 wisdom from gear

gives you a total of 385 wisdom, basically you need gear with more wisdom to hit 390 now, or do another 3 levels in advance innate wisdom

Netura
09-15-2005, 10:43 AM
Don't do any levels of innate wisdom unless you have nothing left to buy ><

Eldrynn
09-15-2005, 11:59 AM
Hi Netty =)