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Madie of Wind Riders
02-04-2006, 09:19 AM
When I read this, I really didnt know if it was true or not. It looks to be a real article from CBS news. At first I thought it was just someone's blog. What do you think?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/20/tech/gamecore/main1146894_page5.shtml

Fenier
02-04-2006, 09:43 AM
I really disagree.

As he only commented on Planes of Power, I'll focus on that.

Planes of Power had several things happen which where not advertised because the game changes so drastically with that expansion.

Increased Focus on Scripted Progression Events. Really, Scripts where started in Luclin but developed alot futher with Planes of Power. Large Scripted Events (Rathe Council, Xegony, Fennin, etc) are simply more apt to have issues.

While I was not personally in lead content at the time, the only event I remember hearing alot about during that time frame, was The Rathe Council.

We also had a entirly new progression system with Character Flagging. We had zoned locked because of those flags.

Alot of this stuff I do not feel can be tested on beta servers in the system they had back then. We are talking 72 person raids of the highest end characters using new AA skills. The potional there for error is pretty large. I would not say it was intended however.

Personally, it reads alot like a player rant on Sony's forums. He cites no evidence to support his position, no screen shots (which may have been altered anyway). Nothing concerte.

While what he said may be true of SWG, I don't buy it in reguards to EQ.

Dari
02-04-2006, 11:41 AM
I seem to recall even SOE admitting that PoTime wasn't finished when they released PoP? And GoD was released with an intended level raise that didn't come with the expansion, making it almost impossible? I know you're a devout supporter of SoE Fen, but come on, even <i>you</i> have to admit there have been serious development issues. Whether they are using subscription income to fund released development I think is pure speculation, but SoE has definitely released expansions before they were ready, knowing they weren't ready.

Kamion
02-04-2006, 12:20 PM
Are EQ expansions made 100% by in-house devs? or do they hire outside help to help draw out the zones? I'm assuming it's all done in house - it's my understanding that being a EQ dev is just like any other job, you have set hours and set pay. If this is true, than the guy's argument makes 0 sense, saying that they need money to finish the last 40% of the expansion - since (I'm assuming) it costs SOE the same amount of money to keep their dev team through an expansion building as any other time.

I think the problems have more to due with how someone (SoE or a head dev) plans for there to be too much before a planned subscription date and they don't wish to push the release date back. Pushing a release date back makes people mad, putting out an imcomplete expansion makes people mad - but I think it's easier for them if they give people something since lots of people preordered etc. Also, I don't recall any majorly imcomplete expansions since GoD.

Fenier
02-04-2006, 12:27 PM
I seem to recall even SOE admitting that PoTime wasn't finished when they released PoP? And GoD was released with an intended level raise that didn't come with the expansion, making it almost impossible? I know you're a devout supporter of SoE Fen, but come on, even you have to admit there have been serious development issues. Whether they are using subscription income to fund released development I think is pure speculation, but SoE has definitely released expansions before they were ready, knowing they weren't ready.

Given a choice between not getting an expansion on time, and having a unfinished End Zone (which in all probability will require even the most cutting edge guild 3-4 weeks if not more to access), I'll take the former.

I don't work at Sony, so I can not say if the Rathe being unkillable was intended or not due to Time being incomplete, or that they even said Time was incomplete.

I do however, recongize that it is nearly impossiable to catch all program bugs prior to release without only having an expansion every 2 years or so Like Blizzard does. Honestly that release ratio is bad for the game, and while I may be alone, I don't mind a slight bit of beta testing even after release if the vast majority of stuff does work, and the stuff that does not is fixed in a decent amount of time after being found.

Issues such as with Abundant Healing do get me however, and I feel they should refund both lines and disable AH. Clearly the spell focus system needs alot of reworking and they should just admit that it is going to be much longer then they expected.

Finally, I feel their beta program has probly developed alot since Luclin and Planes of Power, and they are able to better test things.

-Fenier

Woodelfous
02-04-2006, 03:08 PM
Sony is like microsoft. Who is going to go out and buy Vista right away? No one who has half of a brain. You just have to expect that SoE will not have a "working as intended" expansion untill atleast 1 month after the release date.

Tenielle
02-05-2006, 05:31 AM
while I don't necessarily disagree with the message, the manner it's presented is less than dignified.

it sounds like an angry gamer who managed to get a job at cbs and is venting some frustration. poorly written at best.

Madie of Wind Riders
02-05-2006, 06:25 AM
I agree with you Tenielle. I feel like it is reminiscent of a EQLive flamer. That is why I was taken back that it was on a CBS news site.

Antler
02-07-2006, 09:32 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the section that this story comes from one which takes consumer contribution?



As in this isn't a real story, it's a rant by some random SOE flamer

Madie of Wind Riders
02-08-2006, 06:34 AM
You know what Antler, I went back and looked at the entire article and you are right. It is a mailbag section. Although this particular rant doesnt have the name of the poster - it is just the opinion of someone writing into "flame" SOE. Thanks for pointing that out!