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Akom of Cazic Thule
01-30-2003, 02:31 PM
Probably not a new idea, but I wanted to see if anyone had made it work.

Ok, first off... I was soloing golems in PoV the other day, I can do 3 at a time root / doting, but I wanted to try quadding again (done it before) and see if I could sqeeze a little more exp out of it. So I quad a set... takes a while BTW... I am not the most "uber" druid on my server by far, but I have some ok gear, and 290 wis with KEI on (level 65). With SCM3 and a mage earing it took 15 min-ish to do the quad (should be quicker once I get the hang of it and get a bigger mana pool, more FT (8th shawl soon), and more AAs).

So after that I figure I'll try something new, and this is where the quad idea comes in. I had just memed Winter's Storm the day before (got it late) and wanted to try it out. I pulled a single Golem to test on. My theory was to cast Winter's Storm, then train the mob through waves 2 and 3. Well... it worked and it didn't. A couple times all three waves hit and it was working really well. A handful more times 2 waves hit. A few times the mob caught me as I was running a tight circle. And twice the AE hit me / tried to hit me. So, has anyone ever tried this method successfully? I mean, I got it to hit all three times sucessfully 2 times on my first try, so I figure with practice it should be possible.

Imagin though... once you got good at doing 1 mob, you could eventually work your way up to doing 4... thats 10,200 total damage for 500 mana... so, do you think its doable?

By the way, I got the mob down to 54% and was at 20% mana after hitting only once alot, so I rooted it and finished it by dot / rooting.

Tatankawd
01-30-2003, 03:25 PM
Doesn't work that way. With 4 mobs, there's only 1 wave.

Tat

Abru
01-31-2003, 09:35 AM
If you want to do the "extreme thing", pull 30 mobs and PB AE kite. That gives you the biggest exp-to-mana gain, but it's extremely tempermental, requiring amazingly exact timing and no lag of any kind, so basically you die a lot, and eventually decide that quadding is the most efficient exp in general. :)

Akom of Cazic Thule
01-31-2003, 10:31 AM
<blockquote style="padding-left:0.5em; margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0; border-left:solid 2">With 4 mobs, there's only 1 wave.</blockquote>


Are you sure on that?

Abru
01-31-2003, 10:38 AM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Are you sure on that? [/quote]I know I am.

Broomhilda
01-31-2003, 11:10 AM
PBAOE is a hassle, but watching the mobs fall down like Dominos is very fun. Its very cool way to get Heirophant Grazen to spawn in Grey.

I'm under the belief now anybody at about 200'sh+ Wisdom, high lvl with epic, horse, kei and self mana regens can quad anything, just may take longer.

I never thought i'd be able to quad the HOH basement. I only have like 220's wisdom and FT3, and definitely non-uber gear. Then i tried, ended up blowing 99% of my mana bar and got them about half life. Put epic on each, kite about another few minute, have a bub of mana again, use quad nuke to lom, epic again, repeat until dead. And i still had long med times for the room to respawn.

Mana Regen(horse required) > Wisdom

FyyrLuStorm
01-31-2003, 05:41 PM
Tat is right, but he did not explain.

Rain spells are kinda weird.

They can have waves, for example: You have a mob rooted, and cast on it with a rain. The mob, if root does not break, will be hit by 3 waves.

But there is a catch, it can only hit 3 targets max, and only once.

So in the case of 4 mobs, 3 will get hit, one will not; there will be no other hits. The waves are all used up on those first 3 targets.


I have never really understood the intended use behind this line of spells.

Only use I have seen is to get a player killed on his first AE party.



PS, Fire is an AE spell, some have even experimented using it to quad indoors. Possible, but entirely not effecient.

Terlana Spellfury
01-31-2003, 06:59 PM
Are you on crack? ALL of my rain spells hit in 3 waves regardless of whether i have 1 or 3 targets. All the wizard line works that way... maybe the druids get shafted on this one too?

FyyrLuStorm
02-01-2003, 09:54 AM
I will test it again.

Tatankawd
02-01-2003, 03:28 PM
Yes my prior experience is like Fyyr explained it for me ;)

Truthfully, I haven't cast a rain spell in a situation where it can hit more than one target in over 2 years, because it DEFINITELY used to work that way. Perhaps it has changed.

Tat

Ndaara
02-02-2003, 05:44 PM
alright, i tried this again just to be sure it hasn't changed recently (it hasn't). you have a total of 4 waves in a rain, but no single creature can be hit by more than 3 waves of it. so here's what it looks like:

** 1 monster can be hit by a total of 3 waves of your rain.
** 2 monsters each get hit by 2 waves of your rain, for a total of 4 waves.
** 3 monsters will each get hit one time, and one of them will get hit 2 times, for a total of 4 waves.
** 4 monsters will each get hit one time, for a total of 4 waves of your rain.

Hitting yourself or your pet does not count toward your 4 waves. so if you want to get hit a lot you can stand there with your 2 monsters and get hit twice along with them. if you want :)

Tested this with wizard, druid, and mage rains. they all work exactly the same way.

Have not tried this with a CHARMED pet, however. Not sure what it would do with that. but if i'm charming i'm not nuking so i'll never be able to answer that question for you :p

iegil
02-04-2003, 11:03 AM
Quadding HoH Basements.

I quad'em without a horse.
280 wisdom unbuffed
KEI, PoT9, and Mask + FT Gear
I take right at 12 minutes a quadkite.

HOWEVER, a horse will add with a little luck two full meditation ticks per cast. IE about 40 mana every cast to your pool. Works out to a fairly signifigant FT number. 2 ticks running, 2 ticks of regen approximates to FT10.

Balise
02-04-2003, 09:08 PM
I have found that when moving or turning in a stationary circle my horse will not give me the benefit of med'n as if sitting down. So to get the benefit of the horse I need to be standing still and not turning around, I can cast, but not turn or move in any way.

Could you quad indoors with the rain spells? I know they wouldnt finish the mob off, but you could take him down to whatever limit the rains have on them before they start getting resisted, then root/rott.