How about if they give druids a new heal that has a chance to heal for more HP. This chance is totally dependant on your ALTERATION SPEC.

If you dont spec ALTERATION, you have ZERO chance to heal for more. Then if you did spec ALTERATION, your chances to heal for more HP increase as your spec increases.

You want to heal like a cleric, then by all means play like one and specialize in alteration.

Alt Spec maxxed.

Please move this thread to appropriate forum.

Why is this not the appropriate forum?

BTW: This is a serious suggestion

i'll say this again, I DO NOT WANT TO HEAL LIKE A CLERIC =) did ya hear me that time? i dont know how many times ive screamed that, but i think people got cotton in their ears.

i'm a druid, i want to be a druid. unfortunately, because of the lack of a specialized area of druidity, the majority of the time for me that means healing =/ most druids are like me, they just want the ability to do their assigned job in an effective and efficient manner. and right now, we generally aren't able to do that.

lets just get rid of this constant misconception that druids want ch and to heal like a cleric.... because we dont =)

You might not, but some do. And I thought better heals would make us more wanted on raids?

I have a better idea... Make a cleric!

It was a suggestion a mod with right in General to move this to the Class Balance forum.

Leniency(some might say too much) has been granted to threads that morphed into class balance discussion, but this one starts off that way.

"I have a better idea... Make a cleric! "

Already have one...

I was under the impression that druids suffered a healing penalty (10% ?). Or was that removed? If it wasn't removed then I think this idea might be a cool way to counter it.

Note: My druid is only lvl 52

In theory the healing penalty may be removed in the near future. I also have a cleric as you can see =) I was being serious (not patronizing) when I said make a cleric. If you want to heal like one, it only makes sense. There is no way my druid comes close to healing people the same as my cleric does.

One other way to make druids useful in high end uber raids is if VI would tailor a few high end raids that require the skills of a druid.

This might sound stupid but what if there were a few outdoor high end raids that required the ability to use dire charm on various animals or even the guardian beasts of a few boss mobs?

Hell while they are at it they could do the same for necro's and mages too... Make raids that require a master of undead, a master of the elements, a master of the beasts, etc...

Now IMO that would be very cool.

One other way to make druids useful in high end uber raids is if VI would tailor a few high end raids that require the skills of a druid.

Or wizards could be given complete heal (CH and Manaburn!). That would cause them all to be sucked into the CH rotation, and druids and mages would be raid nukers since we'd be the best nukers left. :rolleyes:

- Chronomis

/agree chronomis

i made a cleric once. i got to lvl 6 before i was bored off my butt and deleted it to make another mule. why anyone would want to be a cleric in their current state is beyond me. they are so obviously lopsided and in need of rounding out, being stuffed into a solitary role with little variation other than counting and hitting the ch hotkey, only the insane would make one these days.

I really wish Verant would revamp the entire specialization thing. It would not be hard and since you can reset your specialty you could re-pick.

It would be nice to allow more diversity in spell effects.

Something as simple as a 10% increase in damage for someone who is maxed in Evocation or 10% increase in healing for those in alteration.

This would allow many classes to boost weak areas or specialize in what they like.

Cassea

Thats pretty much already the case - with 200 spec your spells cost 8.25% less mana than they do with 50 spec - or to out it otherwise - you can cast 9% more spells with 200 spec than with 50 spec.

Maybe it should be more though - I cannot say - but it is already quite a bonus.

Doesnt that idea kinda penaltize those specialized in evocation?

I thought the mana savings was higher than 8.25% for maxxed spec.

FyyrLuStorm

200 spec = 11% saving
50 spec = 3% saving

8/97 = 8.25%

Hence the saving from 200 spec compared to 50 spec is 8.25% - and it was the difference between main spec and others thats the topic at hand.

With SCM3 its slight more:
200 spec + SCM3 = 21% saving
50 spec + SCM3 = 13% saving
8/87 = 9.20%

"Doesnt that idea kinda penaltize those specialized in evocation?"

How so? Obviously someone who specs evoc has no interest in healing (alteration line). Just that the guy who went for alteration would heal better, the one who did evoc would burn better.

Want to heal? Spec the healing line of spells or shuddap :P

Doesnt that idea kinda penaltize those specialized in evocation?"

How so? Obviously someone who specs evoc has no interest in healing (alteration line). Just that the guy who went for alteration would heal better, the one who did evoc would burn better.

Want to heal? Spec the healing line of spells or shuddap :P

Could you explain me what the benefits in specializing in evoc would be if everyone specialized in alteration gets a 3000hp heal with a descent ratio, and still keeps the same nukes(granted with no spec bonus on manacost) and the ones specialized in evocs gets a small spec bonus, but get to keep the poor heals we have now?

Now we could nerf all druid nukes to 400 damage ones, and then only give a big damage bonus if you specialized in evocation, to even it out - but in that case clerics would be both better healers and nukers than alteration spec'd druids.

Much better idea and one I've grown more and more in love with. In retrospect it probably should have gone into the petition:

Allow druids to double spec as a class AA skill. We're the "jack of trades", let us max spec in at least two circles. We're the masters of versatility remember? Lets us spec in versatility ;)

I would love to be spec'd in Evoc and Alt. I'm an evoc druid myself, but I've been sorely tempted to switch to alt at times...but then I get into a nice group where I'm truly only a back-up healer and I can let my nuking go to town and I love my evoc spec then (nothing like casting wildfire and barely seeing your manabar move).