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Teaenea
03-14-2006, 09:29 AM
Going after video gaming. This time they are using the CDC to investigate....

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145659.html?q=CDC

This so reminds me of the Tipper Gore vs the Music industry crap of the 80's.

Klath
03-14-2006, 09:54 AM
Cue: "Do it for the children"

Stormhaven
03-14-2006, 10:06 AM
The problem is that rock and roll has much more deeply seated roots in the American culture than video games do. Honestly, the only people who can count video games as part of their childhood are the 70's Pongers, and you can't really compare Pong against GTA (well, I mean I guess you could have poked your eye out in Ping Pong violence or something...) While standing up and defending rock and roll makes people see you as a "rebel with a cause," and lets face it, musicians are a lot more charismatic than developers, standing up and defending video games still makes you seem like an extremist (or a nerd). Crying censorship or using the Bill of Rights will only get you so far, especially with so many people who are afraid of technology and the inherent distrust of youth.

B_Delacroix
03-14-2006, 10:08 AM
Center for Disease Control? Isn't that a stretch?

How about the Center for Take Responsibility for your Own Children.

Lets see, CAMRA. So if the government pays a bunch of boffins to find out if video games cause phsychological damage to children won't they be inclined to find out that video games cause phsychological damage to children given that is the result the employers want? I guess all you have to do is get someone to say yes once.

Aidon
03-14-2006, 10:15 AM
I'm not too worried. The constitutional groundwork is fairly well laid.

Games will not be banned.

Games will not be censored.

At the worst, states will have the grounds they desire to regulate the sale of violent games to minors. Smart states will adjust the age so that, no, a 10 year old kid on a bike can't up and buy Lethal Mortal Vice Combat Racing Extreme Bikini Bloodsport without parental permission, but a sixteen or seventeen year old can buy what he wants.

Arienne
03-14-2006, 10:22 AM
WOOHOO!!! We're gonna CURE WORLD VIOLENCE through video game censorship!!!

I mean... before the advent of video gaming... there just WAS no violence in this world.

Do it for Fyrr's children!!

Klath
03-14-2006, 10:24 AM
I'm not too worried. The constitutional groundwork is fairly well laid.

Games will not be banned.

Games will not be censored.
I'm no lawyer but wouldn't having a study that shows a relationship between violent video games and violent behavior open the door to lawsuits against video game companies? If it can happen to firearms manufacturers and tobacco companies it seems like it could happen to game companies.

Stormhaven
03-14-2006, 10:27 AM
I personally think the senators thought the CDC needed something to do other than work on boring stuff like bird flu, hemoragic fever and the plague.

Aidon
03-14-2006, 10:29 AM
I'm no lawyer but wouldn't having a study that shows a relationship between violent video games and violent behavior open the door to lawsuits against video game companies? If it can happen to firearms manufacturers and tobacco companies it seems like it could happen to game companies.

A completely seperate and disctinct issue.

But, I'd venture to guess a good attorney could find a way to put up a serious Daubert challenge to a partisen goverment sponsored finding.

MadroneDorf
03-14-2006, 10:34 AM
there goes 90 million dollars of wasted tax payers money

Fyyr Lu'Storm
03-14-2006, 12:53 PM
/smile

Cantatus
03-15-2006, 06:19 AM
This so reminds me of the Tipper Gore vs the Music industry crap of the 80's.

Where are the Frank Zappa and Dee Snyder of the Gaming Industry? :confused:

I'm not too worried. The constitutional groundwork is fairly well laid.

Games will not be banned.

Games will not be censored.

Every censor type law I've heard about has been struck down, most recently in Illinois and Utah, I believe. Gamepolitics has a good map of this. (http://www.gamepolitics.com/legislation.htm)

Sort of scary to see how many places are proposing legislation regarding this, but like music in the 80s, it's a good scapegoat. You get the soccer moms and the religious in one fell swoop. That's why Hillary is so vehement on this issue. There is no losing. No one in the videogame industry has enough power to fight this. We really need a PAC of our own. The gaming industry has gained a lot of power in recent years. It really wouldn't surprise me to see something like that form.

I personally think the senators thought the CDC needed something to do other than work on boring stuff like bird flu, hemoragic fever and the plague.

You're not seriously comparing bird flu to videogames, are you? I mean, all bird flu is going to do is make us bleed out or anuses and die. Videogames might turn our children into psychotic maniacs! Surely you can see the importance of this! :rolleyes:

B_Delacroix
03-15-2006, 07:41 AM
there goes 90 million dollars of wasted tax payers money

Tell us again why y'all voted democrat? Yea, that was a cheap shot.

Jinjre
03-15-2006, 09:36 AM
Tell us again why y'all voted democrat? Yea, that was a cheap shot.

90 million for a video game war vs. HOW many millions for a quite possibly illegal war on Iraq? Nobody dead in the video game war vs. HOW many dead in the Iraq war?

Lesser of two weasels.

Panamah
03-15-2006, 10:27 AM
Lieberman secretly fellates GBW. Seriously he is in the wrong party. He actually backed Bush in the Dubai ports thing. Clinton is another democrat trying to appear more like a Republican. The other one I'm not familiar with.

But I will say this, they're not spouting one message, like fiscal responsibility, and doing the exact opposite while having control of the both houses.

Stormhaven
03-15-2006, 10:50 AM
It's very convenient that someone who doesn't fit into your ideal of a Democrat is a Republican.

Panamah
03-15-2006, 10:53 AM
*shrug* If they vote like republicans then perhaps they should be.

Stormhaven
03-15-2006, 11:11 AM
:rolleyes:

brum15
03-15-2006, 12:54 PM
Have to agree with stormhaven. It shows that politicians are just politicians. It doesnt matter what party they are in. Trying to disassociate them from the democrat party doesnt work when clinton will most likely be the presidential nominee for the democrats. Once everyone gets over the "my party isnt like that" BS and realizes that politicians on BOTH sides dont care one whit about any of us--maybe we could do something about it.

Fyyr Lu'Storm
03-15-2006, 01:06 PM
Like what?

Voting Libertarian?

Right.

Teaenea
03-15-2006, 01:10 PM
Different, but along a similar vien...

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060315-6387.html

Rep Ed Markey (D-Mass) is asking questions about iPods causing Deafness. No legislation yet, but could it be the opening shots to a law dealing with the volume of portable music players? I wouldn't be surprised. Mass loves passing laws rather than defering to Common Sense.

brum15
03-15-2006, 01:30 PM
http://eq.forums.thedruidsgrove.org/showthread.php?t=13498

more will be popping up. The democrat and republican parties were not the first parties. And if they both insist on continuing to cater to the extremist in their ranks they definitly wont be the last. New parties more in line with the majority in the middle will appear.

Anka
03-15-2006, 01:49 PM
One reason that new parties haven't sprung up is probably the freedom the politicians have to stray from party policy. US politicians certianly have far more freedom than their counterparts in the UK, which is good. I think it takes us full circle though, back to the vagaries of free willed politicians.

Panamah
03-15-2006, 01:55 PM
Actually it is really, really difficult for anyone not towing the Republican or Democrat party line to get elected because of... money! Those guys control a lot of money and they get to decide who to give it too.

This is why I think there might be an interesting roll for My Party Too PAC and other PACs. If they had enough money they could just about be a political party of their own. Possibly with good use of the Internet they could raise enough grass roots money to really influence politics. I'd sure like to see that happen.

Erianaiel
03-15-2006, 05:57 PM
Clinton is another democrat trying to appear more like a Republican.

Well it worked for her husband, who was called 'the best republican president the democrats ever had' in newspapers here ;)


Eri

Panamah
03-15-2006, 06:19 PM
If more Republicans were like Bill Clinton, I'd vote for them more often. :D