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Yrys
03-03-2006, 11:02 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/02/catholic.town.ap/index.html

Panamah
03-03-2006, 11:07 AM
Our next president said:
Gov. Jeb Bush, at the site's groundbreaking earlier this month, lauded the development as a new kind of town where faith and freedom will merge to create a community of like-minded citizens. Bush, a convert to Catholicism, did not speak specifically to the proposed restrictions.

Someone should build "Funky Town" right next door. It'd feature contraceptives, quickie abortions, lots of pick-up bars and ****ography. Probably be a favorite hang-out for the priests. :D

Arienne
03-03-2006, 11:31 AM
*laugh* wow.... this one is gonna be FUN to watch. Especially with so much of the Florida population being Jewish ex-New Yorkers :D I can't WAIT to see this one play out! :epopcorn:

Anka
03-03-2006, 12:25 PM
Someone should build "Funky Town" right next door. It'd feature contraceptives, quickie abortions, lots of pick-up bars and ****ography. Probably be a favorite hang-out for the priests.

Aren't there enough of these already?

Anka
03-03-2006, 12:28 PM
a new kind of town where faith and freedom will merge to create a community of like-minded citizens

Faith and lack of freedom surely?

Stormhaven
03-03-2006, 01:04 PM
This isn't that odd, especially in Florida. I've got a few friends who currently do or have worked for Disney in the past and they say that the Disney owned residences in and around Disney World or Disney Studios are very strictly controlled in almost the same type of manner. Supposedly it's almost surreal living there.

Panamah
03-03-2006, 01:41 PM
Aren't there enough of these already?
Yes, but not enough of them are actually named "Funky Town".

Klath
03-03-2006, 02:33 PM
Well, I talk about it
Talk about it
Talk about it
Talk about it
...

Crap, now you've gone and infected me with a song virus. Bastards!

Gunny Burlfoot
03-03-2006, 08:14 PM
I'm no Catholic, but this part sounds fine to me!

Homebuyers in Ave Maria will own their property outright.

I would love it if all the towns across this country would just give us that one option. It would be wonderful if we could have private property in the USA again.

Not sure when our right to private property was taken from us, but it's been a while since we were allowed any. (1920's?, maybe?)

Klath
03-03-2006, 08:27 PM
Someone should build "Funky Town" right next door. It'd feature contraceptives, quickie abortions, lots of pick-up bars and ****ography. Probably be a favorite hang-out for the priests.
That sounds like a great place to open up a condom delivery service. "Fresh condoms delivered in 30 minutes or less, guaranteed!"

Panamah
03-03-2006, 08:45 PM
God lord, I hope they're fresh condomns. What's the other option? Slightly used?

Arienne
03-03-2006, 08:47 PM
I would love it if all the towns across this country would just give us that one option. It would be wonderful if we could have private property in the USA again.

Not sure when our right to private property was taken from us, but it's been a while since we were allowed any. (1920's?, maybe?)Ah yes, but the catch is that they'll call eminent domain to build another church on your land. :D

Erianaiel
03-04-2006, 03:46 AM
God lord, I hope they're fresh condomns. What's the other option? Slightly used?

Those take 30 minutes max plus 10 to be delivered


*shudders* forgive me the incredibly bad joke


Eri

Aidon
03-04-2006, 12:08 PM
I'm no Catholic, but this part sounds fine to me!



I would love it if all the towns across this country would just give us that one option. It would be wonderful if we could have private property in the USA again.

Not sure when our right to private property was taken from us, but it's been a while since we were allowed any. (1920's?, maybe?)

Odd, I own my little piece of this condo building I live in. And its 2006.

Gunny Burlfoot
03-04-2006, 03:09 PM
Odd, I own my little piece of this condo building I live in. And its 2006.

Do you not pay property taxes, or some fee to an institution each year? Assuming for the moment you do, if you stopped paying them, you would learn quickly who actually owns the condo.

When I buy my clothes, I own my clothes. When I buy my computer, I own my computer. When I buy a house, I don't own my house, even if I paid 100% cash for it. Because, if I stopped paying property taxes each and every year for my house, eventually, the government would take it. If you pay property taxes, you don't own your house. The government does. You pay them a lease payment each year to keep them from taking it back.

Only if you're fortunate to be in whatever counties or cities that are left that don't charge property taxes, do you truly own the house you live in.

Anka
03-04-2006, 04:39 PM
Property taxes do not change the ownership of your property any more than VAT stops you owning your goods or income tax stops you working. It's a method of tax collection, that's all.

Just be glad that you don't live in Spain where debts can be held accountable to a property rather than a person. You can find that you've bought a house and have to the pay the last occupant's car tax, fines, and whatever else is registered to the address. Compared to that, having your property tax registered to your property is hardly controversial, is it?

Madie of Wind Riders
03-04-2006, 06:18 PM
If you pay property taxes, you don't own your house.

/boggle

That makes no sense what so ever. Like Anka stated, it is simply a way to collect taxes. That doesnt mean you dont own that property. Taxes are used to pay for the things provided to you, police protection, fire and emergency services, road repair, teacher salaries... etc.

Scirocco
03-04-2006, 07:35 PM
When I buy my clothes, I own my clothes. When I buy my computer, I own my computer. When I buy a house, I don't own my house, even if I paid 100% cash for it. Because, if I stopped paying property taxes each and every year for my house, eventually, the government would take it. If you pay property taxes, you don't own your house. The government does. You pay them a lease payment each year to keep them from taking it back.


Sorry, that's utter nonsense. If you didn't own it, you wouldn't have to pay property taxes. Paying taxes is an obligation you have to your society to pay for your government. Don't pay taxes, and you can lose some or all of your property (not just real property) to pay that obligation. Just because you own something doesn't mean you have an absolute right to maintain ownership.

By the way, by your standard you don't own your clothes or your computer, either. Try not paying your income taxes, and guess who eventually comes along and takes those, too.

Gunny Burlfoot
03-05-2006, 03:30 AM
Sorry, that's utter nonsense. If you didn't own it, you wouldn't have to pay property taxes. Paying taxes is an obligation you have to your society to pay for your government. Don't pay taxes, and you can lose some or all of your property (not just real property) to pay that obligation. Just because you own something doesn't mean you have an absolute right to maintain ownership..

First off, I fully agree paying taxes is an obligation and a duty every citizen has. If you earn income, you should pay taxes upon that income. That is fair and just, defined by the US Constitution, 16th amendment.

Now, as to ownership, there are different kinds of ownership. If you pay cash for a house, you own the deed to the house, but the deed itself is more like a controlling interest in a piece of real estate. In most of America, owning real estate is not the same as owning anything else, such as a car, computer, or a screwdriver.

Let me see if I can explain.. If I buy a car, and keep it on "my" property (or the property I am paying property tax on), I never have to pay anything to anyone relating to that car again. The car is MINE. I could sit there for 100 years with the car, and just stare at it, and as long as I didn't take it off the property, no one could charge me with anything related to the car. I have the absolute right to maintain ownership of said car, if it's paid for and never leaves my property. I can't say that about the parcel of land it's sitting on. I never, ever have a right to maintain ownership of real estate, past my most recent payment of the yearly property taxes. Therefore I do not own the real estate. Not truly.

Someone mentioned I'm paying for sewer connections, fire, police and other public service with my property taxes. What if I had a piece of property with no public services connected to it? What if it was a strip of dirt that couldn't catch fire, need police protection, sewer connections or anything else? I'd still have to pay taxes on the estimated worth of that property for all of my life.

I know I'm just restating my argument, but if you don't have a right to maintain ownership, then you never owned it to begin with. You were/are just "leasing" it from the true owners. I don't make yearly payments upon any other type of property like I do with real estate. This may appear to be semantics, or splitting hairs, but I think it's a very important distinction.

If I pay cash for anything other than "real property", or real estate, I OWN said property, and no one can take it from me, unless it is also considered an asset, which can be seized if you commit certain crimes (income tax evasion, drug dealing, child support/alimony default, etc). Assets, I believe, are in a different catagory than other types of property, such as food or clothing. If I was to commit certain crimes that will result in asset seizure, the law enforcement officials will not strip me naked, nor take my food out of the refrigerator. The property seized must meet the definition for an asset before it will be taken.


By the way, by your standard you don't own your clothes or your computer, either. Try not paying your income taxes, and guess who eventually comes along and takes those, too.

I am not sure where you equate income tax with property tax, or how this conversation jumped from property tax to income tax. I fear my point is either unclear or not being read clearly. Income tax evasion is a crime in which part of the process is having all your general assets seized if so ordered by the IRS. The consequences of income tax evasion are broad and far-reaching, but the assets and the crime are not directly linked together.

In contrast, failure to pay property tax on a piece of real estate is directly linked to that particular and distinct piece of real estate. If you don't pay your property tax on your house, the city/county/state/whoever does not come and seize your boat, car, computer, clothing, and/or screwdriver. It seizes your house.

I also acknowledge I'm probably out of my depth somewhat, as there are several real lawyers on this board, and I'm not one of them.

However, in my humble estimation, if I have to pay someone on a yearly basis to retain control of something, it's not mine, it's a SERVICE I pay for, but never own. Some examples:

I don't OWN the electricity in my home, I pay to use it. If I stop paying for it, they deprive me of the use of it, the lights stop working.

I don't OWN the cable signals in my home, I pay to use them. If I stop paying my cable bill, they deprive me of the use of it, I lose the ability to channel surf.

I don't OWN the water coming into my home, I pay to use it. If I stop paying the water bill, they deprive me of the use of it, when I turn the faucet, nothing comes out.

I don't OWN my home/parcel of land, I pay to use it. If I stop paying the property taxes, they deprive me of the use of it, they kick me out of it.

MadroneDorf
03-05-2006, 04:39 AM
I think you are right, and wrong.

You do "own" a peice of property, you can sell it, it is part of your total worth, however it is not the same as owning a computer etc. You have far more "Rights" with a peice of property then you do if you rent something from something or someplace

Re: Property tax to pay for city and county services.

Doesn't really apply in California, I know we arnt the center of the world (as much as we'd like to beleive it) but in California due to Prop 13, property tax is capped at 1% of value at purchase. Which has caused California to gather income that used to come to pay for local services through other means (higher sales tax, special district taxes etc)

Arienne
03-05-2006, 08:06 AM
/shrug

I paid school taxes against the value and weight of my car for many many years. I never felt that I didn't "own" my car because of it.

I pay county taxes against my property now. I can't imagine how devastating it would be out here with no county roads, fire service or police. Omigod I think I even pay the tax assessor's salary with my taxes! :) It's like insurance. You may not need the services specifically for yourself at any given time, but I wouldn't want my house or pasture to burn while they fought over who was gonna pay for the call.

Taxes are one of the "evils" of life in the US, but they are what funds so many necessary services. The bonus to property tax is that if it changes, you are always welcome to contest it and often you can get it reassessed. It's not instant gratification, but at least you feel that you have some recourse. Try that with your federal or state income tax!

B_Delacroix
03-06-2006, 12:42 PM
Our next president said:

I thought our next president was Hillary Clinton.

Teaenea
03-06-2006, 12:48 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/02/catholic.town.ap/index.html

I wouldn't live there, but...

Shakers, Mormon's, Amish... The idea isn't anything new in the United States.

Panamah
03-06-2006, 07:32 PM
A Catholic was driving down the street in a sweat because he had an important meeting and couldn't find a parking place.

Looking up to heaven he said, "Lord take pity on me. If you find me a parking place I will go to Mass every Sunday for the rest of me life and give up me Irish Whiskey".

Miraculously, a parking place appeared. The Catholic looked up again and said, "Never mind, I found one."