As the title says are you happy with TR?

If your unsure at the moment wait a few days before answering the poll - remeber you only get one go :)


Tils

I LOVE IT!!! I LOVE MY DRUID AGAIN!!! :D my bitterness has been greatly reduced!! ;)

With AA's appearing to work now (and assuming that is true), I am very satisfied with the new heal. No one believes me yet, but I still think in 2 months this cap is putting us right back where we were 2 days ago.

i did not use it yet :(

but tonite i will ! in raid condition !


sTRing on %t ! ... :evil:

That is if they fix %t

So many broken things.

~Nallowin

there was a big difference between having that :
* TR'ing %t ! *
and
* TR'ing %T ! *

t and T (no ad. :p ) weren't giving the same result. %T was bugged (and they probably fixed that with the last patch.. i hope hehe)

%t was not working last night, but maybe patch fixed it.

~Nallowin

Most of my friends love it, I'm not 58 yet, but considering all of the "balancing" clerics just got I feel a bit bitter that they give us one spell as our balance. Sure, they might be thinking about more and just have not said so...I sure hope so. I personally think druids need to get Sup heal at 45 where it's actually usefull for the level, need to get new version Chloroblast at 51 that heals for 1khp's, and a CB upgrade at 55, that heals for let's say for 1500hp's. Each would have a sec or so longer cast time to make up for the added hp's.

Just my 2cp...

I think HG, HA and healing focus 3 should work with it. /shrug. Not holding my breath.

They can NOT let our AA's work with this heal without letting the Cleric's AA's work with their CH. If they let both of ours work then that would be great, but if they only let ours work, that I don't want to be around when the clerics catch wind of it.

Verant has 2 ways they could make this spell useful now and in the future (ie, PoP in a few weeks). This spell is far from a CH and cant be used as a replacement in CH cycle reliably even with 2 druids casting the spell simultaneously and will get even worse in the near future with new spells/AA in PoP (can you say heal that heals less than 1/3rd of a warrior's HP in PoP).

1. If Verant insists on keeping the cap so low, all restrictions on the spell should be thrown off as this spell doesnt come close to CH or covering hitpoints of melee (which only gets worse in PoP). All focus items and healing AA skills should work - this still wouldnt heal nearly as much as CH, but the extra cast time, mana preservation, etc will help make up for it. After all, adding in all the focus items/AA abilities available in PoP, the heal still wouldnt heal much more than 4k which will be about half of your non-uber warrior's hitpoints once they get the new buffs/AA skills/levels (and uber warriors hitting 9-10k+).

2. An another alternative is to have the cap raised level 61+. Verant can do this automatically by say 400 points each level from 61-65, or make it require AA xp expenditure (if it requires AA expenditure, might make it a bit more like 500-600). Raising the cap to 5k by the time you are level 65 seems about right with all the hp inflation going on, and the fact that PoP mobs will be hitting alot harder than prior expansions.



In any case, at least HG should be made to work with TR if Verant decides to do nothing else.

They can NOT let our AA's work with this heal without letting the Cleric's AA's work with their CH.

Umm, they do work with CH. Always have.

I have heard Cleric's Gripping about it, though That might have been Focus items I am thinking of.

Excellent spell !

i could even keep a paladin alive in VT who was tanking a Pli Centien .. lol :p

Gilu i bet that mob was slowed.

I have always preferred to nuke so chose that as my answer, but if i had used any AA in healing skills or PP on Healing items, then i would be very disappointed with this spell.

I wish that they had improved our nuking abilties or spells instead of this, but hey Druids can do both healing and nuking and i guess i lost this time.

As the title says are you happy with TR?

Huh? Whats that?

You said: No - Useless Spell we should have gotten CH nothing less

And most Druids I believe are saying. FIX our healing for alot of levels! Some of you just seem to miss the point of CLASS BALANCING

55 Druid

yes of course it was slowed, there's only a few mob that can be dealt without, such as casters mobs.
Anyway, that mob was dealing flurry of attacks and i could heal that paladin without dropping all my mana in Chloroblast even if i have SCM3, MC2, HA2, FT12 (+potc+moth+kei+lcea's lament)

This spell helps a lot, i'm mostly a healer and i'm generally leading a group where i'm prim. healer.

A cleric Cheal doesnt stack with any focus item, but does use AA. I have seen different clerics crit for different amounts on a cheal, so that leads me to believe they have 0-3 HA, and at least 1 HG.
If a healing focus does NOT work with our Cheal, I will be comtemplatiing selling my Idol of the Underking. (a cleric using Ethereal Elixir may like it..hehe)

I personally am not very happy with the new CH.

I think its too powerfull. Sure it gives us an important role to play on raids , and we are a much better help, yet I do not want to be a cleric. With this new heal druids a major contributor in healing, and I don't want to be pigeonholed into a cleric role.

A smaller yet faster heal I feel would have been more appropriate. Being in a CH rot with no sort of flexibility isn't something i'm looking forward to doing.

I wanted a heal where we could keep a group a live, and help heal melee's / clerics better who have taken AE - riposte - or other sort of damage, yet I don't want it to be powerfull enough to really keep an MT alive in a rot.

oh and about the focus / aa thing. AA's work with cleric CH , so it should work with ours, I've seen clerics get 21k heals. Focus items don't work with the cleric CH, because of the way the focus items are designed. They are made to effect spells above certain cast times, and below other cast times, it doesn't single out any spell.

I beleive spell haste is made to effect heals over 4 sec yet below 10, which is why neither the cleric / druid CH is effected by it.

As for me - I do intend on using the heal, since I am more focused towards improving what my guild is capable or killing , rather than my own personal power, yet I still think its a bit too powerfull.

I have heard Cleric's Gripping about it, though That might have been Focus items I am thinking of.



You where prolly thinking of Mana pres3, Improved healing3 not working with cheal HA/HG work with it I have some aa point in each and I can get crits cheals for nearly 23k (not that is really useful heh)

I can't say I have any complaints with TR :P I didn't spend AA's on Healing skills(never will... I'm an evoc druid) and I can still easily keep tanks going in *any* exp group I've been in since TR went live. In several groups now I've taken over healing while the cleric went melee-style :)

Some clerics might see that as a "look! you are taking our job away!" type of thing, but so far my experience has been just the opposite. The clerics I play with are more than happy to pull out that Hammer of Souls, drop a pet, cast Yaulp, and go to town on mobs. Especially undead mobs. Then they add in Epitath of Life or Exile Undead. They've been having a blast.

And it isn't like I'm doing nothing but sit/stand/heal either. I can easily heal most of the tanks in my guild from 50% to full with TR, and many other folks from 30% or so. Between heals I'm still nuking, snaring, damage shielding, regrowthing, root parking, and all that good stuff.

I can get crits cheals for nearly 23k (not that is really useful heh)

... Yet. Wait a couple months and then see if you still think it is not useful.

HG needs to work with it.

This freaking spell is almost usless. Try using it while hiding behind a wall. The range must be about half that of CH. They gimp the hell out of the spell by making us wait till 58 for this total crap spell. Our 60 heal spell has more range and is alot more useful. Look at how freaking uber the clerics are now, and we get a usless freaking 10sec 5ft range 3k heal. Ohhhh yea I feel balanced. /sarcasm off

The range on both CH and TR is 100. If you use the good old ToV scale, they are both 9-tile spells :) . The range on most other heals is 200. This is true for both clerics and druids.

It may be true for druids, but the only cleric heals with a range greater than 200 are Remedy and Ethereal Remedy. All the others are range 100.

I'm a healing type druid and this spell is superb. I do not see it as a CH, but i see it (although lower level) as an upgrade to Nature's Touch. I will usually lead exp groups with me being the primary healer (easy exp groups though), and with TR, I can help clerics in CT without a problem. It heals for more than NT and is just as costly.

It's definately a step in the right direction. Doesn't make us clerics, but we can heal if we are forced to.

Should have been a level 54 or 55 spell like they initially proposed.

Actually they can let our AA's work with this heal since it only does about 3k hp which healing adept would bring it up some and a crit would basically be a CH equivalant which you couldnt count on though unlike clerics. And I have seen a cleric crit heal their CH :)

Anyone complaining about this spell must be out of their mind.

We replaced 2 clerics with 2 druids in the CHO vs Seru last night - and it worked like a charm. So, druids, welcome to filling in in the CHO.

So, atleast for now (ie, pre-PoP) - you can heal damn well - possibly too well, but then I reckon PoP will adress that via more HP on tanks.

I'm very happy with this spell. Last night in Vex Thal I was the monk group healer and it did me proud.

I don't think it's overpowered. Druids in my opinion will never take the role of clerics on healing the big tanks. The MT's in our guild have around 7k HP's when raidbuffed, so in a situation where you are healing a big raid buffed warrior, especially on a CH rotation, CH is king.

I'm quite happy with it being that way also! Tunare's Renewal has made me a stronger support healer and a stronger group healer for hybrids/monks etc. I don't want to CH, leave that to the clerics it's what they do, but I did want to be a bit stronger in the backup heal role, which has been our role since the dawn of EQ. This spell is enabling me to be stronger.

I was healing upwards of 3200+ on one of our monks last night, as he gleefully reported to me. Heck, if I can heal that much now (without taking my chance on a heal crit), I'm a happy bunny.

I'm looking forward to POP, some of the new spells (especially the regen upgrade) look like they could compliment our new more defined role, quite well.

I personally am QUITE happy with this spell. It finally takes us back to the - if we want to group we can, if we want to solo we can. I don't understand I guess the complaining about it. We are meant to be the all arounds. The can fill in in a pinch class. This spell just put us back into the running for that Pinch Hitting class that we where designed to be.

/shrug

Chalk me up with thrilled to death to be able to group or solo effectivly.

jus tso you know cheal doesnt work with any focus item period