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Cassea
09-20-2006, 12:46 PM
*************** NUMBERS CORRECTED ******************

Pure Live vs Chlorotrope


Correct these numbers but I have:

Pure Life (72) = 3176 for 742 mana (4.48)
Chlorotrope (68) = 2275 for 625 mana (3.64)

Assuming max 28% boost via healing AA's

Purelife = 4065
Chlorotrope = 2912

Now assuming existing focus effects (best case LOL) and lowering Purelife by the standard 5% per level over the 70 focus effect cap means that Pure Life loses 10% of your normal level 70 focus:

Example: (70 healing focus item)

20% becomes 16%
30% becomes 24%
35% becomes 28%

So if you currently have a level 70 focus of 20%/30%/35% the spells would heal:

Pure Life = 4715/5041/5203
Chlorotrope = 3494/3786/3931

So it appears that Purelife heals 32% and about 1250ish more for an extra 117ish mana. Pretty sweet if you ask me. Is it enough... not sure but it's better :)

-Cass

Yakk
09-20-2006, 01:30 PM
AFAIK, a 20% focus degrading at 10% per level for 2 levels becomes a 16% focus.

Not a 0% focus.

Aelfin
09-20-2006, 01:46 PM
fwiw, i updated my calculator just a little bit, with pure life and a cold and fire nuke and set PoR foci to 72.
i estimated rank 2 and 3 for pure life.
http://home.comcast.net/~aelfin/downloads/spellData.html

as more info comes in on new aa effects and better numbers on spells, i'll update further

btw, i believe IH foci lose 10% per level

Cassea
09-20-2006, 02:05 PM
AFAIK, a 20% focus degrading at 10% per level for 2 levels becomes a 16% focus.

Not a 0% focus.

Ok thanks... was not sure how that worked so when it degrades it degrades 10% per level so:

35% becomes 28%
30% becomes 24%
20% becomes 16%

This correct? If so I'll update the numbers.

Thanks

-Cass

puchiguso
09-20-2006, 02:13 PM
yes that is correct cassea

Alaene
09-20-2006, 05:57 PM
Anyone done the numbers to compare Pure Life and Ancient: CB?

Fenier
09-20-2006, 06:48 PM
All your data for Chlorotrope is off.

You have it listed as 2.2k and 625.

It heals from 2790 to 2810 at 691 mana. This is 4.07 and it heals 3596.8 at 28% adept.

Anicent is: 3094 at 723

This is 4.28 and it heals 3960.72 after 28% adept.

dorda
09-21-2006, 06:51 AM
*************** NUMBERS CORRECTED ******************

Pure Live vs Chlorotrope


Correct these numbers but I have:

Pure Life (72) = 3176 for 742 mana (4.48)
Chlorotrope (68) = 2275 for 625 mana (3.64)

Assuming max 28% boost via healing AA's

Purelife = 4065
Chlorotrope = 2912

Now assuming existing focus effects (best case LOL) and lowering Purelife by the standard 5% per level over the 70 focus effect cap means that Pure Life loses 10% of your normal level 70 focus:

Example: (70 healing focus item)

20% becomes 16%
30% becomes 24%
35% becomes 28%

So if you currently have a level 70 focus of 20%/30%/35% the spells would heal:

Pure Life = 4715/5041/5203
Chlorotrope = 3494/3786/3931

So it appears that Purelife heals 32% and about 1250ish more for an extra 117ish mana. Pretty sweet if you ask me. Is it enough... not sure but it's better :)

-Cass

Cassea also focii work for 1/2 value on average ...
level 70 focus of 20%/30%/35% i.e 1.1 1.15 1.175 multiplier on average (70), 1.08 1.12 1.14 (72)
Pure Life = 4390/4552/4634
Chlorotrope = 3203/3348/3421

on average .. right?

Fenier
09-21-2006, 07:48 AM
You'd take the average heal value since that is what your most likely to see. This is halving the Focus percentage.

Also, keep in mind when factoring the best heal, when your current focus begins to degrade, be it 67, 68, or 70.

Due to focus degrade, Anicent may actually be better for use then Pure Life, but I've yet to run those numbers.

oakdad
09-21-2006, 12:38 PM
Don't forget the calculate in the number of Fizzles.
If the heals are anything like the regen spell it will be about a 80% fizzle rate.
For the new heal.

Aelfin
09-21-2006, 01:57 PM
imo, pure life is more on track as a replacement to ancient chlorobon than chlorotrope.
once my alteration is back up, i will replace ancient with it.
SI will remain my regular patch heal, pure life will be what i use on a tanks.

Fenier
09-21-2006, 01:59 PM
Don't forget the calculate in the number of Fizzles.
If the heals are anything like the regen spell it will be about a 80% fizzle rate.
For the new heal.

You fizzle the new spells because your skills are not where they need to be to cast them due to the skill increase.

Our casting skills currently max at 312 iirc.

Welas
09-21-2006, 02:03 PM
They go up pretty fast. I am max Alteration & Spec alt already just from xping.

Naldiian
09-21-2006, 04:24 PM
Why are the numbers so off in this thread? Pure Life is a 12% upgrade over Chloro, minus some loss on focus for most people... Tier 3 will be a 21% upgrade, again with focus considerations, thought many people that get the tier 3 version will likely have one of the focus items that will work up to 72.

Those with ancient chloro will not even see that much upgrade - I Will take what I can get though so don't get me wrong, just pointing out that comments above about 30+% increases are wrong.

elty
09-21-2006, 05:39 PM
Chlorotrope (68) = 2275 for 625 mana (3.64)

Dead wrong, thank you.

Mellen
09-21-2006, 07:05 PM
The numbers I got (using full adept aa, and last blood lvl foci)

Chlorotrope... HPM 6.91 | HPS 1637 / 882
Ancient ... HPM 7.27 (7.48) | HPS 1803 / 971
Pure life rk 1 ... HPM 6.89 | HPS 1580 / 899
Pure life rk 2 ... HPM 6.89 | HPS 1635 / 931
Pure life rk 3 ... HPM 6.89 | HPS 1691 / 963

2nd HPM number for ancient is with bp... improved healing and mana pres foci halfed to represent avgs. First hps is not including recast for when you just want a burst, 2nd is sustained hps if you were to chain cast.

Purelife rk1 3176hp 742mana
Purelife rk2 3287hp 768mana
Purelife rk3 3399hp 794mana

Cassea
09-22-2006, 02:55 AM
Ok forgive me if the numbers were off. Since I was at work and not in the game I got the numbers from this board in the spells section:

http://eq.forums.thedruidsgrove.org/showthread.php?t=9389

It was not some attempt to screw up the numbers on purpose.

*smiles*

-Cass

RuadhTheRed
09-22-2006, 02:11 PM
It looks like focus effect degradation won't be an issue. Items are dropping/quested in TSS with L75 focus effects:

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=53282

Windfyre
01-28-2007, 05:43 AM
Does this all REALLY matter anymore?

The only time i notice a difference between the two is in crit heals.. other then that.. its a couple 100 hitpoints either way.. as if it REALLY matters on a 15k tank. We are debating really penny anty stuff here..... I dont get into mana / vs heal etc etc. It got by how it feels when you use it...

Give me a 7k quick heal and ill be impressed.. other then that.. its the newest quick heal and I use it

Fenier
01-28-2007, 12:00 PM
Aside from bumping a several month old post...

Yes, when you start doing encounters which lasts 20+ minutes, it matters.

akilah
02-03-2007, 04:24 AM
I use Pure Life Rk. II almost exclusivley, Adrenaline Surge Rk. II if a really quick heal is needed and KR for the times I am on the CHR. So far for me, PL and AS seem to give me anywhere from 8k -11k exceptional heals someaht frequently. I have not seen any of the other Druid heals come close to this, and I have them all up to the TSS Rk. II heals.

Ieglawen
02-16-2007, 09:28 PM
Which heal you use really depends on where you are in progression. For groupers and family guilds the new spells are probably your best bet. For raiding druids in ... Anguish/Demi, you probably are more cost efficient using the level 70 ancient because of focus effects. I use the Everspring Jerkin which makes using ancient MUCH more effective than Pure Life. After Demi you can start getting into healing focus items that make Pure Life better again.
My only point is if you are blindly using the new spells without considering your focus effects, you may be burning more mana than you need to. Sure its nice to see the high crits, but we need to consider endurance too.
BTW Ancient Chlorobon can crit 11k with the right gear. I think I've done 12k, but if I did its pretty rare.