View Full Forums : So SOE is going to distribute Vanguard?

05-05-2006, 09:48 PM
And Vanguard might even be included in SOE's All Access Subscription.

Interesting.... :)

May 5, 2006 – Carlsbad & San Diego, CA – Sigil Games Online and Sony Online Entertainment LLC (SOE), a global leader in the online games industry, today announced that Sigil is working with Microsoft Game Studios on an arrangement to acquire the rights to its highly anticipated massively multiplayer online (MMO) game, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. These efforts have resulted in a tentative agreement for Vanguard to be co-published by both Sigil Games Online and SOE. All three companies will be showing the game at the upcoming Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) as they work closely together for a successful transition. Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is scheduled to launch this winter.

“As the development process is ongoing and constantly shifting, it became clear that MGS and Sigil had varying visions and direction for the title’s development,” said Brad McQuaid, CEO of Sigil Games Online. “In the best interest of Vanguard, it was decided that we would buy back the publishing rights from Microsoft.”

As co-publisher of Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Sigil assumes greater control of marketing and PR, while maintaining responsibility for game development, community relations, media relations, customer support, and quality assurance. Under the terms of the agreement, SOE will provide distribution, marketing, hosting and back-end support -- including billing and technical support -- for the game. Additionally, SOE is tentatively planning on adding Vanguard, upon its release, to SOE’s Station Access™ subscription plan. Station Access allows players to enjoy all of SOE’s MMO titles for one low monthly price.

“We are very excited to be working with so many old friends at Sigil,” said John Smedley, president, Sony Online Entertainment. “Vanguard looks beautiful and has an incredibly rich game world. It’s the type of game that will appeal directly to SOE’s hundreds of thousands of players and should fit in perfectly with the current line-up of games available in Station Access.”

”This decision was made mutually by Sigil and Microsoft, in the best interest of the long-term goals for the title,” said Phil Spencer, General Manager at Microsoft Game Studios. “As a key Windows development partner, we will continue to work with Sigil to ensure Vanguard’s ongoing success.”

Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is the next generation of massively multiplayer online games. The journey takes place in the fantasy setting of Telon, a vast and ancient world of magic, intrigue and adventure. Facing the challenges of a war torn world, the diverse people here struggle to rebuild their once great civilizations. A fragile alliance has been struck, with the lands set upon by invading forces, the races must band together to survive.

Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is currently in a closed beta phase. The game will remain available via Fileplanet for existing beta testers during the transition to SOE. New information will be sent out to testers as the changeover occurs.

05-05-2006, 10:57 PM
Thats a definite no on the SOE all access subscription. Brad officially posted that on the forums that it WILL NOT be there. I'd give ya a link but the server is way too busy, lol.

05-05-2006, 11:59 PM
No it is on the All Access subscription. Brad said it would not be on the SOE Exchange, which is the EQ2 Trade system for real money. Read the original post. it says specifically that it is tenetively planned to be in.

05-06-2006, 03:47 AM
Yep, my understanding is that it will be on the All Access Pass also. I am not sure how to take this. On the one hand, it just saved me a bunch of money as it keeps my game subscriptions combined, on the other it means the game has SOE tech support and customer service.

05-06-2006, 07:45 AM
I find the sheer irony of the situation drastically amusing.

05-06-2006, 02:33 PM
lol, I'm laughing myself. The fanbois of Vanguard are some of the most rabid anti-SOE people out there. Overly so, IMHO. It's hilarious that Sigil is now in the same bed.

05-06-2006, 02:51 PM
Here's some interesting info. (

I just got off the phone with Brad. I IMed him to confirm the information and he gave me a call to talk to me about this change.

SOE will be co-publishing Vanguard with Sigil. Microsoft was focussed on the 360, so Sigil raised the money to buy back publishing rights. And, since Brad and Smed are old friends and SOE has the framework in place to properly co-publish Vanguard, it was a logical move. Now, because I know someone will either ask or make assumptions about this, SOE did not provide Sigil with the funds to break away from Microsoft. Sigil raised the capital themselves.

And for those of you that are concerned for whatever reason, Brad assured me that Sigil will maintain control of the IP, meaning they will control content, updates, the community, tech support, customer service, etc. SOE will be responsible marketing the game, getting the game boxes on shelves, establishing and maintaining the game's server farm, etc. Vanguard will be made available via the All Access pass, but they will not be part of the Station Exchange.

As it was related to me, SOE needed a title for next year, and with Sigil making the move from Microsoft Games, it was the perfect match. The monetary infusion from SOE also means that Sigil will have more development time to insure the quality of the game. It also means an extended beta time with one or two large final stages of beta playing host to 30-40 thousand gamers.

No worries about Sigil's relationship to Microsoft, the split was amicable. Sigil is still working closely with them to make sure that Vanguard is a premier title on the upcoming Vista OS.


Personal opinion here, I've never known Brad to be anything but genuine. So, I'm kinda excited by the news.

Seems Sigil keeps everything except marketing and distribution, including tech support and customer service.

05-06-2006, 04:50 PM
Glip just posted an Official FAQ ( regarding the buyout. Still reading it so not opinions yet.

05-06-2006, 07:30 PM
Everquest III? =P

05-08-2006, 11:59 AM
well... SoE did say the next expansion included content for levels 1-75...

Little Rhunt
05-10-2006, 11:30 AM
There must be a deal in place they are not disclosing. Why would Sony market a competing product, for a company that seems intent to take their customer base? Is SOE throwing in the towel on EQ?

05-10-2006, 12:00 PM
Why does Sony run Planetside and Star Wars Galaxies (space themed PvP centric mmorpgs)? I'd guess Sony just wants it's name on the product so it will be associated with a new up and coming MMOPRG that's probably going to do pretty well.

05-10-2006, 12:40 PM
SoE is a business. It isn't that hard to understand. Businesses make money.

Vanguard will pull some players away. Some temporarily, some permanently. Either way, isn't it better for SoE, as a business, to at least get a cut? Smart business move. Customers that leave *SoE's* game still pay *SoE* to play *another* company's game. Brilliant!

Imagine if they had got a cut from every WoW customer.

05-10-2006, 01:39 PM
Hmm... wonder if we could dig up some of the old posts on why BM split from SOE back in the day. Curious to see if he's inviting some of the old problems back into his house. If he is - I'm sure Vanguard will be 100% SOE property in a couple of years.

05-10-2006, 03:41 PM
My take (for those that care) is that EQ2 is a utter failure and SOE hopes that Vanguard will help keep people with them for the All Access thingy.

EQ2 was supposed to take over for EQ but it seems clear now that all EQ2 is competing with (and losing hands down) is WoW for those who prefer an "easy" game.

People who have stuck with EQ1 seem to be the more hardcore players who are now looking for more. They tried EQ2, WoW and a few others but they are all too easy and lose the newness for them quickly.

Will Vangard be it?

Only time will tell.


05-11-2006, 07:27 PM
Hmm... wonder if we could dig up some of the old posts on why BM split from SOE back in the day. Curious to see if he's inviting some of the old problems back into his house. If he is - I'm sure Vanguard will be 100% SOE property in a couple of years.

If I remember right, the official story was that McQuaid left because he ended doing more managing then developing. Most of what he has said about coming back is that he is going to be staying in a development role.

05-23-2006, 04:38 PM
I have to admit this was a big disappointing, in that I was hoping to move away from SOE, however “if” things go according to plan *cough Sigil will keep control over the content of the game.

05-23-2006, 06:03 PM
To be honest... after thinking on this for awhile... I'm actually kind of excited. I'll be able to ride a station pass and play EQ when i feel like it - play Vanguard when I feel like - giggle at how bad EQ2 sux when I feel like it - heck mebbe even give SWG a go.

Thats a pretty great deal to someone like me who typically subscribes to 2-3 games at a time.

05-24-2006, 02:01 AM
I gladly pay Station Access, and am glad to see Vanguard being part of the package. I play Planetside, EQ1, EQ2, and even Matrix Online every now and then. The upped rate sucks, but at least we'll be getting something for it.