OK.....I am Level 61 and was in a great Family guild for a year. While away on a business trip for a week, my wife let my 7 year old son play this character. Apparantly my son one day was wiping out a Level 20 camp in a newbie Luclin zone. I found out later, after i was thrown out, that there was a fellow guild member at level 20 who felt his camp was being stolen.
The guild tried to send my character tells, but my son cannot read them.
So while i was away they de-tagged me and threw me out. When I returned and found my guild tag gone, I asked why and they accused me of Kill Stealing. I told them it was my son and they said "too bad".
Is this fair?? I know we have to protect our passwords, but for the first offense I get kicked out?
There are Level 20 camps all over Norrath, it's not like it was 6 years ago......couldn't the players find another camp?
Does anyone think my punishment was too harsh?
My poor innocent son actually thought he was in the Level 20 group and was helping the Level 20 players.......isn't this game supposed to be about fun also?

o_0

Fun is subjective. Dispite good intentions most guilds are pretty harsh when it comes to what they view as one of their membes disrupting others. While it wasn't exactly fair to you, their position is justifable.

You may not be able to get back in to that perticular guild, but I would recommand having a newbie character for your son to play, to avoid any sort of reoccurance.

-Fenier

Unfortuantly this is a MMORG, with thousands of others playing at the same time. What your son did would be enough for many guilds to remove a char from the guild.
A 7 year old is really not old enough to be playing eq without supervision of an adult due to the fact they do not understand when they are causing grief to other players.

If you want to rejoin your guild i would suggest you apologize to the players at the camp and inform the guild your son will not play your charcater anymore.
You should make a new character for you son to play, and play with him so he can learn to interact with others better.

But my son likes playing the Level 61 since he doesn't die easy in newbie zones, if at all. A newbie character for him cannot explore Norrath like a level 61 does.

another reason why you should play with him and not on his own.

i let my friends kids create a character on my account, they controlled they keyboard, moving forwards and pressing attack, and i controlled the mouse, targeting mobs that are blue and avoiding anything red.

If he likes the 61, all the better to work with him on a new character and show him how you got there. At 7, he's got all the time in the world to explore Norrath, and there are plenty of places to bring a new toon where he won't be inadvertently interfering with others.

Too many people have probably heard the "it wasn't me, it was my little brother/little sister/son/daughter/cat", so it holds no weight anymore, even when its true.

My recommendation is that if you've become friends with people in this guild, they probably realize that you do indeed have a small child. I would appeal to them, but I also wouldn't push it if they say no.

Accidents usually can be prevented by something that we could have done, but failed to do.

Lets say you park your car on a small hill, and left it unlocked. Your son gets in it and is playing at driving just like dad. He puts it in neutral and takes the emergency brake off and the car rolls down the hill and hits another car.

Do you think that it would be wrong to hold you accountable for the damage that your car did when your son was behind the wheel?

They may have been harsh, but I know where they are coming from. It's easier just to let you go and move on. Less drama.

I'm sorry that happened to you, it sucks to be booted from your guild, but I understand why your guild removed you, and in your shoes I would respect their decision.

When I was guild leader I held each member responsible for the actions of their toon, no matter who was playing it. When someone is out there wearing your guild tag, they represent the honor of the guild. If they are camp stealing or KSing or any other thing that interferes negatively with the game play of another, they drag down the honor of the guild. For a family guild, whose survival depends on the name that the guild makes for itself and the bond of trust between members, having members who don't take that responsibility for upholding the guild's reputation seriously just isn't worth it.

EQ really isn't a kid's game, and it isn't really fair to other players to let kids play it unsupervised. It is like leaving your kid in a fancy restaurant, or a bar, or a china shop. The child won't know the rules of conduct, and other players will have to adjust their own behaviours and expectations around your kid. If you are going to leave your kid to play without an adult watching, have a friend watch them in game, so at least someone can explain the behaviour to other players, make sure your guild knows what you are doing in advance so the officers don't get their nights ruined by someone screaming at them about a member KSing their orc pawn. Or at least put up an afk tag /afk Im sorry if I cause you any grief, I am 7 years old, my mommy will be back in 15mins to check on me if I give you a problem.

If you are set on letting your kid use your character unsupervised, maybe that is something you should clear with your next guild before you join. Some guilds have no problem with that kind of thing. At the very least it is the difference between having a kid left with you without any warning and agreeing to be responsible in advance, as all guild leaderships are for the toons tagged with their name.

If you want a character for your son, power level one for your son.

If you want to be extra careful, do it on a seperate account.

You are held responsible for everything your character does in game by other players. If you trust someone else with your account, you should be held responsible for all of their actions.

SOE holds you responsible for everything done on your account. So if your son does something worthy of being banned for, having him on your account is a danger.

Next, should your 7 year old son be playing EQ without adult supervision? There are better games for this -- ToonTown online, for example.

Tejaye,

As a Guild Leader I can completely understand where the guild is coming from.

It is also completely justified as others have mentioned.

We, in DR, believe that you are responsible for your characters no matter who is playing them and stealing a camp, especially from another guild member, is not acceptable.

I would've, as Guild Leader, talked to you first but upon finding out you regularly let your son play your high-lvl character I would've probably dismissed you. He didn't grow the character--you did...therefore he really doesn't know the character and how it should be played.

Sorry friend..

Well, I don't think it was fair. Obviously, something was amiss if a 60+ character was in a newbie zone killing mobs, didn't respond to tells, etc. It's not like they didn't know you. True KS infractions should be considered when they are revelant. GL should of had a talk with you and if necessary you give an appology to the players inpacted. But really, if this is how your "family" guild treats its memebers, you are better off elsewhere.

7 is too young to be playing EQ unsupervised, sorry.

When I was 7 I didnt look to my parents to play nintendo until mario had a P wing, at which point I'd take over. Your son shouldnt need level 61 to enjoy the game either, and if anything I'd think earning some levels himself would be more rewarding.

That said, if he's not interested in EQ isnt that a good thing? I'm no parent, but I'd rather see anyone that age outside with other kids and a ball.

I agree with what everyone has stated. Besides as a parent myself, 7 yrs old is a little too young to be left alone on the computer no matter what is on. The internet can be fun or dangerous. There are alot of perverts that use the internet also.

Raine wrote:
True KS infractions should be considered when they are revelant.


I suppose it would be different if we were talking about something important like some level 70+ group coming in and robbing the mob you've been camping and killing placeholders for hours or days to get that drop you've been waiting on.

Nah, I was right, just like it would suck to have that happen to me at level 71, it would suck to have some level whatever come in and kill off my mobs when I was level 20, or even level 1.

It's always relevant when someone is ruining someone elses enjoyment of the game because they can.

I've taken offense to the penalty issued to you Tejaye. In fact... I've already written to my congressman and expect an expeditious response (I wrote "urgent" in red crayon on the envelope). I will keep you informed with his reply.

Yours truly,

Teia

Actually I think if you took the time to talk to them they might let you join again. Possibly with a probation period or something. Unless there are other 'problems' which contribute to their decision. Or unless you have acted poorly in reaction to being de-guilded. Like posting on forums about it.

Try and talk it out.

I'm pretty sure, its people like you who give druids their bad name

I would love to see this rant on the Shadowknight boards....

You are a victim of too many people using that same excuse of...


"It was not me being the a--wipe but my son or daughter or room-mate"

If your case was the truth I guess you are just caught up in the fact that so many griefers us this excuss that people can no longer believe it.

I also agree that 7 years old is too young to be playing EQ... or surfing the net for that matter without direct supervision.

The only other thing to say is this... you do not dispute that your son could have done what was suggested and if this was done and it did affect others in the game you are responsible for your sons actions and your lack of supervision.

Just like if your son was to break out someones window... sure it was an accident but in this case you would be sorry (I hope so) and not say... well he was only 7... why are you mad?

-Cass

Far from being the perfect game for a 7 year old, my 7 year old has taken a liking to Diablo (the first one) For the most part, it is simple enough for them to get the hang of it, especially compared to all the crap that EQ has to deal with.

No way I would let my daughter play EQ...too much at stake, for both the account and the child