Weird... the parents acknowledge it. Why wouldn't they do something about it?

http://healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=605176

And these are only the parents who know and admit they're storing guns unsafely. The real figure is probably closer to 99%, which is yet another* reason to ban them altogether.

Then again, maybe it's just natural selection at work.

<font size=0>*Clarification for libertarians: one of MANY reasons to do so.</font>

Even in small print, the new Tudamorphian law counts.

Discussion is over, Tudy loses.

From the article:
<i>But safe storage -- defined as guns being unloaded, locked in a cabinet or with a gun lock, with ammunition stored separately -- apparently isn't a widespread practice, the new research suggests.</i>

My guess would be that they failed on the 'ammo separated from the gun' bit. Many of the people I knew would lock their guns up, but they would keep the ammo in the same location. If the gun was locked with just a gun lock however, most of the people I knew would keep the ammo in a different location or locked up with their other range supplies.

I don't know that many (don't know any, actually) people who would keep the gun loaded at all times - even in a home without kids and even if they had purchased it for security. If the gun was a clip loader, keeping it loaded was just bad for the gun (the spring could wear out). If the gun was a revolver, they generally just kept a quick loader next to the gun.

My guess would be that they failed on the 'ammo separated from the gun' bit. Many of the people I knew would lock their guns up, but they would keep the ammo in the same location.Actually, half the survey respondents didn't lock their guns, while most of them kept the bullets separate, especially for long guns. And the parents who were raised in gun-owning families were far more likely to be reckless than those who weren't.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/119/6/e1271

Page e1276.

I don't know that many (don't know any, actually) people who would keep the gun loaded at all times - even in a home without kids and even if they had purchased it for security. If the gun was a clip loader, keeping it loaded was just bad for the gun (the spring could wear out). If the gun was a revolver, they generally just kept a quick loader next to the gun.

Not me. My guns are trigger locked, loaded and ready at a moment's notice. The only thing I do differently is I do not keep a round chambered in the barrel while the trigger lock is on. That's just common sense. You could actuate the trigger while applying the trigger lock.

The combination locks are even on Amazon now, so there isn't any reason not to get them and use them.
http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-Combination-Gun-94DSPT/dp/B00004SQM9

You may say that it would take more time to chamber a round in a home defense situation with the way I have my guns set up.

I would counter that if I am so pressed for time I don't even have time to cycle the slide, then I'm probably dead anyway.

I am appalled.... this is horrifying..... parents really should store their children much safer. Children are generally fairly small especially at younger ages, so, they should easily fit into most overhead storage compartments

Examining firearm decision-makers only (n
6), the types of guns owned were significantly associated with the gun storage practices of families (Table 3). Families who owned only long guns were more likely than families who owned only handguns or a combination of gun types to store their gun in places other than locked cabinets. The use of gun locks on all of the guns in the home was highest among handgun-only owners, followed by long gun–only owners, and then combination gun owners. In contrast, the practice of storing
bullets and shells separately from guns was highest among long-gun owners, followed by combination gun owners. Handgun-only owners were the most likely parents to store guns and bullets together. Families who owned both long guns and handguns were the most likely to have been raised in a family with guns, followed by long gun–only owners. Families who were combination
gun owners were also more likely to report that they owned a gun for protection. Handgun-only owners were the most likely to believe that it was very important to use gun locks with guns. When these same relationships were examined for all of the respondents who reported having a firearm in the home (regardless of whether they were decision-makers), the relationships
did not change.

For better or for worse, I suppose I've started to associate just "Guns" as handguns and am used to "long guns" (who the hell says "Long guns"?) being called by their name like rifle or shotgun, or what not.

That being said, the above quote from the PDF pretty much goes along with what I said, most handgun users keep the gun and bullets together. Rifle or shotgun users generally have an ammo kit and a gun cabinet/safe so they're just generally automatically separated that way. Meanwhile most people just toss a few bullets into a handgun case or keep a box of bullets nearby.

Gunny, I'm curious, do you use a revolver or a clip loader? A revolver I know you really just need to go in and clean the gun every so often so the bullets don't adversely react while staying in the chamber too long, however with clips I have always heard that you run the risk of the spring losing tension if you leave it coiled in the "full" position too long (thereby increasing the risk of jamming).

The more alarming statistic is that half of guns are just left lying around, unlocked, with curious little kids running around.

That should be immediate grounds for revocation of a breeding license (though sometimes that happens automatically (http://thedruidsgrove.org/eq/forums/showthread.php?t=15860)).

My guns are locked up in a safe.

And are always locked up in a safe, unless I am using them.

Go f*** yourselves.

And my girls knew the gun rules when they learned to talk.

If you see a gun.
Don't touch it.
Tell a grown up.

They knew that before they could tie their shoes.

And my girls knew the gun rules when they learned to talk.And kids always follow the rules parents set out for them, and are never curious.

Just because yours didn't have a gun accident doesn't mean that it works that way universally. Just as you lock up your guns, but half the survey respondents admitted they don't.

My guns are locked up in a safe.

And are always locked up in a safe, unless I am using them.

Go f*** yourselves.

And my girls knew the gun rules when they learned to talk.

If you see a gun.
Don't touch it.
Tell a grown up.

They knew that before they could tie their shoes.

Yea, so had they shot themselves at age 3, they would've only had themselves to blame!

(Kindly note the sarcasm)

Ban ovens in houses with young children. You can tell them not to touch the hot oven but kids never listen so it needs to be banned for their protection.

Life sucks sometimes. You must learn why you can and can't do things. It isn't always just because "I said so". Keep the guns locked up and safed. That seems reasonable to me.

Leaving them laying around is unresponsible, and that is a different matter all together. I never advice punishing the majority because a minority is irresponsible.

I never advice punishing the majority because a minority is irresponsible.

That wasn't the case here though, was it? (Ref. topic)

More kids drown in buckets of water than by accidental gun shootings each year.

Cigarettes kill 20 times more people per year than criminals do.

SUVs cause robberies.

And don't forget cell phones.

Or water.

Or small storm drains.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/07/national/main2896850.shtml
Man Drowns In Bid To Retrieve Cell Phone
(AP) A 41-year-old man drowned after getting stuck in a storm sewer trying to retrieve a cell phone, police said.

The man weighed more than 300 pounds and was wedged with his head and shoulders underwater in a vertical storm drain in front of his home Wednesday, said police Lt. Tim Eirich.

The man's identity was not released pending notification of relatives.

Neighbor Chris Van Erem said he saw the man kneeling over the sewer before he fell in. Police said the man pulled the iron gate off trying to get the cell phone.

Then, a child from the neighborhood ran toward Van Erem frantically. Van Erem said he then saw the man's feet sticking up out of the grate.

"I ran over and tried to pull him on out," Van Erem said. "Absolutely helpless was the feeling. I couldn't budge him."

Van Erem had the child call emergency services as he continued to try to free the man.

"I could see his head and his shoulders were completely under the water," he said. "His legs weren't moving. He was completely unresponsive."

Van Erem said it ultimately took six firefighters to pull the man from the sewer. Sheboygan County Coroner David Leffin ruled the man's death as an accidental drowning.

The man's cell phone was later found at the bottom of the sewer, police said.

I'm glad they continued to look for his cell phone

Definite Darwin award candidate.

More kids drown in buckets of water than by accidental gun shootings each year.

So?

Most Guns in Homes With Young Kids Not Stored Safely
Young kids definitely need to be stored safely. Although primarily marketed towards infants and teens, I'm hoping that these products (http://babycage.net/) will eventually be made available for kids up to age 25 or so.

LOL! You're a nut. A complete nut. BabyCage.net. :)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/10/wisc.shooting.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


Families cause murder.