View Full Forums : PoP seems to balance the druids out a bit


HuuoDaPoDruid
09-25-2002, 05:57 AM
This is just my opinion, but the proposed PoP spells for druids seem to balance us out a bit for group rolls. And of course with the new planes, druids and rangers may play a very powerful roll for grouping in those zones.

Of course, this will be based on a few IF's.

- If the new spells are easily obtainable (common drop or purchased) and not limited to only the uber guilds who can get them and sell them.

- If the new druid spells prove useful enough for group benefit.

- If druids don't get immediately nerfed because druids seem to be too powerful.

This of course only effects the 60+ druids. The PoP expansion with druid balancing does absolutely nothing to fix the druid balancing so obviously needed from 40's-60's.

Naathan Kaine
09-25-2002, 05:59 AM
You're kidding right?

Seriena
09-25-2002, 06:05 AM
How exactly do they balance us out? They're the same spells we have now just upgraded *a little*. All the other classes are upgraded *a little* too, some more than others. So, if everyone is scaled up the same with some even more so(not druids) we are in the same spot we are in now.

Ellendilh Silvermist
09-25-2002, 06:12 AM
And of course with the new planes, druids and rangers may play a very powerful roll for grouping in those zones.How? The same way we already play a powerful role for grouping in CT maybe?

Not going to comment on the spells. You apparently got a different list than mine :)

Milesgond
09-25-2002, 06:16 AM
have you really looked at them carefully? compare our spells to what other classes are getting. druids get nerfed worse with each expansion and this time is no exception. :(

our newest hp buff has a lower AC than PotG. :o we get an upgraded strength buff. :o the new regen spell is a slight improvement at best. :o we get a new "quadding" spell which is not much more mana efficient than Fist of Karana. :o Mask of Stalker upgrade with only one more point of mana regen. :o new insect dot is hardly better than winged death. :o new nukes are about the same efficiency as moonfire. :o we have a cold based debuff. :o I can't count the number of times I've been sitting in CT and people shout "group looking for cold based debuffer!!" (sarcasm) we might be getting a new 75% heal (which we should have had before PoP) :o /sigh

I'm pretty unimpressed with PoP so far.. I just hope there are some major changes before PoP is released.


Milesgond
Heirophant

Broomhilda
09-25-2002, 06:48 AM
You also need to include Verants history of screwing us with crap. I mean just look at what Mask of the Hunter, our best and most rare Kunark spell became, useless once Luclin came out. Mask of the Stalker is indoor and outdoor, and only Verant would screw Druids with this kinda outdoor, next expansion indoor-outdoor version crap that makes your previous spell useless as an excuse for an upgrade.

They give us an upgrade to quading, when our problem is grouping. Maybe this is a hint that they prefer Druids not to group but solo/quad?

The Gimp-heal shouldnt be counted towards PoP, it was a part of priest-balancing, but i wouldnt be surprised if Verant counted it as a Druid upgrade for PoP. If it doesnt come until PoP and is looked at like a PoP upgrade just like every other class gets, then i'd be very close to quitting. I dont know if i could handle promised priest balancing that only ended up being upgrades to Clerics.

Almost everything we're receiving is just fluff. I really hope whats on test changes, because between this and our lame new PoP AA's, things look bleak right now.

Racmoor
09-25-2002, 07:43 AM
Who's your drug dealer and how much does that stuff cost?

Racmoor

HuuoDaPoDruid
09-25-2002, 08:02 AM
Dr. Radulovich and pretty cheap with the right insurance.

But you guys are right, at first the druids spells seem tempting but after I compared them to other priest classes I was like "Why bother?".

Sell off, give away, or trade off you gear. Then delete your druid or account and go on to something else.

How long has druid balancing been an issue? Over a year now? Last expansion to EQ is coming out. Expect another year at most before EQ2 comes out, and then EQ will be trashed by VI shortly after. With this kind of timeline, don't expect VI to be in any hurry to fix the balance issues.

You want immediate changes? Cancel your accounts. Money talks with VI.

Wyndfoot
09-25-2002, 09:40 AM
put the crack pipe away. these upgrades do nothing to balance us any more than where we are now.


Elder Wyndfoot
60 Hierophant

Treyna Pynecone
09-25-2002, 10:07 AM
Balance is a figment of the imagination, Verants who say we are or WILL be with these new spells... ours for thinking we would get some true balance..... who knows, maybe with the new expansion we will get some gear that helps... I know, I'm grasping at straws now, but that seems to be the only tangible option left.... grasping :(

Quelm
09-25-2002, 10:09 AM
PoP might balance druids out a bit, but I don't think it'll be our new spells that do the trick. It doesn't look like the spells going in are going to make druids more powerful relative to other classes. What could change is the desirability of druid skills (evacs, nukes, snares, damage shields, heals). If there are intense short fights, nukers may have an advantage in some Planes. Then again, maybe not. We'll see.

Drafin
09-25-2002, 09:20 PM
Why should I have to buy a fourth expansion for balance that should be there anyway?

Drafin

Treyna Pynecone
09-25-2002, 09:25 PM
/agree Drae..... balance should come in game, not in expansion... maybe tonites patch will give us the iCH... but its still only a bone