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wanderinglefty
06-15-2006, 02:30 PM
I can be lfg in pok or the guild hall all day an never get a group but it seems like every time i go to a xp grind zone like vxed/nest or go to a farm zone .. I'm there like 5 min just getting my grove on an I get a tell .. want to group???

The gods must be crazy.

Wanderinglefty
70 druid
Drinal

Namira1
06-15-2006, 03:07 PM
Often happens to me like that too. I guess they figure if I can solo Vxed that I ought to be decently geared with an acceptable mana pool and adept at not getting hit! =P

Vekx
06-15-2006, 05:21 PM
I think there is just a server wide emote that goes off (that I can't see) that informs everyone that i just clicked my Vet Exp AA.

Merdarie
06-16-2006, 01:55 PM
I like when I put LFG up for raids with ***RAID*** in the comments and I get a million tells for groups. But can sit in the GH for hours LFG without a single offer.

tatankawd
06-16-2006, 09:10 PM
I found a sure-fire way, too...

I 3-box :)

Tat

Dari
06-16-2006, 10:46 PM
Why is it that you can be LFG and no responses, but you give up and go solo and BAM! 3 invites?
I don't LFG anymore. I have an SK partner and he's awesome, so if they want him they gotta take me! :iamwithst
/giggle

I hate random pickup groups anyway. They really can suck lemons.
Fen.. I still have those lemons you gave me!

Fenier
06-16-2006, 11:23 PM
heh, I remember when I gave those to you, you where like wth? They actually Have thos ein game?

was so funny.

heh

Erikochan
06-20-2006, 09:07 PM
I thought us druids had it bad, but as of late I've been playing my wizzie alt more often (L70). Or should I say 'playing the LFG game', gems, online poker, watching dr Phil's sanctimonous bullcrap (but I respect you as a person!) or other semi-dull ways to kill the boredom. My record is 10 hours straight LFG (lfg tag and lfgtool with clear specification of various stuff I like to do) without a single tell besides port requests, but I'm still considered a noob to the wiz community on that department. Will keep on trying :)

Still the best way I can think up to get a group is go to open zones and nuke some outside a group. It builds faction over time (FoT!) and it's good practical therapy :D

Fenier
06-20-2006, 09:09 PM
I am willing to bet you could have made several groups in that 10 hour span.

Erikochan
06-20-2006, 09:23 PM
I am also willing to bet that should I have logged on my cleric and put up LFG, I would have had a group within 30 minutes. This isn't about me being a slacker (I don't mind slacking for a couple of hours, it's kinda relaxing), it's a reply to the underlying message of druids having a certain level of difficulty of getting groups.

Offtopic : Which brings me to a different deal - After raids it's quite hard finding a core class to get things started (healer tank slower) .. unless you have a local clique you can count on or bot one of these needed classes. More often you can witness these bots in groups, up to the point where they are part of every day EQ life. I really wish EQ found a way to block those botplayers out (just from accessing the bots) .. a lot people have enough problems playing their main toon even though they've been playing it for yeeeears (insert dramatic background tune), and this reflects even more in how a lot of players can't bot properly. But anyway, EQ would probably flop over and die if bots would be blocked. Pretty sad if you think about it.

Fenier
06-21-2006, 07:30 AM
I am also willing to bet that should I have logged on my cleric and put up LFG, I would have had a group within 30 minutes.

No one can validate or disprove this claim. You where not a cleric, and you selected to remain looking for group. This is a poor supporting point for the following:

it's a reply to the underlying message of druids having a certain level of difficulty of getting groups.

Because you didn't qualify it with which other classes where looking for group during the same timeframe.

All classes, to a given degree have a hard time looking for group depending on the class preferances of those seeking to add more to their group. Some classes have an easier time of it then others, but Clerics seldom stack in a group, where as druids do. This is a direct advantage we have over them.

That said, and while I understand your point - the fact you where looking for group for 10 hours is really simply a reflection of your not wanting a group bad enough to form one rather then Druids have a hard time getting groups and here's my proof.

-Fenier

Netura
06-21-2006, 10:33 AM
...

wow.

Dayuna
06-21-2006, 12:25 PM
Offtopic : Which brings me to a different deal - After raids it's quite hard finding a core class to get things started (healer tank slower) .. unless you have a local clique you can count on or bot one of these needed classes.
You could try making your group for after raids by asking other players before or during your raid time.

More often you can witness these bots in groups, up to the point where they are part of every day EQ life. I really wish EQ found a way to block those botplayers out (just from accessing the bots) .. a lot people have enough problems playing their main toon even though they've been playing it for yeeeears (insert dramatic background tune), and this reflects even more in how a lot of players can't bot properly. But anyway, EQ would probably flop over and die if bots would be blocked. Pretty sad if you think about it.
Botting being banned would hardly kill EQ. 75% of the time I'm in groups there are no bots present, and rarely are those bots actually necessary. More often than not the bot is just there to fill an empty spot or get a flag. Assuming this without any basis or proof is fallacy.

tatankawd
06-21-2006, 12:46 PM
That said, and while I understand your point - the fact you where looking for group for 10 hours is really simply a reflection of your not wanting a group bad enough to form one rather then Druids have a hard time getting groups and here's my proof.

-Fenier

Well, I think it proves a larger point.... and may validate his point at the same time....

If he decided to take the initiative and form a group himself, what would be his primary tool in performing that task? That's right, the LFG tool. So since he got no bites in 10 hours, it shows one of two things: 1) Nobody else feels like forming their own groups, or he would have gotten tells from THEM, or 2) Wizzies (or whatever he was logged in as) really aren't wanted in groups.

Or possibly 3) People who were looking for group members weren't using the LFG tool to search for members. Perhaps they were using the General chat channel, zone /ooc for popular zones (WoS, etc), or private tells to /friends.

My own personal experience in the very few times I've actually looked for a group in the last year, is that the LFG tool is useless for me. You really have to use your server's General chat channel, or go to popular XP zones (or PoK) to find a group.

Tat

Erikochan
06-21-2006, 06:53 PM
I'm not trying to be a right-fighter here , let me rephrase then :

When I log my cleric on, I get snap-tells for groups. Also a lot of mediocre requests, but that's a luxury problem one has as a cleric.

When I log my wiz on, nothing happens. I can turn on LFG, I can turn on LFG tool, I can even try to construct groups with 1 lacking trinity class (healer tank slower) and nothing will happen, because that's the game mechanic. Ofcourse, I could do a kite group or some other alternative that would work .. and that'd be nice for a couple of days .... but that's not the point.

Hence this is not about me being (too) lazy or not, the point is about something else (which should already be obvious, but if not I endulge you to to find out for yourself, Fenier).

Aderel
06-23-2006, 10:18 PM
My gimp enchanter twink gets 10x tells for groups without being LFG. Yeah, them poor enchies... :eusa_booh :rolleyes:

Grenoble
06-25-2006, 11:58 AM
I thought us druids had it bad, but as of late I've been playing my wizzie alt more often (L70). but I'm still considered a noob to the wiz community on that department.

My main is a 70 wizard, and I'd like to think I'm not a noob. Wizards have serious issues regarding groups. It's been hashed out on Graffe's if you want to see opinions on what our problems are; not for me to bring up here.

But overall I think, even after server merges, LFG has gotten really tough for everyone. I have alts, and friends; I don't bother with pickups anymore (spoiled o yes!), and some of the things I've noticed have nothing to do with class:

1. Goals. (a big one). Seems no one wants to just have fun these days. In my guild, three good friends trio'd Grummus, and a bunch of us one-grouped Carprin. Two nights ago, a group of us went over on a whim and killed Klandicar, then completely tore up every dragon in the zone (and as a side bonus, got a cleric their 1.5 brain). Then we tore up Akheva to get the next brain...you get the picture.

These things aren't the best experience, but hey, its fun times with good friends, and it beats sitting in the guild hall. On the other side of that, when that same cleric needed help in Ferubi for his map pieces, 2 people logged on, said lfg, were asked to help, then complained because the experience was lame and they hadn't burned their lesson in forever.

2. Bots. I've seen guildies turned down for groups because someone insisted on playing two toons. Need a slower? Yes, sure, I'll play my shaman...but then I won't play my SK. Why hog 2 spots when there are 3 good tanks lfg?

3. Preconceptions. We know there's a lot of 70 toons who've leveled thru MMs. Or who've been ebayed. Or we know druids can't heal. Or wizards overnuke and die constantly. Or bard slow isn't as good as enchie slow. The list goes on, of preconceptions and misconceptions. People are insanely leery of pickups, and there are those who will sit on their duffs for hours trying to make the perfect group rather than try something more offkey.

WiLdOnE786
06-25-2006, 01:37 PM
I own two computers.. One i can 4 box on, the other i play just one on. When i four box the nest, i typically have one of the toons LFG on, getting exp to make my characters more efficient so i can kill bigger and better things without using LFG.
The other computer.. My least favorite out of the two, i only play this one when another person is on the good one.. Why? because i sit LFG for a while with group offers that say "want RSS? We just need you, a tank, and a slower and maybe a dps and we are good to go!"(on my cleric).
I say " Sure, once you get a tank" and I get get nothing from insults back.
But, back on the original subject.. I just start a toons lessons in the nest and thats when the guild needs a spot in a good exp zone.

Childofveeshan
07-24-2006, 06:11 AM
As a rogue as soon as I log on I get about 5 tells for groups. If i go so far as to put up lfg I get countless tells for groups in such places as WoS or MPG wich I then have to turn down. So it usaly takes me a good 10 or 15 minutes to find a group doing something I want to do:shuffle:

Starlene Antares
08-01-2006, 06:49 PM
2. Bots. I've seen guildies turned down for groups because someone insisted on playing two toons. Need a slower? Yes, sure, I'll play my shaman...but then I won't play my SK. Why hog 2 spots when there are 3 good tanks lfg?


Wow, that would tick me off to no end. I have a person in my guild who 2 boxes a 70 enchanter and cleric, and my brother who 2 boxes a 70 paladin and shaman. They are always willing to have one of their characters step out if a guildie logs on and could use the group. The only time we can't is when my brother happens to be the only tank and slower available for that group, and both a decent tank and slower are needed for the content we're facing.

Willanaome
08-02-2006, 12:49 PM
For some reason I don't always have trouble getting a group... There are times... But I mostly group with Guildies and Friends very rarely with strangers. (must be that dynamic Willa Personality -GRIN- or it could be that tushy wiggle) -wiggles her little Halfling tush-

Mebunyip
12-01-2006, 01:22 PM
Ever tried Getting a grp when there are just 4 ppl in the Lfg Tool and all they want to do is content beyond your means.
Ever tried getting a grp when you log into PoK and a /who all show's just 18 people.Of which 9 have afk up.
Ever tried getting a grp when the majority of the population in your Timezone are High end Raid Guilds.

Most of you have no idea how lucky you are.Try not to belittle those who truely struggle to get a grp in any form.

Kinyenya
12-01-2006, 02:07 PM
I see it A LOT "LFG" but guys honestly instead of sitting there lfg for 10+ hours, go grab a spot, if you are 70+ and you SHOULD already know this unless ebayed go to Polar Bears camp in Icefall or another good spot where you can single pull root, dot mobs until you put a group together. This keeps your AA exp coming in while still adding group members.

We as druids in ourselves are all around characters who should be mutli-tasking. n There should be no reason to see a druid on the LFG tool for more than 15 minutes tops. If you dont get in one, FORM ONE.:wiggle:

Ieglawen
01-13-2007, 05:38 PM
Hi all

I don't post much here but thought I'd check in again. This doesn't nessisarily apply to druids only but I have a terrible problem with pickup members or groups. It seems popular to power level up a toon to 75 but forget to get any aa's, so I end up inviting a 75 mage that nukes in the 6000's because he has 200 aa's. So the group ends up with a substandard player that drags down the xp'ing of the whole group.

If you want to LFG and get results list out how many aa's you have or your mana pool to give people an indication of your capabilities. If your mana or aa's suck, then its time to start grinding them up to a satisfactory level. Its not like we don't know how to solo.

Me, I hate to grind xp, so I log on every morning, pop LTOD and kite roots in direwind or Spiders in Icefall. Gets me 2 aa's and then I go have coffee. 60 aa's a month with minimal effort plus another 40 raiding and helping my guild mates with quests. At 500 aa's, you'll start getting lots of tells if you know jack about playing your class.
Iggy.

Chutwitt_the_Druid
01-14-2007, 06:20 AM
I have learned many years ago that if you want to group the fastest way is to make them yourself. If I want to xp on a given day I type /lfg and look at the tool and start picking and choosing. The only time I'm stuck is when there arent alot of names on or alot of the same classes lfg. I just wait a bit, maybe do something on my endless list of things to acomplish before looking again. Once i have a couple of core classes the rest is down hill. I pick them up and port them where we need to be and on average starting the xp flow in 15 to 20 mins after logging on.

The point is I try to be a little proactive. Nothing good ever comes to anyone that's sitting there waiting for it to come to them you have to get up and go get it yourself. If this holds true in RL I've found it certainly works in EQ as well. I admit at first I was a bit weary. I'm not what you'd call a leadership kinda person and at first, my group concept ability was lacking but it all got better with more pratice. You might suprise yourself. If your sitting waiting for 3 hrs lfg when you could make your own group in 20 mins youll have 2 hrs and 40 min of xp rather than nothing. Give it a try. I promise you it works and its not as hard to do as you might think and it only gets easier with time. Soon, youll have a rapport with players that youll group with day to day that will be looking for you when you log on especially if you formed a group that rocked xp a time before.

Give it a try. A little effort reaps many rewards.

Kitano
01-22-2007, 10:28 AM
I adhere to the 3/6ths rule, meaning if i can find 2 solid players (assuming im solid which is give or take :) the other 3 can be pseudo-worthless and we can still have a fun time farming or xping or missioning it somewhere

Riverwinter
01-22-2007, 06:27 PM
It seems popular to power level up a toon to 75 but forget to get any aa's, so I end up inviting a 75 mage that nukes in the 6000's because he has 200 aa's.
This is the mentality of many EQ players out there. Not that we forget the AA's, but we think someone is useless because they have less than 200 AA's.

Level's count more than AA's, that's why people level up to 70+. It is unrealistic to expect that anyone is going to sit at level 61 and grind AA's anymore. The new TSS spells balance out the BS of progression, tasks and expedtions and rune turn-ins for decent spells. Leveling up to 75, bazaar shopping for spells and runes along the way, is the smart thing to do.

So the group ends up with a substandard player that drags down the xp'ing of the whole group.
So someone who is level 75 with less than 200 AA's isn't going to be able to support you get your XP in the places you want to XP in. Why not go somewhere and kill something that you all can kill? It's not about the XP, it's about the group. Somewhere along the way, the game changed such that it's all about XP and not about the relationships you have with other people playing the game. If you have a level 75 with 50 AAs and a Level 70 with 200 AA's, the 75 wins everytime, because more people are looking for 75's to group with than 70's.

No one starts getting really uber until the 400-500 AA mark anyway.

I consider myself lucky that my friends didn't find me substandard, since when I started EQ they were all 70's with 1100+ AA's. Fortunately they were decent enough not to hold it against me. Now I have a metric butt ton of AA's and they are reaping the benefits of helping me out.

It's like the old commercial: You might think I'm little now, but I'm drinking milk, baby... and getting more uber everyday. :cool:

Scalia
01-23-2007, 04:36 PM
This is the mentality of many EQ players out there. Not that we forget the AA's, but we think someone is useless because they have less than 200 AA's.

Level's count more than AA's, that's why people level up to 70+. It is unrealistic to expect that anyone is going to sit at level 61 and grind AA's anymore. The new TSS spells balance out the BS of progression, tasks and expedtions and rune turn-ins for decent spells. Leveling up to 75, bazaar shopping for spells and runes along the way, is the smart thing to do.

Well, this may be true for some classes, notably some casters. For example, as a level 69 casual Shaman with only 55 AAs, I am quite happy to level to 75 and work on the AAs later. I can buff and DPS using the trivially acquired Rk. I 71-75 spells and I can slow with Bazaar-procured GoD slows. Without the AAs, I won't be a good healer and my DPS won't be all that great, but I don't think I will be a drag on my group at 75.

On the other hand, would you really want to have a character with 55 AAs as your group's tank? :)

Nearglaan
01-26-2007, 11:46 AM
Well, this may be true for some classes, notably some casters. For example, as a level 69 casual Shaman with only 55 AAs, I am quite happy to level to 75 and work on the AAs later. I can buff and DPS using the trivially acquired Rk. I 71-75 spells and I can slow with Bazaar-procured GoD slows. Without the AAs, I won't be a good healer and my DPS won't be all that great, but I don't think I will be a drag on my group at 75.

On the other hand, would you really want to have a character with 55 AAs as your group's tank? :)

Indeed. I have 2 tank alts, a 61 Paladin, and a 55 Warrior. Without at least the defensive AA's the Paladin struggles to hold his own in relevent content. I have just started working his AA's and it has been a struggle. I use my Ranger and Druid to help him along and it is picking up some. But it's still slow. I think for some classes, such as the Paladin, it is important for them to stop periodically and get some AA's before leveling up more. Not 500 mind you but maybe 35-50. My warrior has no AA's and for the most part it doesn't matter as I use him to tank content for my baby Druid(45) that is mostly beyond him. Will also use him to boost my Cleric up when she levels a bit more.

As for the topic, I, like others have said, rarely get in pickup groups anymore. I usually group with friends or Guildies, and occasionally our Guild consortium. They are aware of my shortcomings and don't hold it against me. Plus I'm comfortable in my many roles that I play in those groups. Sometimes, rarely, I will get some of my lower alts into pickup groups. On the extremely rare occasion that I do throw up the the LFG flag, it seems that I don't spend a great deal of time LFG. If I'm sitting in the GH with my Paladin, I get tells for groups even without the LFG flag up. But in times past on a different server I have spent a good deal of time LFG, and I almost quit the game because of it. It can be very frustrating.

Sorrian
02-02-2007, 03:44 AM
To those that say it is always faster to make a group than to sit there LFG and wait on a tell, I say ....:bs:

I no longer have a problem with this at all, because I now have friends and guildmates that are always wanting to group. But, I have spent weeks, if not months, trying to get groups to do tasks or xp. I remember one stretch of time, in particular, that was just terrible. Out of the dozens upon dozens of times I tried, I managed to get 4 or more people just twice during those dark times. Most of the time it would take over an hour to get a tank and by that time the chanter or cleric disbanded. By the time I found a replacement for them the tank left. It went like this for weeks. This was with using everything at my disposal...lfg tool, chat channels (all of them I could think of), spamming pok, spamming the guild lobby, spamming everywhere and everyone...It is not as simple as some of you are making it sound. Oh sure, just bring up the lfg window, send a half dozen tells, and poof...there is your group. It is arrogant to assume that everyone, everywhere will have the same success, forming groups, as you did.

I know this, I use to have major problems getting a group and starting my own. I haven't forgotten how tough that was. Maybe this person had the same problems I had. Maybe they have few friends. Maybe the friends they do have, don't play much. Maybe their guild doesn't have very many members. Maybe they can't get in a better one for lack of qualifications. Maybe they are newer to eq than you guys. Maybe...just maybe, they aren't in DP guilds and nobody knows who they are. There are a million reasons for why it can be tough to make your own group and only a handful that can make it easy. Try keeping that in mind before you start giving out your sage advice on what they "should have done".

It can be just as troublesome, if not more so, than sitting and waiting on a tell.

As for soloing, yes, that would solve the problem all together. However, it is quite probable that these people are either tired of soloing or don't like it in the first place.

Riverwinter
02-02-2007, 08:40 AM
We've all tried to make a group, got one going and the tank leaves cause his guildies finally came on to do something. It happens. Pick up groups can suck like that. If you toss up LFG and you're not a Tank/Cleric/Slower, you're gonna wait longer than if you proactively get the group going. Fact, not fiction.

Most people do not want the responsibility of starting a group. It's much easier to sit and hope that someone will put a group together and need a Druid. If that's your deal, then like Wanderinglefty posted originally, put up LFG and go solo something, any XP is better than no XP.

You know what the real problem is: people are in a rush to win EQ. They want to have groups in the best places to get XP, so when you ask them to do something that is not the best XP in the universe, they pass. That's why it's hard to make a group.

When I was new to LDON's, every unsuccessful pick up LDON I was on was was Hard Slaughter. They'd choose it because the XP was better and you got more points, but typically we'd wipe and people got mad. Greed made them do LDON Hard even though it might not have been within the capability of the pickup group. Validation of the premise that a person might be smart, but people are stupid.

My advice to anyone who wants to group and is willing to invest in the future is this: make a group with people lower level than you. If you are level 65 and there are only some 60's LFG, grab them and go xp with them, help them out. You won't get great XP, but any XP is better than what you'll get sitting in the Guild Hall or POK LFG. Have fun with them. Tell them to send you a tell if they want to group sometimes.

Eventually, you make a friend or three. They look for you to make a group with when they come online. Sooner than you know it, you all are are level 75 and able to XP where you want to XP. It's a "home grown" group, an investment for the future.

Sorry if I seem preachy this morning. Need coffee. Just remember that Everquest is what you make it.

Sorrian
02-02-2007, 04:11 PM
We've all tried to make a group, got one going and the tank leaves cause his guildies finally came on to do something. It happens. Pick up groups can suck like that. If you toss up LFG and you're not a Tank/Cleric/Slower, you're gonna wait longer than if you proactively get the group going. Fact, not fiction.

It is situational, as I stated before. I had fewer problems with LFG up, than I had successes putting my own groups together. It's easy to say "you won't wait as long if you make your own groups" if it is your experience that it was faster. If your experience was like mine, then it is the other way around. So, I have to disagree with that being fact. It is clearly based on your point of view.

However, you are welcome to your own point of view as long as it either, conincides with mine or you realize mine is always the correct one. I have constructed a couple diagrams to assist you in this.

1.)
everyone else ---->:assimilat <---- me

If this fails, is misunderstood, or is not applicable, see diagram 2.

2.)
me ---->:twak: <---- everyone else

You know what the real problem is: people are in a rush to win EQ. They want to have groups in the best places to get XP, so when you ask them to do something that is not the best XP in the universe, they pass. That's why it's hard to make a group.

Yup.

Erikochan
02-14-2007, 03:21 AM
There are a million reasons for why it can be tough to make your own group and only a handful that can make it easy. Try keeping that in mind before you start giving out your sage advice on what they "should have done".

Preach on brother :D


It can be just as troublesome, if not more so, than sitting and waiting on a tell.

As for soloing, yes, that would solve the problem all together. However, it is quite probable that these people are either tired of soloing or don't like it in the first place.

Not directed at Sorrian but saying in general >> Exactly ! As if soloing is *the* solution to problems getting groups! /snort. You can bend the truth all you want, but it's well-known that clerics get groups much easier than druids. There is a myriad of arguments you can put against this ; it won't diminish this unequivocal truth. With this established, what am I trying to say then? Well, here it is :

We're screwed as an unwanted class, when (and put your hand behind your ear to not miss a single word here) it comes to trying to group. GROUP. Not solo. Not kite. Not rootdot.

Some are lucky, a lot are not. I'm one of those who aren't so lucky. After raidhours the server practically dies. > DIES <. The LFGtool *is* an indicator of this, but also a / all 75 <insert class="" here=""> will give you the exact same results: Slim pickings. Friends to count on? Hah!

/ all friend
Friends online:
<void>(void)

Maybe because the majority (in my case anyway) quit the game or play a marginal amount compared to when EQ still bloomed (feel free to pick this argument apart, waste of effort imo).

I don't come with solutions. I don't ASK for solutions. What I'm doing here, is saying : it sucks. And what I expect is others to say : you're right, it does suck. And NOT : "you should ...." , because I've already explored all of the options (apart from quitting the game). To say or incline I haven't is to not give me enough credit. I'm not a TSS newly joined player (with respect to those players ofcourse) ; I've been around.</void></insert>

Riverwinter
02-15-2007, 11:51 AM
I think we've agreed that it's hard to get a group as a Druid, because most people would rather have that specialist there to maximize damage and give them more xp faster. They are dumb, but they don't know any better, cause we Druids haven't promoted our class well. But that's not the point.

The point is, while is has been the experience of many of you that it sucks to get a group as a Druid, just as many of us are telling you that in our experience, it can suck, but not if we are proactive and make a group happen.

If you've come here to say your piece and have us all agree with you, then you have to say something that we can all agree on. Otherwise, we can agree to disagree, and that's about as far as it's going to go.