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Woodelfous
12-05-2005, 03:37 PM
I'll be the first to admit that I have quad kited here and there.

Seriously though......nuff with the kiting. Go join normal EXP groups, learn how to efficently heal and DPS!

As of late I have been lvling up an SK hydra being that tanks are usually what lacks in the making of a group with me.

So while lvling this SK up, i see a 70 druid in LFG tool with the comment "PoFire, HoH"

I figure "what the hell, i'll give the guy a tell"

His* job was simple, snare, nuke, back up heal if needed.

His DPS parsed was 79 DPS, no heals and nothing was snared. :physics:

Netura
12-05-2005, 03:55 PM
very broad statement :p

Woodelfous
12-05-2005, 04:04 PM
Down with the quad kiters!

Nimchip
12-05-2005, 04:21 PM
Down with the quad kiters!

/cry irl

Netura
12-05-2005, 04:24 PM
Whats the difference between quad kiting, and nuke kiting, and dot kiting? Why not just say all kiting?

Netura
12-05-2005, 04:25 PM
And yes, I know that quadkiting is nuking down 4 mobs at once...to all the smartasses out there :p

Woodelfous
12-05-2005, 04:38 PM
sure, down with them too!

Nimchip
12-05-2005, 05:26 PM
sure, down with them too!

Woodelfus noooo!

Woodelfous
12-05-2005, 05:51 PM
ooooh yeahhhhhh

spanky_p
12-05-2005, 06:13 PM
Kind of harsh for those who know their rolls and do them to best of their ablilities. I Quad Kited a bit myself but I know the difference between sol'ing and grouping. On a serious note some don't and I have met some.

Tenielle
12-05-2005, 10:50 PM
Down with the quad kiters!

well since this is the unkempt druids section...

lmfb

Suva
12-06-2005, 12:10 AM
Every time you kill a tree....a druid quad kites through a grave yard....

Icyfires
12-06-2005, 10:47 AM
I've never liked kiting personally but if a bad situation arises (group healer OoM and no necro to pump) I'll kite to prevent deaths.

Funny thing is, I can't kite very well as a necro, but I can pretty decent as a druid and shammy:elfbiggri :p

Dayuna
12-06-2005, 10:50 AM
rofl, you don't know how much I wish I could turn SCS on and off to help kite in those situations ><

Woodelfous
12-06-2005, 02:26 PM
I would never date a quad kiter.

Dayuna
12-06-2005, 02:52 PM
Quad kiting > all

Aelfin
12-06-2005, 03:51 PM
/agree Dayuna

MariuzDevereux
12-06-2005, 05:14 PM
I say f'Quad Kiting. I used to do it, til i realized how horriby mana-inefficient it was :P

I used to Quad kite back before teh Vet AA's came out. After i got the 2x Exp AA, i stumbled upon what i do now as a faster/more efficient means to the same end.

Instad what i do is just DoT/Kite 2 at a time using "Toggle Between Previous 2 Targets" or whatever in the options menu. I'll snare 1, toss the top 4 magic dot's i have (Wasp Swarm, Swarming Death, ___________, and Drifting Death), and then go snare/dot another one. By the time i finish that, the first 1 is starting to lose it's DoTs. Normally 1 set of 4 dots takes off 25% Health.

Woodelfous
12-06-2005, 06:51 PM
Roaming through the ice side of RS is much better EXP than quadding in fire. If you build a good group you can get about 5-6 aa's an hour AA exp.

Tenielle
12-06-2005, 07:54 PM
...said the druid with 500 fewer aas than the quad kiters

Woodelfous
12-06-2005, 10:38 PM
My aa's are fewer because my time is spent RLing and helping others in my guild with various quests, as well as lvling up a new SK hydra :)

Honestly though, do i really need more than 900?

I have quad kited in Fire before, exp is better in RS.

Dayuna
12-06-2005, 10:59 PM
Assuming you can get a group there, aye! If not, fire is good solo exp!

Netura
12-06-2005, 11:30 PM
...said the druid with 500 fewer aas than the quad kiters
Lol. I mostly quadkite nowadays because my I can't 2box atm, and I can no longer hold aggro with wasp swarm/flame lick, and DoT/pet with a necro out of group....then FD before the mob dies so Net gets all the exp. Thats better than quadding !

Ryaath
12-07-2005, 12:14 AM
you're just bitter 'cause your sk sucks! oh yeah

Nimchip
12-07-2005, 07:56 AM
...said the druid with 500 fewer aas than the quad kiters


:rolling: :lmao:

Galain
12-07-2005, 11:19 AM
2 well geared Druids and 4 Wizards makes Fire MUCH greater exp than RS. Can pull nonstop quads that way.

Kamion
12-07-2005, 12:15 PM
While quad kiting xp in fire is good, it's not because of the way your killing the mobs - it's because that fire has a good hp to xp per mob ratio and lots of easy pulls. You can easily out XP a quad xp rate with a (able) traditional group in fire.

Woodelfous
12-07-2005, 03:48 PM
Here is a trypical group make up for RS ice side. The ise side of RS has fewer HP and don't his at hard... yet the same exp..... just more of a chance of adds.

http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1208869

http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=625310

http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1251988

http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=877306

http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=251577

Plus me.


Now here is the thing, your AE's are limited and can only do so much DPS with them. Crits are the only thing you rely on to up your DPS. I could chain pull quads from fire back when I was still time geared NP. It's the same speed then that it is now because we haven't really gotten any better AE's. However our nukes and melee gear, necro DoT's have vasty improved with anguish and DoN upper tier stuff.

There is a loop on the ice side of RS, and if you do it right you never have any less than one mob aggroed on you and you just keep tearing through and muching down every thing in this loop.

With MW, SA, and the occasional cast of perfection the cleric and druid never run OOM. Not to mention RS has good drops for your gimps and spells.

spanky_p
12-07-2005, 04:34 PM
What do you use to keep aggro in fire I used Ice debuff and Tempest Winf and snare. along with some DOT's when I have time to cast them.

Woodelfous
12-07-2005, 05:32 PM
I used to pull the mobs with ensnare, and snare each mob a few times on the way back to camp. Then just start AEing at every corner.

Nimchip
12-07-2005, 07:14 PM
What do you use to keep aggro in fire I used Ice debuff and Tempest Winf and snare. along with some DOT's when I have time to cast them.

chain cast flame lick

it is 100% resisted but it will generate super agro.

Kitsune Sama
12-07-2005, 07:56 PM
Woodelfous is just pmsing because he still hasnt gotten a ikaav tongue.

Woodelfous
12-07-2005, 08:42 PM
So true, get your ass on and help me tonight.

Woodelfous
12-12-2005, 06:38 PM
I bet the members of Hansen are quad kiters.

Netura
12-12-2005, 08:16 PM
I died quadkiting earlier today for the first time in forever :( I blame Nimchip!

Nimchip
12-12-2005, 11:36 PM
I died quadkiting earlier today for the first time in forever :( I blame Nimchip!

Should've had your trunk monkey~

Netura
12-13-2005, 01:12 AM
yup :( I didn't get mine til this evening tho.

Sildan
12-13-2005, 01:26 AM
I bet the members of Hansen are quad kiters.

Not sure why but this one really hits my funny bone.

Dayuna
12-13-2005, 03:30 AM
Wood is just jealous of Hanson's leet kiting skills... =p

Woodelfous
12-13-2005, 04:20 AM
Rick James was an ubber quad kiter.

Nimchip
12-13-2005, 04:32 PM
Rick James was an ubber quad kiter.

Which reminds me... Chappelle Season 3 is coming!

Dayuna
12-13-2005, 08:13 PM
random_player08 tells you,'are you taking all the wyverns?'
you tell random_player,'I'm Rick James b#$ch!'

Weadiienae of the Nameles
01-08-2006, 03:48 PM
Most Phrasers dont show dot DPS so if he was dotting w/ 79 dps that could possibly just be his nukes. When I group my dps lowers when i get low on mana because i switch to dots. Then when im higher on mana I nuke again.

Woodelfous
01-09-2006, 01:49 PM
Steven Seagal......also a quad kiter.

Drake09
01-11-2006, 04:32 AM
Chuck Norris lays the hands of wrath upon quad kiters. If he isn't out hex, hept, or oct kiting... he doesn't even bother to wake up.

Kamion
01-11-2006, 12:05 PM
DoTs > nukes

--

I disagree with the original post - most quad kiting-based druids I've found (that don't afk the whole time) do fine dps but suck at healing. They're the type of people that need to be told to heal.

stratofortress
01-11-2006, 01:05 PM
Quad kiting with a few other AE'ers with you at tables is really good xp, esp when you can't seem to get a group together for all the pp in Norrath. Grab a Druid and/or Wizzy or two or three that are LFG and the xp is really solid.

When I would pull in this situation, I would grab one at time with Ensnare (pre-DoN snare days), then round them all up and start casting Bonds of Tunare. I wouldn't give the signal for the group to start AE blasting until I had all 4 snared with Bonds of Tunare. The resists are high on Bonds but that is fine as it helps build agro. Spam cast Bonds of Tunare at every corner as you make the quad lap. Cast an AE nuke once or twice, but keep up the Bonds of Tunare spamming. You won't have any issues with keeping agro off of the AE'ers if you do.

But if you can get a decent group together, some of the best xp I've found none-Dreadspire is in the Nest mission 'Lair of the Blackwing.' Pop LOTD and you can make 6-7 AAs by the time you are done - 30-45 mins and a nice crystal ($$$) reward.

Woodelfous
01-11-2006, 01:26 PM
oh man, i wonder if we're going to get a quad kiting stance!

Woodelfous
07-31-2007, 04:09 AM
David Hasselhoff - Quad Kiter

Woodelfous
01-22-2008, 04:20 AM
Tom Cruse - Quad Kiter

Trevize
02-29-2008, 02:05 PM
I don't quad kite...

However, on raids I'm a druid that's focused on DPS and debuffs. I've been such since the beginning of EQ time. (Beta 1).

If things start going bad and healers start to die I'll switch and start /assist healing. But that's not my primary role. As a druid we *DO* have a choice. It sadens me that many druids do not exercise that choice. If we're fine on healers for a raid then why should I heal? I can do a good job at DPS. I used to be in an end game guild (don't have time anymore) and we had druids that geared and spent AA's on healing and ones that geared and spent AA's on DPS. It's a perfectly fine thing to do. Just know where you stand and make sure your raid leader assigns groups accordingly, and also be ready to switch roles if need be.

Druids endlessly go on and on about wanting to be duel rolled and be able to be a DPS dealer and healer given situation. How many of you actually exercise that desire on raid and stand firm on being DPS and not healing? I am one of those. The point being however if needed I do heal but I make it clear that isn't my first focus on a raid. Just like a paladin for example. No one asks paladins to heal before they off tank adds do they? When for a long time their heals were better then druids and in many cases paladin heals still are better.

Tobynn
02-29-2008, 03:07 PM
stuff that made me laugh
You do have a choice, true. You can either make a meaningful contribution to the raid with heals, or you can put out miniscule DPS while letting others drop like flies around you. Decisions, decisions...

If you are waiting until things start going bad and healers start dying before you even think about casting your own heals, you are already far too late. The raid is already wiping, but at least you got to nuke for a minute. As you said, that is your choice. Good job. I'm sure your dead groupmates also think it was the best decision.

As far as stand firm on being DPS and not healing, I can only assume you are completely out of touch with the druids role in the vast majority of end-game raid events today. I don't really care about what you used to do eons ago, although I must assume you were a raid leader at some point. That's the only way I can possibly envision the entire raid having to work around what you thought was best for you. I'm laughing again, sorry.

Oh, and heads up. No one asks paladins to heal before they off tank adds because ... wait for it ... paladins are tanks! Ding!!
Would you prefer the druids did the offtanking while the paladins sat back casting heals?

You are a funny guy. Amusing post!

Discanthir
02-29-2008, 04:22 PM
You do have a choice, true. You can either make a meaningful contribution to the raid with heals, or you can put out miniscule DPS while letting others drop like flies around you. Decisions, decisions...


Um...wow.

If healing is not needed I do dps. I actually completely dps about 40% of our raids with maybe 1-6 heals thrown on people who need them. Why would I want to heal someone for a 100% waste of mana because heals are covered instead of doing damage and healing if needed? We suck at dps compared to the other dps classes, but we still make a contribution in that area. All out on raids I parse about 1.5K dps + or -, when half-assing I still do at least 800. Even if I am healing during a raid I almost always find time to throw a dot or two on mobs. At the end of a fight I would much rather have added an extra 50K+ damage than have a full bar of mana or an empty bar from healing people who didn't need healing.

I don't know what you think druids are, but I will tell you one thing we are not- strictly healers. Whoever thinks that doesn't know the class.

Tobynn
02-29-2008, 05:28 PM
If healing is not needed I do dps.
You should.

However, Trevize clearly states that although healing is needed (enough people have already died to move the healers to the top of the hate list), he still focuses on DPS. After all, no sense keeping the tanks and the real DPS classes alive -- priority #1 is do your own tiny damage, I guess.

So, if you follow suit and refuse to heal unless the corpses are already knee-deep, then I have to wonder what you think druids are, because apparently you don't know the class.

I continue to be amazed every time I see pro-Healer comments twisted around and regurgitated as stand-around-doing-absolutely-nothing-except-waiting-for-someone-to-need-a-heal.

Individual druids don't get a bad rep for being substandard DPS, they get a bad rep from letting people die.

Wildeagle
02-29-2008, 10:32 PM
good post toby put them gimps in check lol

Aderel
03-06-2008, 05:46 PM
I sort of ponder if Toby read a different post from Trevize than I did, because my interpretation of what he said is completely different. /shrug

Kamion
04-06-2008, 12:43 AM
Found this going through old screenshots. Full quad crits used to be exciting.

From 3/27/04

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/kamion7/EQ000001_edited.jpg

malibu66
09-27-2008, 01:47 PM
Um...wow.

All out on raids I parse about 1.5K dps + or -, when half-assing I still do at least 800.

Wow is right. While I agree completely with your post that Druids should fill gaps rahter than be pigeon holed healers - what possible spells can a Druid cast to get this DPS? Maybe if you crit 3 EB's in a row in a 30 second fight and NBW and Rain running in the back. Or get a lucky 32k hit with Annihalate Summoned. For any fight lasting more than a couple minutes, I parse out in the 300's. That's with pet and Epic running.

Tuiggi
09-29-2008, 02:19 PM
Hi, my name is Tuiggi and I'm a quad-kitter.

Woodelfous
11-15-2008, 05:31 PM
Paris Hilton - Quad Kiter

Hakeashar
12-23-2008, 09:39 AM
Milli Vanilli - Quad kiting duo?
Batman and Robin - Dynamic double-duo'ing?

:deadhorse

Trevise never knew what he was talking about! I only followed him around like a lvl 20-illusioned pup 'cause he had DE illusion.

Aderel still doesn't know how to alt-# cast ;o(

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