View Full Forums : The Great Reptile Debate.


Fenier
02-11-2006, 07:06 PM
http://crucible.samanna.net/viewtopic.php?t=1653&start=40

Starts about half way down the page.

-Fenier

Nimchip
02-11-2006, 10:55 PM
Why they compare Reptile with a HoT is beyond me... it seems they fail to see the difference between the two. I will take a serious look at it later, but from what I've read so far it's like talking politics or religion in there (priest's board deja vu).

Kamion
02-12-2006, 10:19 AM
Reptile will do a far better job bridging CHs when nesecary than HOTs will. If reptile isn't out healing HoT at any given time, it means that the mob is doing far less damage than it takes to kill you before CH lands.

From a part-time tanks prespective, if I had it my way I'ld have reptile AND sloth 24-7. Beyond the benefits I listed on the shaman page to both of them, it makes the tanks job a lot easier - especially when trying to keep aggro on more than one mob without meleeing on both of them (ie keeping aggro through mez resists on those resistant dodh mobs.)

Fenier
02-12-2006, 10:34 AM
If reptile isn't out healing HoT at any given time, it means that the mob is doing far less damage than it takes to kill you before CH lands.


I don't think this is nessercarly true.

The only thing that would mean is the mob isn't swinging at you as fast.

Kamion
02-12-2006, 10:55 AM
I don't think this is nessercarly true.

The only thing that would mean is the mob isn't swinging at you as fast.

Well I didn't consider average hit for a reason... You know it takes 800+ dps from a mob to kill a tank between ch casts, right? If I'm tanking a mob doing that much dps and you don't reptile me, do me a favor and cast gate as your next spell :) .

Also... Mobs will do rounds quicker than once every 6 seconds. Let's say a Hot tick lands, than there's a bad round 1 second later, than 1 second after that a round kills you, than ch would have landed 1 second after that. A reptile getting 1 proc off from each round could have bridged to next ch.

Reptile mana issues?

When I'm in groups with my druid and am not the only healer, 90% of my reptile casts are done while GOM is up. If you nuke and dot at a normal pace you'll get enough GOM procs to keep reptile on the tank 100% of the time.

When I am main healing, I find it more mana efficient to keep reptile up. With the tanks in my guild, reptile will do enough for me to be able to use KR on just about every heal cast. Without reptile, KR wouldn't keep up in every situation and I'ld have to spam ancient to get the tank back up to full. Reptile will give me enough time between heal casts to cast debuffs / dots etc. In some cases reptile will do just about all the healing by itself.

Fenier
02-12-2006, 03:06 PM
http://crucible.samanna.net/viewtopic.php?t=1680

New thread link, totally derailed the old thread so was split off into its own post.

stratofortress
02-13-2006, 01:34 PM
I am in the 'keeping quiet on the greatness of SotR' camp. I use it a ton. If the tank notices it - I usually get a group or tell message like - "Wow, what is that awesome buff healing me?" If they don't notice, no biggee, my mana pool did.

On Vish, in the SK-kite-the-shadows-group, SotR is priceless. Raid ramp tank healing - again priceless. Keeping it on the MT tanking the big bad raid named - priceless.

I keep quiet on the spell's power largely because of I am afraid of the nerf bat. I don't think it is anything unbalancing, I just don't want it messed with. That shamman debate is retarded, they got Sloth and Panther - two unique and cool class spells - heaven forbid we got one truly cool unique class spell.

Netura
02-13-2006, 01:49 PM
Reptile is pretty sweet during the Sedaii event. Last night during the first phase, I kept it up on a pally, and when it dropped, I could tell the difference.

Woodelfous
02-14-2006, 12:01 PM
our spell is proc based....they should be whining about SK's instead.

dorda
02-16-2006, 02:49 PM
druid = public enemy number 1??? unconfortable role =)
Seems like that's our real unique role!

Clerics, Shammies, Wizzies, Mages, all except tanks all compare against us????

Great job putting the reality back in perspective Fenier

Woodelfous
02-16-2006, 02:53 PM
Yeah.... i can crit for 24k just like a wizzie!

dorda
02-16-2006, 03:23 PM
No . but dont they say we shouldnt nuke for more than pitifully cause we can heal .. while healers say we shouldnt be able to main heal .. i wonder what would happen if we would get a new utility spell lol

Ehheh the fun it would be if we should disappear as class .. they would tear each other apart =)

Fenier
02-16-2006, 04:13 PM
Their was a misunderstanding based off parse results on a differant topic.

In that parse the shaman pulled a train, with reptile on, because of this the swing rate was reached (as opposed to the time rate) and Reptile fired like 30 times.

The issue with this is 30 procs generates 18,000 worth of healing.

Obviously however, this in all in theory.

A level 70 Tank is not going to tank 6 mobs which hit 1k+.

6 Chimeras from Walls of Slaughter can deal over 150,000 Damage in less then 90 seconds. Even if Reptile proced for 20k worth of Healing, the tank is still dead unless they could come up with 125k additional healing.

This was the first point I was countering. Reptile in my parses priocs on average around 8 times a fight, on ocassion upto 14 or so depending on the mobs swing rate.

Even at 14 procs Reptile heals 8400 over 90 seconds, or 93.3 per second. An 14 proc reptile has the mana effectiness of 11.2

A 8 Tick Serenity beats Reptile in terms of mana effectiness and the amount healed per tick. This is totally excluding that Reptile is random, not assured - and requires the person be swung at to do anything at all.

This was the second point I was countering.

I think I did a decent job countering both points and the thread there seems to be dying down - it currently sits at 124 posts of Debate between myself, a few shaman and 1 warrior.

-Fenier

Aldier
02-17-2006, 01:00 AM
effectiness

You will have to explain what that is to me sometime.

Fenier
02-17-2006, 07:57 AM
You will have to explain what that is to me sometime.

Spelling? Probly! I suck at that.

Mana Ratio, as in - the amount healed per mana spent.

-Fenier

Aldier
02-17-2006, 02:29 PM
Spelling? Probly! I suck at that.

Mana Ratio, as in - the amount healed per mana spent.

-Fenier

Effectiveness gotcha :P