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Booo.

Meh, I'm going to hate this election. I'm going to have to vote libertarian...and I can feel myself losing braincells at the mere prospect.

Unless the GOP comes up with someone comepletely new, I'm going to be scared of whoever they put up (Brownbeck needs to just...go away, right now, never to be heard from again), and the Dems are going to try their damndest to lose the election by putting up either a complete newb (Obama) or that evil evil woman Bill married.

What do you think the chances are for her winning, just for all the people to say "We finally had a women president?".
I saw a book the other day, it was about this election.. They had put up that the only person that had a chance to beat a women, is another women.. The woman that the book put up to run? Condoleeza Rice.

Well, she's popular amongst Democrats but I doubt she'd poll well for Republicans. You can't win without cross over from the other party and I'm sure the Republicans can probably excavate all the stuff from her years as first lady and scare themselves with it.

What do you think the chances are for her winning, just for all the people to say "We finally had a women president?".
I saw a book the other day, it was about this election.. They had put up that the only person that had a chance to beat a women, is another women.. The woman that the book put up to run? Condoleeza Rice.

If a woman was so sure to win, both parties would have put one up years ago.

American's were probably willing to vote for a woman back in the '80's after was saw Thatcher.

I don't think the GOP will put up Condoleeza Rice. Their own party will have a bit of a conniption at the notion of a black woman, she's far too conservative and I think the GOP realizes that a far right vs far left battle, these days, will result in the Dems winning.

Oh, and if I were black you could not pay me enough money to be the first serious black candidate for president, let alone the first black president. We still have enough rednecks in this nation that you'd be wearing a huge bullseye for James Earl Ray's philosophical brother Bobby Jo to come gunnin for you.

Well, she's popular amongst Democrats but I doubt she'd poll well for Republicans. You can't win without cross over from the other party and I'm sure the Republicans can probably excavate all the stuff from her years as first lady and scare themselves with it.

I do not understand why all that (in my opinion irrational) hatred is directed at her, nor do I particularly care to be honest.
I do however remember her being described as one of the worst possible candidates the Democrats could put forward. Not because she stands no chance at winning the presidential elections but because she is almost garantueed to unite conservative america against her. Right now the Republican party is as split internally (or could be made to be so) as the Democrats have been the previous elections, and the last thing the Democrats need to win the next election is to give the Republicans a reason to unite again.


Eri

I do not understand why all that (in my opinion irrational) hatred is directed at herNeither do I.because she is almost garantueed to unite conservative america against herRight now, conservative America is powerless anyway. All she has to do is appease them somewhat for the first couple of years to prevent a backlash.

Condoleeza Rice.Rice is a joke. She's not even good at her current job, which requires her to do just about nothing. Sex and skin color shouldn't be the only criteria for selecting a candidate.

I do not understand why all that (in my opinion irrational) hatred is directed at her, nor do I particularly care to be honest.
I do however remember her being described as one of the worst possible candidates the Democrats could put forward. Not because she stands no chance at winning the presidential elections but because she is almost garantueed to unite conservative america against her. Right now the Republican party is as split internally (or could be made to be so) as the Democrats have been the previous elections, and the last thing the Democrats need to win the next election is to give the Republicans a reason to unite again.


Eri

I just read an interesting piece on why people dislike Hillary so much...I forget where though.

It essentially boiled down to the fact that she's a political whore. Feminists dislike her because she openly decided to ride to promimence on the coattails of a man (her husband). Conservatives dislike her because she tried to be gung ho and front and center with a political agenda as the First Lady, and they view her as a far left liberal. Many liberals are starting to dislike her because she's shifted towards the middle as she has sought to further her political career.

Ultimately, though, the reason is that she's been the formost woman in American Politics since Bill became president...and we've watch her single minded push for political power. From her name to her stance on political issues...everything about her shifts with the political wind...but she isn't nearly as good looking, charming, or personable as her husband, who could change his political opinion at whim...and then make you believe that is what you always thought he should have done in the first place.

She's not lovable. She puts off this very late 80's "women, in order to succeed, have to embrace a Gordon Gecko outlook" (I've noticed that alot in baby boomer female attorney's...its like they took their que from bad movie's that suggest as a woman they can only succeed if they are a complete and utter bitch who needs to show the 'good ole boys' up. My generation of female attorneys seem to have turned out just fine...but boy oh boy, that half generation between my parents and myself (the 40's-50 years olds now) produced some real bitchy women).

Gender might help her (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/20/AR2007012001612.html?nav=rss_email/components)

You deal with the "good old boys" and see how bitchy it makes you!

Bitchy is as bitchy does.

I think I said on another post that Hillary and Condi might both be suffering from being too political. They had to play the system too well to get where as far as they have, especially Hillary. Some of things they needed to make them into candidates will work against them once they become candidates.

It's tough to be a woman in politics.

Its tough to be anyone in politics. There's a reason why we haven't had a Senator as President in decades...you have a national record which can be used against you. Governors deal with state issues.

You deal with the "good old boys" and see how bitchy it makes you!

Sounds like you are implying that boys have not had to deal with 'good ol boys', for as long as there were good ol boys.

If that is your thought, or feeling, it is wrong.

I personally dislike Hillary because she's a promotionalist. The only causes she takes on are those guaranteed to generate publicity for her. I don't think a single thing she's said/supported/condemned while working as a Senator has been any of her personal beliefs at all, every single step she makes is carefully choreographed and it's obvious when she speaks about the issue in question that she has no deep understanding of the problem other than what was handed to her in a paper pamphlet (case an point - Video game violence).

If Mrs. Clinton got into any real position of real power, she would piss everyone off, every party, and probably a big hunk of the people who voted for her. If Clinton gets elected by the Democratic Party, and the people elect her because of her Democratic ways, I think they will be very surprised when she starts writing bills which are more conservative than anything Rice could have come up with.

Coming from a New Yorker, Having Hilary as a senator has netted us pretty much nothing in the way of school improvements, cost of living decreases, traffic improvement. However we're glad she's taken an interest in things like video game violence where she can promote her immense knowledge of the subject. Honestly, other than this current presidential race bid, I haven' theard much of Hillary in the past few days.

Hillary as president?.oO:bs: :eek: :gunfight: :frocket: :twak: :box: :assimilat :throne: :duel2: :axe:

pure chaos...

Hmmm... I'll have to disagree with you on her supposed pandering. She certainly isn't pandering to Democrats with her views on Iraq. She doesn't want to necessarily pull out and most of the Democrats would perfer that now. Most of the other Dem candidates are all promising that they'll pull us out of Iraq in 2008, she isn't. However, although she's got a title of "liberal democrat" with the conservatives she really is almost a Republican in a blue suit. She's quite conservative.

As to your example of video game violence it is kind of atypical for a democrat. Which is part of what I think a lot of Dems find off-putting. That's the sort of "decency" thing Republicans like Frist or Santorum would be promoting. Except violence isn't their issue, sex is or naughty words.

Clinton didn't get upset about just violence, she got upset with "Hot Coffee" which was a "sexploit" hidden in GTA.