http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6282348.stm

A 70-year-old US woman has been left bruised and bloody after an unexpected clash with police who came to caution her for not watering her lawn.

Here's the tidied up American version:
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1444771

Judging by the additional information quoted by BBC, I'd say they are likely giving the more acurate version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH6AYVn2yw4

There should be a height requirement for police officers.


Sooo many short men get into the field to compensate.

And better psych tests, too.

Here's the tidied up American version:
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1444771

Judging by the additional information quoted by BBC, I'd say they are likely giving the more acurate version.

Well, I don't immediately trust any media outlet at first blush, but the US version included this quote:

After being arrested, [Mrs.] Perry is now scared of the police. She says, "Don't ever say no when the police tell you do to something. You better do what they tell you no matter what, even if you don't have anybody to help you. You've got to do what they tell you or they will hurt you."

Which is definitely true. Unless the issue is more important than your life. Some issues are, most aren't. You have to pick your fights carefully.

You do not have to comply with authorities if they are breaking the law.

The hard part about that, is that they are probably in the process of breaking your nose or your arm while they are breaking the law.

In California, we have the Right, the Duty to arrest, Citizen's Arrest, police officers if they are breaking the law.

Does she not have the right to remain silent?

/smile

She does not have a right to an attorney.

Wow, beating a 70 year old woman.... I hope, if that is what happened, that that cops testicles fall off.

Does she not have the right to remain silent?No, she was probably required to identify herself to any police officer when asked. In California you are.

The woman's story sounds a little suspicious, as though she were gearing up for a lawsuit.

No, she was probably required to identify herself to any police officer when asked. In California you are.

The woman's story sounds a little suspicious, as though she were gearing up for a lawsuit.

So, you think it is reasonable to give police the authority to arrest 70 year old women for not watering their lawns?

You want force to be used for that? And you want to pay for that level of force? You authorize and condone that?

I don't care if she or her motives are suspicious. Unless you are arguing that by not watering her lawn she was somehow laying a trap(which you have argued in the past with that car thread ways back) for the cop.

So, you think it is reasonable to give police the authority to arrest 70 year old women for not watering their lawns?The force would be necessary because she failed to identify herself, not because she failed to water her lawn.

Utah Code section 77-7-15 (http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE77/htm/77_09016.htm)I don't care if she or her motives are suspicious.You don't care if she made the whole thing up just to lay the foundation for a lawsuit? If the cop was telling the truth, and she just slipped and fell?

The force would be necessary because she failed to identify herself, not because she failed to water her lawn.

Utah Code section 77-7-15 (http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE77/htm/77_09016.htm)You don't care if she made the whole thing up just to lay the foundation for a lawsuit? If the cop was telling the truth, and she just slipped and fell?

Um, you don't know how many stairs there are in the back of a police cruiser do you?

You would be surprised, I'm sure.

I have enough family members and ex family members in law enforcement to know how many there are.

It is like that fag cop in that skateboarding video I post up above. Lawful citizens escaping illegal cop behavior, thus resisting arrest. Putting a chokehold on a 13 year old girl, and threatening to mace her and more. I would resist too.

Why would you think the cop is telling the truth, anyways? Mark Fuhrermann didn't. Borked an open and shut freaking murder case because of it too.

Or those cops in LA during that May Day assembly. Freaking clubbing a woman newsreporter for videotaping their fascism. Guess it is ok because she was a greaser. Zoot Zoot riots, and all.

Um, you don't know how many stairs there are in the back of a police cruiser do you?Since when do you need stairs to slip and fall?Why would you think the cop is telling the truth, anyways?Because sometimes they do.

What makes you automatically assume that some woman is telling the truth? (Because she's telling you something you want to hear?)

When a cop says a child molester that raped and ate the children he killed "fell down some stairs", we don't have a problem with that.

When a cop says a 70 year old woman that didn't water her lawn, attempted to go back inside her house, "fell down some stairs", we have a problem with that.

Why?

Because the child molester deserves far worse than being beaten for their offenses. In the public's mind, legal or not, that dude deserves death in the worst possible way. Anything less than that happens to him, he should feel lucky.

The grandmother who didn't water her lawn on schedule does not deserve an injury. Or a ticket. If her yard gets so dry that it spontaneously bursts into flames, then maybe some tickets are in order.

Then again, that's what people think. The way the world actually works is:

If you don't do exactly what the police say, no matter if you are a 70 year old grandmother, or a 30 year old molester, you get your ass handcuffed, maybe tasered, depends on how physically threatening the police officer can reasonably say you were.
If you make the police run after you, they are bringing an ass-whuppin' with them. There is a "run penalty". Believe it.
If you shoot a police officer, your life is forfeit unless the police decide to be merciful.
If you even aim a gun at a police officer, your life is forfeit. It happens enough to get called "suicide by cop".

Cops have an incredibly difficult job, with immense responsiblities that must be discharged precisely with enough force to keep public order, without the discharge of those duties causing public unrest themselves.

If an officer screws up and oversteps his authority, there should be no leeway, no grace period, no wiggle room. Officers must know that they, above all others, are called to lead by example, not by force or fear.

On the other hand, the police officer that does his job correctly should be commended for his efforts far more than he is.

I know that in most situations, it would be better to go quietly and then protest later, than attempt to protest while being wrestled to the ground by the officer. They are trained to do this, and they do it day after day. Most citizens do not, and should not attempt to resist unless the issue is of prime importance, usually involving life and death issues that the officer might be unaware of. Even then, there is a 99% chance the officer will still come out on top, and you in the police car or coroner's meat wagon.

Like I said, make sure to pick your fights carefully.

Why?



Why?

For one, he should not have been there in the first place.

For two, he should not have beat the old woman up.

PS, I will use the law of self defense against a cop, if the opportunity presents itself.

A cop is not above the law.

If he is battering another, illegally, it is lawful to shoot him or her.

Of course I expect to die in the process. But as a matter of principle, I would be in the right.

Everyone dies.

Since when do you need stairs to slip and fall?Because sometimes they do.

What makes you automatically assume that some woman is telling the truth? (Because she's telling you something you want to hear?)

Because, from virtually every police officer I've spoken with (and its been a few...alot of police officers served in the Marine Reserves), "Slipped and fell" or "Resisting arrest" pretty much means they did something to make the cop angry, so the cop roughed them up, knowing that there are folk like you who always presume the cops aren't wrong.

Most people who come out of a physical encounter with the police did little or nothing to deserve it.

If you attempt to stand up for yourself to a cop, you're going to be beaten. If you attempt to to film a cop breaking the law, you're going to be beaten and arrested. If you attempt to get help from someone when a cop is violating the law and your rights, you are going to get beaten. If you make a cop chase you on foot, you are going to get beaten. If you talk to a cop impolitely, you are going to get arrested and if you challenge his authority to arrest you just because you didn't speak to him with due deference, you are going to get beaten.

We've given them almost unlimited authority and weapons to enforce that authority, while stripping Americans of their ability to resist.

If the police keep beating and shooting people and the People do not take action within the law to stop this systemic and endemic abuse of authority, then people will start taking matters into their own hands...

Most people who come out of a physical encounter with the police did little or nothing to deserve it.That is patently false. While the cops aren't saints, the people they arrest are, on average, much, much worse. And in the overwhelming majority of arrests, cops do not use excessive force.

I'm not saying the cop is necessarily to be believed, but that the woman isn't necessarily to be believed either.