I'm Suprised none of you mentioned this one... it may seem insignificant at first, but I personally think it's the start of something.

<a href = "http://lucy.fnord.net/spellhistory.html?id=2694&source=Test"> Beta POTG name changed to Beta Glades</a> may be the start of them trying to see what stacking issues it has. They also changed the names of a LOT of other Beta spells, such as Blessing of Aego, Khura's Focusing, and Brell's Mountainous Barrier. Seeing as how all of them are HP buff spells, It'd be safe to assume they have issues with PoTG/C. But it's nice to see they're looking into the stacking of these spells.

Circle of Seasons and it's counterpart Talisman of Epuration also had name changes implying they're getting some looking at, but what will become of that, I have no clue.

Edit- I'm dumb... =)

I just hope they do not break the entire game that is not high end raiding by breaking PoTG stacking with the Shammy spells.

Believe Focus works off Str buff to stack.. not sure on this - Shammy can better answer this then I can.

I believe it will not stack with Str or Dex also will not stack with caster Shield series. (but I could be wrong). I just get nervous with the set of spells they are making beta versions of. There have been some suggestions made to make PoTG stack with Aego and not with Focus line, which is really not a good idea.

from the discussion at fan faire, i think they are working on makeing lots of spells bounce off instead of ovewritting.

they said they can't make say potg overwrite ageo becuase then if you cast if on someone with ageo and at 500hp or so... they would loss the extra hps from ageo and die... which is a really really bad thing.

so the next best thing they said they would try was getting it so ageo doesn't overwrite potg and a bunch of similar things (like warder's protections and such)

There have been some suggestions made to make PoTG stack with Aego and not with Focus line, which is really not a good idea.

Why would that be bad? I actually believe that it would be too good to be true and won't happen, but I don't really see any downside to it.

Tal,

it would be HORRIBLE for Druids outside raids, it would make it 10* harder for a Druid to get a group,

Many times if a druid is going to play main healer, it is with a Slower. That means Shaman or Chanter.

You will really cut into the efficiency of shaman/druid groups with the nerf.

A Shaman/Druid group can currently give almost as many hps as Aego between Focus, Skin, and Health. You will see this cut down dramatically.

Now, if they could fix it where things dont overwrite but allowed someone to have 2 of the 3 "Big" spells (Focus, Aego, POTG) then it would be a huge boon.

You cast POTG, if target has Aego + Focus, it bounces and doesnt take hold.

Cleric casts Aego, if target has POTG + Focus, it bounces and doesnt take hold.

Shaman casts Focus, if target has POTG + Aego, it bounces and doesnt take hold.

Then everyone is happy. Raiding Druids, and Grouping Druids.

It takes what all of an extra 2 Seconds for people to learn you have to check buffs and you can only have 2 of the "Big 3" and if needed CLICK one off.

"MGB Aego Incoming if you have POTG & Focus, make sure you click one off"

"MGB Focus Incoming if you have Aego and POTG, make sure you click off POTG if you want it"

"MGB POTG incoming if you have AEGO and Focus, and want the Mana Regen, Click off FOCUS"

You really dont want to change the stacking problem with Druid Buff, you want to IMPROVE stacking issues.

POTG working with Focus/Group Focus is logical. Cleric Reso-line buffs never stacked with our Skins. What we sort of wanted with our petition was for Aegolism to not automatically kill Glades/Cabbage if someone, usually a caster, already got buffed with it. =\ I'd be happy if Aego didn't kill our main hp/ac buff line.

You will really cut into the efficiency of shaman/druid groups with the nerf.

Actually, even if they reduced potg/potc down to the same hp that focus gives, it would only drop the group's hp by 70 (difference between potg/c now and natureskin). Plus your group would have extra hp and mana regen which would probably be more important than max hp since there is no one in the group who can CH. It would also give groups without a shaman extra hp. Druids as the only healer in a group would also be able to give more hp than they can now.

Of course, I don't believe it would happen. It would totally change our skin line making natureskin our highest skin and we would need a group form of natureskin. It would require potc/g to have the same hp as focus or melee (especially with primal) would prefer potc/g over focus. Although it would be nice, it would be too drastic a change and I don't expect it to happen.

Now, if they could fix it where things dont overwrite but allowed someone to have 2 of the 3 "Big" spells (Focus, Aego, POTG) then it would be a huge boon.

You cast POTG, if target has Aego + Focus, it bounces and doesnt take hold.

Cleric casts Aego, if target has POTG + Focus, it bounces and doesnt take hold.

Shaman casts Focus, if target has POTG + Aego, it bounces and doesnt take hold.



Brilliant. Get this to work and you'll have every high end druid beam a smile at VI.

Firren

personally i'd rather have aego overwrite potg but not symbol.... i dont mind rebuffing myself, i just dont like having to bug people to remarzin me

Now, if they could fix it where things dont overwrite but allowed someone to have 2 of the 3 "Big" spells (Focus, Aego, POTG) then it would be a huge boon.

You cast POTG, if target has Aego + Focus, it bounces and doesnt take hold.

Cleric casts Aego, if target has POTG + Focus, it bounces and doesnt take hold.

Shaman casts Focus, if target has POTG + Aego, it bounces and doesnt take hold.

So, what about caster shielding & cleric self buff -- I assume that is the same as "focus" in that list?

Melee would tend to go for Aego + Focus.
Casters would tend to go for Aego + POTG.

I wonder if they could instead make POTG partially stack (ie, give +50 hp and +5 AC) on top of Aego.

They should just move the entire skin line including potg to it's own line because frankly, we need the upgrade.

So what if people have 450 more hp when all three priests are available to buff them? Seriously, it makes little little difference overall to the game balance. Except it beings druids a bit more in line with the other priests. People arent gonna "beat the game" any faster because they can take one more hit from rumblecrush or vindi level mobs. And in fact the hoards of druids who give up on the game all the time because they see no future in the class they dedicated years on would be a lot less inclined to quit under this system.

3 k straight heal for 400 mana 10 sec cast no 75 % cap, and potg that stacks with everything and I'd be satisfied with the balance of power among the three priest classes.

To hear a shaman complain about it would make me laugh, they are already so overpowered with their unlimited mana pools and insane awesome slow/torpor/free nukes/hard to resist epic.

Since I also play a 59 cleric I feel I have every right to say that clerics in no way need any upgrades. Though I would support the addition of convenience or fun spells. Seriously if it were up to me I'd give druids the heal and potg changes I described above, leave shamans as they currently are, and give clerics the high level eye of zomm and bind sight spells and declare the priests balanced. Druids would still have the least raw power and would still not be required for anything, but they would be wanted for their skin buffs and solid but second rate healing and nuking.