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Miss Foxfyre
03-18-2002, 12:41 AM
Dear EverQuest Live Team,

The Druids Grove community of players wish to submit this open letter to you today in the hopes that you will read it carefully and earnestly and consider implementing some of the ideas, suggestions, and requests contained therein. Much debate and work went into this document, and it reflects the input and opinions of players of high-level druids who have been contributing to the class knowledge base since The Druids Grove, the first and oldest EQ druids online message board, opened in 1999.

This document is also online and can be found at http://pub13.ezboard.com/fthedruidsgrovegeneral.showMessage?topicID=26783.t opic. It is pinned at the top of the General EQ Forum along with feedback to Jahaar's post on the impending changes to Succor.

We thank you for your time in reviewing this document; we know you are all quite busy working on and implementing many of the exciting new changes we've heard about in your State of the Game letters as well as your caster balancing project. We look forward to hearing from you, so please stop by The Druids Grove (http://pub13.ezboard.com/bthedruidsgrove) anytime.

May the Spirit of Norrath keep you safe in all your travels!
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The State of the Druid in the Endgame and Near-End Game

When EverQuest first came out, the Druid became a class known for its versatility and its lesser ability to fill numerous roles. We could fill in for a missing cleric in a pinch; we could inflict a decent amount of direct damage should the situation call; we had the second best HP/AC buffs in the game; and our damage-over-time spells were a viable tool. We were also the primary teleporters in the game, through sheer numbers if nothing else.

We were not the best in any of these fields; such was the price we paid for our broad spectrum of abilities—we knew this and accepted it. However, if Druids were not the best in these fields, they were second or third, otherwise we would not have been considered viable, if lesser, alternatives to the primary classes in those abilities (Clerics, Wizards, Necros, Shaman, etc).

As the game matured, so did the need for specialized abilities. With the advent of Kunark, Druids became less desirable. Even so, we were extremely viable and popular, and could still manage to fill a variety of roles reasonably well. The druid Kunark spells were well balanced and kept druids in line with their secondary role in a variety of areas, and indeed finally made us first in one field: fire and cold resists.

With the Velious expansion, the need for specialization in the high-level game further increased. A Druid could no longer heal well enough to be considered a viable healer for any high-level group. The disparity between our direct damage and that of Wizards grew. Our mana was insufficient for the tasks required of us. Verant, however, recognized some of these difficulties. In addition to the existing Kunark-era Mask of the Hunter, Druids received Protection of the Glades to help us regenerate mana faster. Protection of the Glades also returned us to our position as viable buffers by giving us a role buffing raiding casters. At the time, Druids and Shamans still could not sufficiently heal for their levels, and Verant responded by giving both Druids and Shamans Chloroblast and Druids Nature's Touch.

Luclin has changed things yet again. The high-level game has jumped another level. Unfortunately, it has left Druids behind.

Where Druids were once secondary in a variety of abilites, we are now lucky to be considered third. Unfortunately in the high-end game, the need for specialization is such that being third or fourth best as a support class leaves us seriously lacking.

The Druid community has held long and heated online discussions over what we feel is necessary to bring the Druid class back in line with the rest of the game. Ultimately, we have come to the conclusion that our primary concern is our growing inability to keep ourselves and our groups healthy in the high-end raid-focused game. There are other peripheral concerns, which we shall address later.

Druids have long served as the main secondary healers on a raid. No ability we have, other than transporting people to and from a raid, is used more often or considered more important than healing. This opinion is held by both Druids and other classes who regularly assign us without debate to a healing role. With the previous additions of Chloroblast and Nature's Touch, the Druid's ability to heal as a secondary healer, or the primary healer of a caster group, was secured up through the upper-mid level of the game. Unfortunately, the high-end game, as it exists now and where it is moving, finds the Druid unable to fulfill his/her role as a priest. The ever-growing hitpoints of the player characters require more healing than Druids are capable of. As players hitpoints increase, so does the damage delivered by the nonplayer characters they fight. This combination has devastated the Druid's ability to heal.

In particular, level 60 melee fighters are easily breaking 5,000 hitpoints, with warriors breaking 6,000 (with full raid buffs). These are merely average level 60s. Those in the most accomplished guilds are breaking between 6,000 and 8,000. Level 60 casters are topping 3,500, with priest classes reaching 4,000. Again, casters and priests in very accomplished guilds are topping between 4,000 and 4,500, respectively.

Your average level 60 druid has under 3800 mana with full enchanter buffs on. Using Nature's Touch, a druid's largest and most efficient heal, it would take a druid 2000 mana and 42.5 seconds to heal 4,400 points of damage (5.5 second cast time with the default three-second recast time on any spell). Comparatively, for 200 mana a Shaman can heal 1,200 hitpoints in 24 seconds (30 seconds when you add the six-second cast time for Torpor). A Paladin can heal 3,564 points of damage for roughly 800 mana (taking into account the 10% healing penalty and the mana cost penalty for a hybrid) every 32 seconds with his group heal, providing he is in a full group. Furthermore, he can do so at level 58, as opposed to level 60. For 250 mana a Cleric can heal 1,500 points of damage over 34 seconds (including cast time).

As you can see, Druids are finding themselves in a position of having to use over half of their mana pool over a very long period of time to heal a single caster or priest, let alone a melee class. This is further compounded by the fact that nonplayer characters are dealing far more damage far quicker than ever before. Even in an area such as NToV, let alone some of the Luclin zones, 42.5 seconds can equal 1,500 points of damage to every member of the druid's group from AE attacks. This doesn't include melee damage from these NPCs. At this rate a Druid finds it difficult to keep himself alive at times, much less a group. Indeed, a Druid will swiftly find himself out of mana with his own health too low to use mod rods and his group's health swiftly dropping.

Druids are the class most called on to be secondary healers. Paladins are mainly a melee class. Shamans are usually busy with buffs, slows, and debuffs. Yet Druids find themselves behind both classes in healing ability.

The Druid community has thought long and hard about a balanced solution to our dilemma.

First, we would ask Verant to remove the 10% serverside healing penalty for all non-cleric healers. We wholeheartedly agree with the 5% bonus that clerics receive, but the penalty has outlived its usefulness. There is no question that clerics are the most efficient healers in the game, as they should be.

Second, we suggest three ideas for bringing our healing up to a point where we are viable in our normal raid position as secondary healers.

1) Change the duration on Nature's Recovery from three minutes to 24 seconds and remove the recast time.

2) Give Druids a group heal—something along the lines of 880 hitpoints healed per member for 900 mana. This in particular was well thought of by the Druid community as it highly compliments our role of secondary healer on a raid or of primary healer of a caster/non-main tank melee group.

3) Give Druids a larger direct heal. Nature's Touch is insufficient for our current needs; the damage-per-second output of mobs has far surpassed the ability of Nature's Touch to keep even ourselves healthy, much less an entire group.

While our current ability to heal in the high-end game is undoubtedly our greatest concern, there are some other issues we feel important enough to warrant review.

First, Protection of the Glades. In light of Blessing of Aegolism and the proliferation of self-casting mana regeneration buffs among the casting classes, combined with increased mana regeneration from Koadics Endless Intellect and AE manasong, Druids have found the requests for PotG to have dropped to almost nil. Most druids report that less than a half dozen players ask for PotG on a raid anymore. PotG is overwritten by Aegolism and Blessing of Aegolism. It doesn't stack with Mark of Marzin (which the Druid community strongly hopes is simply a bug). The hassle of maintaining PotG and the short-duration Symbol of Marzin isn't worth it. These are the reasons. Therefore, we would ask Verant to consider two steps.

1) Give Druids a single-target version of PotG. For most 60 Druids PotG has become a 1200 mana single-target self-buff. Compare with the Cleric's self-only buff Blessed Armor of the Risen, which costs 275 mana. It has recently come to the community's attention that a single-target version of PotG is currently being developed on Test. If so, we anxiously await its arrival.

2) Change the stacking properties of PotG and Aegolism so that Aegolism and Blessing of Aegolism will not overwrite PotG. We do not necessarily believe the two spells should stack, but the aggravation of having to recast PotG five times in 15 minutes because various clerics refreshed their group's Blessing of Aegolism is enough to drive a poor Druid to drink. Simply make it so that neither spell overwrites the other.

Second, the Druid community has resoundingly spoken out against the effect on the Nature Walker's Scimitar. The dual-nature component of its effect means that it has a very high resist rate. The duration of the effect renders the DoT component useless and worse than the level 44 DoT's damage per tick. The cast time and duration also make the snare itself of lesser value. This is further aggravated by the proliferation of mobs immune to changes in movement speed. When a mob is immune to snare, it ends up being immune to the damage portion of our epic effect as well. Last but not least, not only does the Necromancer epic not stack with our epic effect but also overwrites it. The Druid community would ask Verant to change our epic effect to a straight DoT with the same resistance as our other DoTs and a duration of one minute.

This brings us nicely to our third concern: DoTs. Druids don't receive an upgrade to damage-over-time spells after level 53. We would ask for an upgrade to Winged Death—something along the lines of 1950 damage over 50 seconds at level 58 or 59.

Fourth, the Druid class needs the ability to teleport on Luclin. Our inability to transport our groups and guildmates around Luclin has eliminated one of our primary services to a guild engaging Luclin targets. Any Druid below level 57 finds himself unable to offer this service to a group (the ability to evacuate it from danger) since using an evac that takes the group off Luclin is a certain way to end it. Rarely will a group continue if it must spend 20 minutes returning to the hunt location.

The final request is a two-part request. Look at our cold-based spells, specifically Moonfire. Consider giving us a cold debuff line similar to the Ro's fire/ac/atk debuff line.

In sum, the Druid class is no longer the well-balanced, desirable class it was two years ago. Active high-level druids are becoming rare indeed, and we are a broken class in the high-end game. Our desirability has dropped dramatically because our ability to serve our groups and guilds has declined much with the past two expansions. There is little use for a healing class that cannot heal, nor is there much use for a teleporter who cannot teleport. The Druid community strongly hopes that Verant will work with us to rectify some of these issues so that we may continue to be valued by our guilds, peers, and friends.

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rtfm
03-18-2002, 01:34 AM
We have been discussing and debating and bickering on this matter for over a month. Is this an appropriate time to continue that here in this thread?

The points that have been made are our CONSENSUS. Some will disagree with some points, some want other points added. But the consensus has been reached.

While I was initially apprehensive about asking for too much, also voiced by many others. This Manifesto only addresses balancing *prior* to the other caster balances. Our being conservative with our requests may be overshadowed by other improvements that are already being given to other classes on Test, or that are on their way into the game that we do not know about at this time. Take that into account.

Miss Foxfyre
03-18-2002, 01:41 AM
<font size=4>A NOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LINKING DIRECTLY INTO THE THREAD. IF YOU AGREE AND WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, OR JUST DISAGREE, PLEASE GO <a href=http://pub13.ezboard.com/fthedruidsgrovegeneral.showMessage?topicID=26999.t opic>HERE </a> TO POST YOUR AGREEMENTS AND DISAGREEMENTS. ALL DISAGREEMENT OR TROLL POSTS WILL BE REMOVED FROM THIS THREAD, AS IT IS A PETITION, NOT A DISCUSSION THREAD. IF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT TO THE PETITION, PLEASE SIGN /AGREE ALONG WITH YOUR NAME, RACE, CLASS AND SERVER.

THANKS, SALICIA OF THE GROVE</font>

Debates over the main content of this document are over, fini, finito. If you have something to revise in light of Test server changes, yes, by all means, those revisions count. However, if you have shown up here to dismiss the main points, you are more than free to draft your own open letter to VI.

Wildroot Forestrunner
03-18-2002, 01:42 AM
Hi hi

As a 58 level druid I agree to this letter wholeheartedly.

I hope that Verant takes some of the proposed changes in the letter seriously.

Especially the healing, when I find myself as healer in a group in HoT I cannot keep up with the healing.

Damagewise I'm fine, but I would be lying if I said I wouldn't like some upgrades.

I find no trouble when soloing, only when grouping, and I find myself again and again being left out of groups, except when grouping with guildmembers. Being a better healer, might help some on getting me in groups.

Problem is with druids, is that increasing our grouping abilities, and or damage, will also make us better at soloing, and we all know that Verant frown upon to much soloing.

Aidon Rufflefuzz
03-18-2002, 02:04 AM
Folks,

When MF posted this up top with a sticky, I don't think her purpse was to encourage further debate as to its validaty or its content, but rather for the "signing" your agreement.

As RTFM and MF stated, we've been discussing this, whether it was needed, and what should go in it for weeks now. What this is, is a condensation of what seems to be the consensus of the community.

As I've said with every draft, this is not the thread for arguments. We've done that aplenty. This is thread is for a show of support.

That being said:

Aidon Rufflefuzz, Level 60 Druid on Karana concurs with and supports this document and the changes suggested therein.

FyyrLuStorm
03-18-2002, 03:30 AM
I would like these changes implemented.


Fyyr Lu'Storm
56 Preserver
Legion of Temptation
Bristlebane

Iisbliss
03-18-2002, 04:17 AM
/agree

Venerable Iisbliss Wyldnymph
Level 60
Antonius Bayle
Darkwind

354 Days Played

tinsi
03-18-2002, 04:35 AM
Amen.

/signs her name

EDIT:

"do what M-B did and require that each person sign their name, class, level and server"

Ah, good idea, here goes:

Tinsi Dreamcathcer
Level 59 halfling druid of Karana
Mith Marr server

Jinjre Meadowdancer
03-18-2002, 04:58 AM
/agree

Jinjre Meadowdancer
Level 55 druid, Tunare

Emberglow3412
03-18-2002, 05:12 AM
As a level 60 Druid, I agree with these changes... Looks good all around... All suggestions sound just about right!

:signs his name

Quaras Shadowscythe
03-18-2002, 05:13 AM
/signs on with Aidon and the grove. T'was a long and interesting debate.

Quaras Shadowscythe
Bristlebane Server
57 Druid
Guildleader Natural Selection

Kytelae
03-18-2002, 05:15 AM
Sign me up.

Bittleaye Arkades
55 Preserver
Xev Server

Usse
03-18-2002, 06:03 AM
Couldn't agree more.
After 3 years and 60 levels on my main I really can tell that playin a druid isn't that much fun anymore if you're raiding all the time.

Usse
60 druid on Cazic-Thule

Tuved Stormrunner
03-18-2002, 06:05 AM
Nicely Done!

Tuv
60 Hierophant
Bristlebane

Sorrun
03-18-2002, 06:05 AM
I think you should lock this thread to avoid any discussions... there is no point in 1000 "i agree" posts and we risk players who diagree (see above) posting too late to the discussion...

EDIT: Ignore above comment.. Salicia has a good point... :)


/agree (also realized I forgot to sign this before.. got interupted mid post)

CannanTheDruid
03-18-2002, 06:09 AM
I support this.

Cannan
Wanderer of the 56th Season
Xegony

TheOneSeeker
03-18-2002, 06:15 AM
/agree

Thanks to everyone involved in this discussion and creating the final draft.

--Seekr
60th Hierophant Xev

P.S. Moderators please remove any discussion posts here. We discussed it in detail elsewhere and can continue the discussion in other postings. I think a simple agree or disagree is enough in this message.

Batou062671
03-18-2002, 06:28 AM
I add my support to this letter. The ability to heal in high end encounters is sorely lacking when that is the role I find myself thrust into quite often.

EDIT: Adding my character name, level and server, then again, it's in the sig...

FULL NAME IN GAME: Batou of The Nexus
CLASS AND LEVEL: DRUID, 60
SERVER: Karana Server

Aaeamdar
03-18-2002, 06:33 AM
/agree

Aaeamdar
Level 60 Druid
Veeshan Server

Keryia Winterwolf
03-18-2002, 06:44 AM
/agree

Keryia Winterwolf, Druid 57
Karana

Remi
03-18-2002, 07:01 AM
/agree

Remi Mystdancer
Venerable Hierophant (60 Druid)
Officer - Draco Invictus
Xegony

Murias
03-18-2002, 07:03 AM
/agree


Murias Leafstorm
54th Wanderer of Tunare
Officer of Strange Brew
Druzzil Ro

Jenkin The Druid
03-18-2002, 07:16 AM
Great letter. I hope they make these changes.

And I don't want it to seem like we're all getting new goodies, so we're all excited. These are things that we should have had a long time ago. I believe with these changes we'll finally be put on the stage with other high end classes that are considered essential for raids.

Hierophant Jenkin

Aaul
03-18-2002, 07:18 AM
I support these proposed changes.

karanic druid
03-18-2002, 07:24 AM
/agree

nothing too add, U just make a really good sum of druids problem and the solutions are the ones I expected for a long time now

hierophant lvl 60
stormhammer

Sobe Silvertree
03-18-2002, 07:30 AM
/agree


Sobe the Wanderer
60 Druid
Mith Marr Server

Aenara Wyldhart
03-18-2002, 07:49 AM
/agree

Aenara Wyldhart, Level 60 Druid on Prexus

Aerillea
03-18-2002, 07:59 AM
/agree


~
Aerillea Mystfyre
60 Heirophant

Lyranna Lyrserus
60 High Priestess

Tunare Server

PaPaBraveheart
03-18-2002, 07:59 AM
/agree

Pobo Braveheart
60th Hierophant of Xev

Tweil
03-18-2002, 08:20 AM
I agree whole heartly.

Tweil Firestorm
Level 26 Druid
Solusek Ro

Bria Sunrider
03-18-2002, 08:31 AM
/agree


Bria Sunrider
Level 58 Druid
Bertoxxulous

Cassea
03-18-2002, 08:52 AM
My sole and ONLY EQ character being level 58 aggrees 100%

Thanks to all those who had a hand in this.

Lets pray for Verant to read it with an open mind.

myth24601
03-18-2002, 09:31 AM
55 Druid here aggrees.

We so need ports to Luclin. I spent over an hour getting everyone to the moon for a group going to The Deep. A port just to the Nexus would be wonderfull since most good places aren't too far from it and most Zones are not that large.

Splendora
03-18-2002, 09:57 AM
/agree , well said...

Splendora Dastona
60 Heirophant
Ring of Valor - Bristlebane

Butor
03-18-2002, 11:03 AM
/agree

Butor
60 Druid
Karana server

Laeleriel Starweaver
03-18-2002, 11:13 AM
/agree as well

Laeleriel Starweaver
54th Tunarean Wanderer
Lux et Veritas
Innoruuk Server

Salicia Swiftfoot
03-18-2002, 11:22 AM
Edited for Brevity

/sign this petition

Salicia Swiftfoot
54 Druid
Bertoxxulous

Tes989
03-18-2002, 12:19 PM
/agree

Tesiux Gegenetes
37th Druid of Solusek Ro
Moderator EQ Druids

Azeroth FireWolf
03-18-2002, 12:28 PM
I definitel agree

Chakarra1
03-18-2002, 12:50 PM
I agree 120%. Especially with the points about not being able to keep up with the demands of healing a high lvl party. Its got to the point where a group of mid50+ cant raid unless they either have a cleric, or have 2+ druids in the party.

Also regarding the ports to Luclin..Why wouldnt we get ports to luclin? That was the one specialty they did give druids in the beginning..was tavel. We have been able to go everywhere wizzards can go to. Wizards can tl anywhere, so why wouldnt a druid be able to port to the nexus?

The time it takes to wait, with an entire party to port up to the nexus is not extreme..however when the druid has to wait for the port up..thats just wrong. I have not changed my bind point (the nexus) in 5 lvls. It would be much more convinient if we were able to do so.

**Of course I woul dlike a group port to the druids bind point ooOOOoo...now THAT would be cool:)

Chakarra Wayfyndur
52 Druid of Tunare
Legion of Temptation, Bristlebane Server

Corvalis
03-18-2002, 01:04 PM
/agree

Very well written...Thanks to all who put it together.

Ylana
03-18-2002, 01:05 PM
/agree :)

chenier
03-18-2002, 01:08 PM
I agree VI needs to do some serious thinking about the druid class and this is a very well thought out list of suggestions.

Chenier Sangeforet
druidess of 52 seasons
Prexus

buzweaver
03-18-2002, 01:18 PM
/agree!

Vollin
03-18-2002, 01:18 PM
/agree wholeheartedly


Vollin Fuzzyfoot
55 Druid
Legion of Temptation
Bristlebane Server

Woodydruid
03-18-2002, 01:29 PM
/sign


Nuirin Rinnanwulf
53rd Season Druid of Tunare
Druzzil Ro

Faedia
03-18-2002, 01:34 PM
This has my total support!
/AGREE

Faedia Aeternalis
53 Wood Elf Druid
Veeshan server

Daynna
03-18-2002, 01:58 PM
Agreed. These would make my future a bit brighter. =)

Daynna Dawkins
Lvl 47 Druid
Bristlebane

Miss Foxfyre
03-18-2002, 03:30 PM
*agrees*

Gwynhyfar Foxfyre
60 druid
Solusek Ro

Kazari
03-18-2002, 03:59 PM
Agree.

Kazari.
60 Druid
Core of Legends
Fennin Ro.

Kelinod
03-18-2002, 04:13 PM
/agree, great letter.

OneBadDruid
03-18-2002, 05:07 PM
Agree 100%.
I myself have almost given up playing my druid due to the lack of grouping opportunities.

ahh for the old days when we were always wanted in groups. (

Jaqrabbit
03-18-2002, 05:13 PM
Sounds like a great set of ideas. It has my support.

Syrris Cloudheart
32 Druid
The Rathe

Angry White South African
03-18-2002, 06:49 PM
I see the issues have not changed much since I was last here. This letter has my support.

Lemba
03-18-2002, 07:20 PM
I agree and support this letter.

EDIT: Lemba, level 60 Druid on the Zebuxoruk

Felessan
03-18-2002, 07:42 PM
/agree wholeheartedly

EDIT:
Felessan
56 druid
Tarew Marr

NilweanTP
03-18-2002, 07:50 PM
/agree

Nilwean
57 Druid
Immortals Rising
Torvonnilous

Mylene
03-18-2002, 09:01 PM
/agree

-Mylene
Level 60 Druid
Tarew Marr

Kerel Silverfur
03-18-2002, 09:44 PM
/agree

Pariah777
03-18-2002, 10:47 PM
I concur.

Druid changes must happen, and soon.

The Druid needs some serious end game work.

[Edit: Just in case my signature won't show on final draft. . .
Gunny Burlfoot, 57th Preserver, Rodcet Nife server]

toungarock
03-18-2002, 10:48 PM
I must agree for the state of druid post 50+
I put a topic on monkyl business but my english is limited and they don t really understand what happen to us ...



Tounga Aiguisemoica
Hierophant of Nouvelle Alliance
Vallon Zek

Geppen
03-18-2002, 11:08 PM
Agree Wholeheartedly


Greppen Grubbs
34th Halfling Druid of Quellious Server

Zamoradruid
03-18-2002, 11:10 PM
Very Well written

I agree!

Lvl 58
The Nameless

Nerill
03-18-2002, 11:33 PM
I agree whole-heartedly !!!!

HOWEVER, you forgot to specify that these new requested spells be VENDOR sold .... or at least most of them would need to be !!! Otherwise we may get our needed class balancing spells but they will all be DROPPED spells that can only be acquired in the Temple of Veeshan, The Ssraeshza Temple, Sleeper's Tomb ......oh and of course the Plane of Growth ( ironically one of the few places our pet spell drops / cute joke VI :( /cry )

Anyway, here's hoping that our cries are heard ! :)

Nerill Wolfbane
Druid of the 56th Season
Drinal

[sig file too large]

Meresya Wolf Lore
03-18-2002, 11:33 PM
After Kunark came out I foresaw the way druids were heading. When Velious was released my foresight was confirmed, and I retired my druid at 49th in favor of more group friendly classes.

While she has levelled since retirement, that is only because she was camping things for other guild members from mobs that gave experience, or when totally bored collecting a smidgeon on exp with a little bit of coin.

I have seen the sheer number of druids fall away from what was around even just two years ago. And friends have tried to get me to bring her out of retirement, thinking it was a waste to retire her, just because the number of druids have steadly declined in an alarming rate compared to previous numbers.

To date, including the newly added spells with the patch going live today I see no reason to bring her out of retirement. Most of the Luclin spells were just group forms of single version spells already had. She has the group version, but never really used it. Other classes have better.

Therefore, I wholeheartedly agree with the proposed changes, and would love to see others made as well, but there is time for those anon. First things first.

Meresya Wolflore
53 Druid - Currently Permanently Retired
Nameless

Nesallas
03-19-2002, 01:48 AM
Agree

Nesalas Lukkeecharms

Lvl 60 Halfing Druid
Erollisi Marr

Aliandra
03-19-2002, 02:01 AM
I'll throw in my support for this letter

Mappy Sassenfrass
03-19-2002, 02:01 AM
/agree

I haven't played my druid in months...it sucks to be a "priest" class who can't effectively heal!

Mappy
Level 58 Druid
Bristlebane server

Haass
03-19-2002, 02:06 AM
[Not here you don't. Take your complaints to a new thread.]

Nuvian Caelestis
03-19-2002, 02:16 AM
Good list, send it asap imo.

Nuvian
60 Druid
Triton
Povar

corlathist
03-19-2002, 02:23 AM
I too beleive in this letter

DaliX SoulFly
03-19-2002, 02:41 AM
i would like to see some positive changes!

the address is a good outline

please take some of the idea and go with them.

Dali-X

Hierophant of Midnightfury

Karenne666
03-19-2002, 02:46 AM
there is good stuff in this letter...

support~

Baerra
03-19-2002, 03:12 AM
I whole heartedly agree. Verant has overlooked us in much of the balancing of classes. We have fallen by the wayside in the rush to improve the other popular classes. I know originally druids were thought to be way overpowered etc. That has certainly turned into a joke now. =/



Leia Wolfwalker, 49th season halfling druid of Morrell-Thule
Random Acts guildmember

Miss Foxfyre
03-19-2002, 03:19 AM
Temporarily locked due to trolls.

Ainalda
03-19-2002, 07:15 AM
can only agree to this :)

Name: Ainalda
Level: 59
Server: Tarew Marr

Lody Rumburak
03-19-2002, 07:19 AM
/agree

Level 59 druid
Prexus Server

TandenMistwalkerII
03-19-2002, 07:30 AM
/agree Wholeheartedly

-Tanden Mistwalker
60 Hierophant of Valoran
Karana Server

SuzzyQ
03-19-2002, 07:38 AM
/agree


Suzzy
Level 60 Hierophant
Lanys
Proud Druid of Mithril Web


edit Added Level and server

Shagbert
03-19-2002, 07:40 AM
You have the British Druid vote right here, lol.

Shagbert Snugglespirit
55 Halfling Druid of Quellious

[Ewoks are cute but sig is way too big]

Aegyen
03-19-2002, 07:51 AM
/agree


Aegyen Wyndrunner
60th druid Brell

ThissulAsh
03-19-2002, 07:58 AM
I agree that the Druid needs serious revamping to become a viable class once again. I stopped playing my Druid with the introduction of Velious, even then there was a serious decline in the number of Druid players.

-Dreyslan
57th Blackguard of Shining Alliance
Prexus

Ardynn
03-19-2002, 08:18 AM
/agree

I strongly agree with the points raised about the effectiveness of our epic weapon. It took me over a year to complete my epic quest, which was finished just as Luclin was released. Imagine my surprise to discover that the weapon I'd worked a year to earn was completely resisted by over half of the mobs I attempted to fight while grouped in Luclin. I can think of no other class whose epic weapon effect is flat-out resisted all the time in battle. The fact that it doesn't stack with other druid epics (or necro epics) has meant that I have been able to use it only while soloing or in small groups with no other epicced druids. I think it's a great weapon but I can't believe it's so ineffective compared to the epic weapons other classes can earn.

Ardynn Silentfall
55 Druid, Xev Server

Alanen
03-19-2002, 08:20 AM
/agree

Alanen 51 Druid
Raiders of Thought
Seventh Hammer

apricot2
03-19-2002, 08:33 AM
lets just face the facts, verant dosent care. we can cry moan and bitch till were blue in the face. i sugest you play a nother class like i have chosen to do. the uber part of the game is all warriors and wizards and clerics oh my. basicly brad need to be kitted around the parking lot at verant by a mob of angry druids.


baroness apricot defair 60 lv druid
baron larres headland 60 lv warrior
baroness enrique 60 lv enchanter
luclin server

lilhem aesir
03-19-2002, 08:43 AM
/agree ;P
the entire list is good got my vote.
Lilhem Aesir
52 Wanderer
<Decendants Of Death>
Vazaelle

Vixenz
03-19-2002, 09:05 AM
I would have to say that I agree with all topic made in the letter. Druids in the high end of the game have become used less and our roles have been all but nulified of our usefullness if this letter helps I am all for it.

Vixenz Mistwalker
57th Preserver of Valoran
Karana Server

Yillandria
03-19-2002, 09:09 AM
Yillandria
60 druid
Mith Marr

I agree :)

Thickett
03-19-2002, 09:13 AM
/agree

Thickett Oakgrove
55 Druid
Povar Server

Tenidina Wyndrunner
03-19-2002, 09:15 AM
/agree

Karana Server

Dharma JoBob
03-19-2002, 09:23 AM
/agree

I can only hope this changes something.

With other classes taking over former druidic abilities, there is not enough left to make us unique and valueable.


Dharma Jo'Bob
Level 60 Druidess of <Magna Charta> on Solusek Ro.
Magelo Profile (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=2014)

Buun Sofsteel
03-19-2002, 09:30 AM
I agree.

One question: Why nothing asked for concerning the druid pet? It should be made into something useful or got the hell out of here.


Gilantril Stormheart
60 Hierophant
Karana Server
Valoran

Stilgar Winterfels
03-19-2002, 09:46 AM
Druids and Shaman sitting in the same boat for an upgrade.
We're kinda useless after we did our work (Druids port, Shaman buff) since other classes can easily take our spot.

-Heals are a joke in regard of the ammount of damage output of mobs and hp's of the tanks.
-Druids will need a port to Luclin
-DoTs(Druid) and DD´s(Shaman) need to be upgraded

Allegretta
03-19-2002, 09:59 AM
/agree

Allegretta Lyricus
level 53 Wanderer
proud member of Wayfarers of Veeshan guild
Veeshan server

Juvaana
03-19-2002, 10:28 AM
/Agree

Well said. How about increasing the druid drops through out the game as well. Spells, Armor.... Spells

Juvaana
Druidess
53rd Circle of Storms
Guild Stormborn www.stormborn.org (http://www.stormborn.org)
- Bristlebane Server

rownin777
03-19-2002, 10:34 AM
I agree,

Well done..

Rownin Windwalker
53 Wanderer
Cazic Thule

Jalokavich
03-19-2002, 11:03 AM
Good points.

Jalokavich Treeheart
59 Preserver
Mithaniel Marr

Tadayna
03-19-2002, 11:17 AM
/agree

I may be a younger druid, but I think the higher level is very unbalanced.

Kunn Fuu
03-19-2002, 11:31 AM
I agree.

Legan Speedyfeet
Druid of 51 Seasons
Seventh Hammer

Jekell Windrider
03-19-2002, 11:44 AM
Totally agree and hope these changes are implemented

Quelm
03-19-2002, 12:06 PM
I agree.

I'd also like Druid pets to be buffable by others, as they were before Luclin.

-Quelm, Hierophant (60 Druid)
Drunken Tsunami, Terris-Thule

Diam Windrider
03-19-2002, 12:14 PM
I Agree with the post...and also hope that some of these recommendations do happen for the druid community.

Kaluyen Silvermist
03-19-2002, 12:21 PM
/agreed

Kaluyen Silvermist
51st Wanderer of Tunare
<The Tree of Life>
Luclin

EDIT: bah forgot level

Polinquis
03-19-2002, 12:21 PM
I have been level 40, for almost 5 months. I have no real inclination to play my druid anymore, because I am no longer wanted in groups.

"Sow me", "Buff me", "Port me" is all I hear. I tried soloing for a while, and while I can quad kite with the best of them, I have a hard time with it in my head, because why do I pay my "x" dollars a month to solo in a multi-player game?

So I fully endorse this letter....not that verant will listen to it, for I am not on the legends server paying all that extra cash (for any service whatsoever), and would like to see the changes implimented.

Polinquis Jelantru
40 Druid
Tarew Marr

Zingara45
03-19-2002, 12:29 PM
Without delay I agree with this request.

Zingara Puzzlemaster
Veil of Shadows
Luclin Server

Mocean
03-19-2002, 12:47 PM
/agree say nods her head rapidly in full agreement! :)

Mocean Tsiknus
57 Druid
Quellious

SalbianBB
03-19-2002, 01:05 PM
I agree with this 100%. Very well Done Miss Foxfyre :).

Onetree Tallbarque
03-19-2002, 01:36 PM
I strongly urge Verant/SOE give due attention to this pettition. It best represents the distillation of our voices. I have not seen a better written statement of our concerns. I wholeheartedly agree to every point, particularly in the areas of healing and epic effect. "Your target is immune to changes in its run speed," indeed. Bah.

By way of suggestion for a useful (if not defining) role in high end raids, I would like to see 59+ Druids be given an AE heal spell. Call it Healing of the Grove.

Onetree Tallbarque
60 Hierophant
Valoran
Karana server
Keeper of the FAQ @ www.planeofmischief.com (http://pub57.ezboard.com/btheplaneofmischief)

Leadar
03-19-2002, 02:03 PM
/agree wholeheartedly. . .

AND I hope VI also works on the stacking issue of DOTs, so that separate people can use the same dots, the same as if you had 2 wizzys using manaburn. But, I know this isnt druid specific, just hope they work it out eventually.

Leadar

Eridalafar
03-19-2002, 02:47 PM
/agree

Eridalafar
Druid
Rodcet Nife server

Xianin Kimura
03-19-2002, 03:00 PM
I agree as well.

In the very least they can nerf our epic.

Xianin Kimura
57 Druid
Luclin Server

Bizitt
03-19-2002, 03:25 PM
/agree

Bizitt
57 Druid
Halfling
Tribunal

Anteac
03-19-2002, 03:31 PM
I would love some upgrades. I would have to agree also

Anteac
58th Druidess
Bristlebane

alin fyrehunter
03-19-2002, 04:21 PM
I agree with this letter whole heartedly



Alin Fyrehunter Lvl 58 druid Valoran
Karana server

MonikinD
03-19-2002, 05:02 PM
Me to me to! i agree also. I don't wanna here send in the druid to take the death touch ever again :).

GreerSwiftfoot1
03-19-2002, 06:14 PM
/Agree

Name Greer Swiftfoot
Level 52
Server Tarew Marr

Gandara
03-19-2002, 06:22 PM
/agree very well done. Addresses the basic needs that druids have in the game. Thank you

Aluaeia
03-19-2002, 07:12 PM
/agree

I feel the burn of sucktastic heals even at 47

Aluaeia
47th level Fier'Dal druid of Tunare
Tarew Marr

shuriken68
03-19-2002, 07:40 PM
I agree.

Just would put more emphasis on the Moonfire problem, I just don't understand why it's not in line with our other cold based DDs, I would understand why it would take a little more mana, being it does more damage than Wildfire, but a damage/mana ratio of 2.44 instead of 3.2 like Wildfire. Both our DD lines got better ratio until Moonfire, why that change all of a sudden ???

Treetops 56 druid
Xegony Server

Vampyrhi
03-19-2002, 09:25 PM
/AGREE

Wolffina Wyldheart
52 Druidess
Tarew Marr

tetrian corbec
03-19-2002, 09:58 PM
I agree.

Fozzick
03-19-2002, 10:39 PM
/agree

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FozZicK ThE HaLfLinG coOkiE mOnstEr !
60 Hierophant
"Eat my Jum-Jum Herb Cookies and Take a Ride on the ...
~Red Eye Express~
The Most Irie Guild on The Nameless

Nuttie P
03-19-2002, 11:27 PM
I agree too with all said in this post. Although never really played a Druid (I did to level 12 but fell asleep :p ) with all the changes to other classes Druid's sound like they are lagging behind a little.

Having said that, im sure Verant and friends have got a few upgrades planned up their sleeves for the future so im sure we will see a new 2002 version pretty soon :D

Happy hunting and happy all that other stuff you do....

Baron Jimall Fixit <Shining Alliance>
60 Warlord - Prexus server

Nuttie Professer <Shining Alliance>
56 Templar - Prexus server

Kyla Baileyi
03-19-2002, 11:40 PM
/agree

Elder Kyla Baileyi
60 Druid
Seventh Hammer Server

Meperidine
03-19-2002, 11:42 PM
/agree

Mepper Bloodypaws
Hierophant of morell-thule

Firren
03-19-2002, 11:59 PM
I really hope VI listen.

/agree

Firren
60 Druid
Antonius Bayle

Rhes Olooshun
03-20-2002, 01:04 AM
I also agree with this. Although I am a pessimist, I retain some small hope that it will be looked at and acted upon by Verant.

Rhes Olooshun
58th Preserver of Tunare
Alliance of the Arcane
Quellious

t20sixred
03-20-2002, 01:32 AM
Agree

Glarnor
03-20-2002, 02:30 AM
/agree

KatnSkybolt
03-20-2002, 03:41 AM
So you want us to group do you, when we get 50+ you make us feel like we are the last kid to be picked on the playground. Not because of what we can or can’t do but because they need to feel the hole to get the full group experience bonus. I was added to group in Velketor's Labyrinth recently and when I joined this group I asked them what duties they what’d me to perform, it was not snare, it was not heal, it was to keep Regrowth on the Necro and oh you can buff the pets and heal them too. I am not in guild and because of that I solo a lot. Guilds don’t need Druids on Lanys T'Vyl because they are so many of them. Mine has a born on date of 21 Dec 1999 so VI you have got a lot of my money. I do wish to finish my druid to level 60. I have my epic about half way completed but with out an UBER guild behind me, chances of me getting a jade reaver to continue it are like a GM coming up to me in the game and handing me my leaf blower. Now all I ask is to keep us in the game. Right now we are good enough to give you a ride or make you run fast but when we get you to your destination, you act like you don’t know us any more. And dropped SPELLS this just is not right, on Lanys T'Vyl listen to the auctions, all you here is I want to buy dropped Druid spells. Ok occasionally you hear another class auction for a particular spell but there is so many Druids that need so many of them that we are not specific which one because we need them all. Ok I well get off my soap box now.
I agree to this letter wholeheartedly, and I would like these changes implemented.
Thank you Katn Skybolt Lvl 54 Druid Lanys T'Vyl Server

TinyDru
03-20-2002, 04:02 AM
Agree

Pinelda Wyldefeather
56th Druid
Rutabaga Paradox
Druzzil Ro

Lalian
03-20-2002, 04:46 AM
I agree totally. One fight against an AoEer has me OOM if I am the main healer in HoT. That's ridiculous.

*edit* Forgot server - Quellious.

Wyndfoot
03-20-2002, 04:54 AM
I agree to the changes proposed



Venerable Wyndfoot Rainbringer
60 Hierophant of Dark Bane
Mithaniel Marr Server

Peoni
03-20-2002, 04:59 AM
/agree

Verant, please take notice of these suggestions.

Trevize
03-20-2002, 05:07 AM
/agree


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Queyla
03-20-2002, 05:36 AM
Count me in on this, very well written and addresses most of my concerns effectively.

Queyla Beefcake
59th level Nature Walker
Havenlight Guild
Xegony

Kanis Dlupis
03-20-2002, 05:46 AM
/Agree

Baron Kanis D`Lupis
Hierophant
"Divine Fellowship"
Mith Marr

jukik
03-20-2002, 06:54 AM
I agree with this.

Larelli0n
03-20-2002, 06:56 AM
Agree


Larellion Rainstorm
Hierophant
Iceni
Innoruk

Accretion
03-20-2002, 07:14 AM
Primero Aventurero
34th Druid
Fennin Ro

AricMcquaid
03-20-2002, 08:02 AM
I agree.

Aric
60 Druid
Sol Invictus
The Tribunal

cprender
03-20-2002, 08:13 AM
I agree

Krristan Rowansire
lvl 56 Duid, Vaezelle

Legacee Chaseabout
03-20-2002, 08:17 AM
Great document and I support it 100%.

Level 54 Druid
Mystical Lightfighters

Mhythos Chronowolf
03-20-2002, 08:46 AM
*Rubs his jam stained hand on the scroll, signing it*
I agree!!!

--------------------------------
Mhythos Chronowolf <Triadica>
55 Halfling Druid
Solusek Ro
www.triadicaguild.com

Gatori Vonhinx
03-20-2002, 09:37 AM
I agree!

Rathe Server

Kbern
03-20-2002, 10:05 AM
Signed

Oaker Treeweaver
lvl 54 and moving to where this crap will affect me.

Saurin CoTG
03-20-2002, 10:08 AM
/agree

Saurin
Lvl 59 Druid
Bristlebane

Croseh
03-20-2002, 10:38 AM
Aye!

Croseh
60 Hierophant
Tribunal
Sol Invictus

Sasss
03-20-2002, 10:40 AM
/agree

iallaas
57 Druid on The Tribunal server

Minnx Risingmoon
03-20-2002, 11:16 AM
/agree
Like the old saying say's, squeeky wheel gets the grease. Maybe this politically correct "Squeek" will do some good, we need improvements. Please read Verant and make some changes!

Silvaren Wildrunner
03-20-2002, 11:26 AM
I wholeheartedly agree and support this 100%


Silvaren Wildrunner
53 Wanderer
Saryrn

Kidas52
03-20-2002, 11:27 AM
I Agree All The Way!
I my be a low druid but with my paladin I have noticed this and rarely want a druid to heal in my group they need way better healing abilities.

Gushan
14 Druid Halfling
Tarew Marr Server

Raleldor Jax
03-20-2002, 11:28 AM
100% support

Ralleldor Druishtaxi
55 druid on Druzzil Ro

Lystrahawk Northernfury
03-20-2002, 11:48 AM
So incredibly /agree with said manifesto. Struck the very core of what I've been feeling for months.

57 Druid, Bertoxx
Lystrahawk Natasianfury

Bremen7
03-20-2002, 11:54 AM
wonderfully written.

/agree

Bremen
53 Druid
Nameless

Straith
03-20-2002, 12:03 PM
/agree

Straith 56 Preserver
Legion of Temptation
Bristlebane

Scirocco
03-20-2002, 01:18 PM
Agreed.

Scirocco
Level 60 Druid
Drinal

Torbad Izbad
03-20-2002, 01:30 PM
Amen!

Torbad Izbad
54 Druid
Xegony

LadonVZ
03-20-2002, 01:50 PM
Agree!

Tuvyn Stormweaver
03-20-2002, 02:06 PM
I totaly agree with the changes listed above.

I do hope that verant would change atleast Some of those things mentioned.

CaoimheTerrigenus
03-20-2002, 02:32 PM
I support this :)

Caoimhe Terrigenus
55 Level Druid
~Tunare~

XenoFire
03-20-2002, 03:08 PM
I competely agree =)

55 Druid of Karana.
Small but fuzzy.

Gillaienie Spiraldancer
03-20-2002, 05:02 PM
i agree =D

[signature over limit, sorry]


"Now is the time , get on the right side. You'll be godlike."
Gillaienie Spiraldancer

-lvl 60 Hierophant of Valoran-

Endalin
03-20-2002, 07:01 PM
Agreed

- Endalin
60 Druid
Tribunal

Macnbaish
03-20-2002, 07:17 PM
/agree

I'm not way up there yet, but even before sup healing at 51 I had a hard time keeping my group up... and I know sup healing isn't gonna do jack on 5k hp.

Malegolas Trueheart
51 druid of Morell-Thule

gidan packmaster
03-20-2002, 08:26 PM
agree

Norlib Borealis
03-20-2002, 09:57 PM
ya, i agree... not that it matters. want to really get em to change it? everyone cancel their account on the same day and tell em why...

norlib borealis
51 druid

mixy matchute
60 hierophant

juan moremana
58

karana server

Raeyne Goldenleaf
03-20-2002, 10:51 PM
Again I applaud how well written this was, and I agree with what was proposed for our class.

Raeyne Goldenleaf
~56 Preserver of Saryrn~

Feebbil
03-21-2002, 01:27 AM
Nice well written.
/agree

Feebbil.
lvl 60 guild taxi on Karana

Palarran
03-21-2002, 02:19 AM
/agree

Palarran Taurina, 55 druid
Ayonae Ro

Seriena
03-21-2002, 03:29 AM
100% Agree

Seriena
60 druid
Fennin

nieros
03-21-2002, 04:09 AM
Nicely put! /agree

Nieros Nakasumari
Level 60 druid
Tribunal

*Edited to put in correct syntax as requested.

Nautie
03-21-2002, 05:47 AM
I rarely post on open boards but this topic warrants a resounding YES - throwing in my support. Very nicely done!

Nautie, Hierophant
The Companions
Tribunal Server

Tarance
03-21-2002, 06:29 AM
/agree!!

Lachdanon Stormcaller
03-21-2002, 06:32 AM
/agree

Lach

LokiJones
03-21-2002, 06:35 AM
Put me on the list

eqin
03-21-2002, 06:39 AM
Because of the non-viability of druids in the end game, I stopped playing (leveling)my druid out of discouragement. I made a warrior to hedge my bets but I hope that Verant will make druids worthy again.

/em nods in agreement to the manifesto.

Za Arain
03-21-2002, 06:55 AM
Agree

-Gruffydd 53 Druid Saryn

Ndainye
03-21-2002, 07:41 AM
/agree

Ndainye Wyndwalker
54 Wanderer
Drinal

Kinamil ShadowWolf
03-21-2002, 08:30 AM
*nods in agreement*


Kinamil ShadowWolf
Tarew Marr

Yeawenette
03-21-2002, 09:27 AM
Agree

Yeawen Peregrinator
60 Druid
Officer, Warlords of Wrath
Rodcet Nife

Kulothar
03-21-2002, 09:32 AM
I agree.

Kulothar - Lv 55 Epic Dinosaur.
Preserver of Tunare
Mith Marr Server

Cindie Angeguardien
03-21-2002, 09:51 AM
I agree :)

Lvl 60 druid Hierophant on tribunal server
Member of Sol Invictus

Menlaiene
03-21-2002, 10:06 AM
/agree

I don't want to start over. But it's looking like if I want to participate in the game post-50, I'm going to have to.

Menlaiene Ravenswood
41 Druid
Veeshan Server

Gneaus
03-21-2002, 10:12 AM
/agree

60 Druid
Casus Belli
Ayonae Ro

fernwick
03-21-2002, 10:14 AM
Having found myself forced to always solo after almost exclusively grouping up to level 50, I also agree.

Fernwick Wolfson
53rd. Wanderer on Zeb
Exile of Cobalt Scars

haganwood
03-21-2002, 10:26 AM
/agree Whole Heartedly

Stormdancer Moonwhisper
03-21-2002, 10:28 AM
I fully concur. The ability to keep my melee group alive when raiding a First Brood is impossible.

Stormdancer Moonwhisper
Druid/60 Rodcet Nife

While it is a nice sig, it is over the limit

malanon
03-21-2002, 11:26 AM
I will say that I would have to agree. We are slowly falling behind in the "race" wars. We are even the 2nd class porter, wizards have taken over the "raid gigs" simply because of TL's.

Nough said,


Mal
59 Preserver of Bristlebane
Proud Officer of the "Legion of Temptation"

Enchanting
03-21-2002, 11:51 AM
I totally agree.. As a 60 level druid who's been playing since 1999, I've seen our class diminish in it's strengths compared to other classes. I hope Verant will take this letter seriously and help us achieve the level we once had.

Enchanting Spirit
60 Druid
Xev Server

Llanis
03-21-2002, 12:09 PM
I agree with this totally

Llanis Silverleaf <The First Seal>
Wanderer of Tunare.

Spense Sunhawk
03-21-2002, 12:43 PM
I totally agree with this thread.

I've been making posts about similar things lately on other boards (My Servers board, Guild Board, and the EQDruids Forum.)

Basically all that was in this post summed it up perfectly for what I think us Druids deserve.

Hopefully VI will take a look into this and can start helpin us Druids out!


Spense Sunhawk

Ziffic
03-21-2002, 04:38 PM
I agree mostly.

Ziffic
60 Hierophant on MM
Afterlife

Chronomis
03-21-2002, 07:22 PM
/sign

Chronomis
53 Druid, Povar

Depa Dura
03-21-2002, 08:45 PM
I'm happy to add my name to this list

/agree

Depa Dura
Heirophant of Valon
Terris Thule

Tollenn
03-21-2002, 08:46 PM
/agree.

Tollenn Surefoot
Templar of Warlords of Wrath
Rodcet Nife Server

Larreth
03-21-2002, 09:07 PM
/Agree with this. Druids were left behind in Kunark, and have never caught up. Our spells...our lifeblood, (cuz it sure as hell isnt our melee) are so outdated its sick.

Larreth Wolfsong
60 Druid
Fallen Legacy
Lanys

Kessel Icewind
03-21-2002, 09:10 PM
/agree

betina
03-21-2002, 09:40 PM
I agree.

Twiggetts
03-22-2002, 12:13 AM
I also agree. I semi-retired my druid due to the lack of high-level need for them. Even now, I'm only used for porting around guildmates as and when.

mluin
03-22-2002, 04:41 AM
/agree


Drinal server

Mistryl Corazon
03-22-2002, 04:54 AM
I agree!

Mistryl Corazon, 60 Druid, Solusek Ro

Kaidian Blade
03-22-2002, 05:20 AM
Very well stated. I wholeheartedly agree with every point.

Maporfic
03-22-2002, 05:54 AM
/AGREE

I have had my epic for less than a week, and already I see myself keeping it bagged more than half the time. Great stats, but the effect is TERRIBLE!

I agree with everything listed. And why NOT have PoTG stack with aego? Makes alot of sence to me.


Maporfic
58th Druid
New Dawn Rising
Torvonnilous

Galanthis16
03-22-2002, 06:26 AM
/agree
Galanthis Majere
Lvl 52 Druid
Legacy of Virtues
Veeshan Server

Feuille
03-22-2002, 07:40 AM
/agree wholeheartedly!

Feuille Toujoursverte
Hephalump
Officer of Crimson Watchers
Mithaniel Marr

Slappy77
03-22-2002, 08:00 AM
/agree

Lolly Wankenobi
jedi druid of rodcet

Daktari Plainsrunner
03-22-2002, 08:20 AM
When will this be sent in? Its perfect!

Daktari Plainrunner
60 Druid
Mith Marr

Cassea
03-22-2002, 08:22 AM
I already signed off on this but was currious. What is the game plan? Has this already been submitted or are we waiting for it to be signed off by as many people as possible?

IMHO this should be sent to Verant ASAP as they are doing changes now :)

Keep up the good work!

Scalee
03-22-2002, 08:27 AM
I agree whole heartedly,

I loved my druid and stopped playing him at 52, as the class specific need was non-existant. I believe the requests mentioned were basic enough to establish soon, and modest enough not to be a burden to any class.

I hope there are more plans to improve this wonderful class, but anything less than what is requested would be sad.

KaelinSoulSeeker
03-22-2002, 08:58 AM
/agree

Kaelin
Feir'dal Hierophant of the 60th Solstice
Rodcet Nife Server

Loralin Darkrising
03-22-2002, 10:56 AM
/Agree

Evadrepus
03-22-2002, 01:29 PM
*brushes off the dust*

Why not? You have to trust The Grove and the people in it.

/agree

Naeadil Mistwolf
03-22-2002, 02:35 PM
/agree

Clakar
03-22-2002, 03:12 PM
I agree

Send it on its way

I can only hope VI actually takes this well written document and actually acts on it.

58 Druid of the Nameless
Serenity Within

Klaen
03-22-2002, 03:50 PM
/agree. This gets my total support



Klaen
60 Heirophant of Karana
Dark Templars
Xegony

Evaklyn Sowfast
03-22-2002, 06:14 PM
I aggree with this.

Evaklyn
Lev 55 Druid
Twisted Fates
Prexus

toungarock
03-22-2002, 10:48 PM
I entireley agree
Hoping verant can make something

Tounga Aiguisemoica
Druid 60
Server Vallon Zek
Guilde "Nouvelle Alliance"

Psawed
03-23-2002, 12:21 AM
I would like to see these changes implemented.

Karanie
03-23-2002, 01:26 AM
Well written and quite balanced, i agree

Karanie
Level 60 Druid
Karana Server

williath
03-23-2002, 02:04 AM
I aggree
Thraen 54th Druid of Dreamcasters - Brell serillis

Chalise
03-23-2002, 06:26 AM
I agree.

55 druid. Cazic-Thule server

Thanatosdtw
03-23-2002, 07:02 AM
/agree

55 druid
Solusek Ro

Aeaolena
03-23-2002, 07:49 AM
/sign

The Druid was my first character, and the only character I have above lvl 18. I simply love my druid, and wish that those reading would consider to heart the recommendations mentiond here. Thankyou

Venerable Aeaolena Goldenmorning
60th Hierophant of Tribunal
Royal Norrathian Guard
~The Pocket Druid~

Exsyle
03-23-2002, 10:22 AM
/agree

Exsyle
50 druid, Quellious, as well as 69 levels of retired druids (can't seem to stay away from the class)

Kristov Demonstrike
03-23-2002, 01:39 PM
I quit playing my druid over a year ago (at level 55) because of everything mentioned here.

/agree

Every class has gotten upgraded over time and druids generally get the slap in the face (Nature Walkers Behest).

/sigh

/quit

Piocar
03-23-2002, 02:48 PM
Add me on..

Piocar Pondskipper
57 Druid of <Watchkeepers>
Tunare Server

Mullen Skywatcher
03-23-2002, 02:48 PM
I've put my level 60 Druid in retirement as the class seems broken to me. I hope that some changes are made to make me want to play the druid class again.

/e adds his signature to the manifesto

Raloda
03-23-2002, 05:08 PM
/Agree

Raloda Wolfsoul
60 Druid of <Relics>
Mith Marr

archeiron
03-23-2002, 05:51 PM
/agree

add me to the list

Archeiron
58 druid
Veeshan
Vinculum Invictus

Gabbil
03-23-2002, 07:12 PM
/sign

I agree with this. Please add my signature for the changes.

I am currently LVL 56 and find myself finding less and less reasons to play my druid. And playing my Shadow Knight Or Cleric.

Well hope these changes take place.

Thanks,

Gabbil Gatecrasher LVL 56 Preserver. On Mith Marr Server

Borevived Wolfheart
03-23-2002, 09:29 PM
x

Sonari2
03-23-2002, 09:50 PM
/agree

It has become painfully clear how difficult it is to feel useful at this end of the game.

Sonari Swiftspirit
55th Turn
Tunare server

Alyster Weedgrowwer
03-23-2002, 09:53 PM
Great letter, I fully support it.

Tunnen
03-23-2002, 11:50 PM
As a lvl 60 Druid of Vazaelle I also agree. /sign

vetoafauna
03-24-2002, 12:34 AM
well written, i agree as well

elder veto zhir'venhiruum, rodcet nife

KallamonDruid
03-24-2002, 12:37 AM
/agree wholeheartedly

Elawnah
03-24-2002, 01:44 AM
/agree

/sign!

=)

haillon
03-24-2002, 03:01 AM
/argree

Sofya Khaleeda
03-24-2002, 06:25 AM
In principle I agree to everything stated. Finding a group as a druid is getting to be more and more difficult. No one wants a druid anymore. We can't heal as good as other hybrid classes nor are we good at melee. Our utility is especially not sought if hunting on Luclin as the utility of evac is no longer viable and where there are consistently higher lvl mobs (i.e., Velks).
In lore, Druid powers (i.e., Merlin) far outclassed clerics, shamen, or other caster and healer classes. They used nature to heal; not faith or belief based healing (i.e., clerics or shamen) which required the patient to believe in the healing ability.

If anything, this does not go far enough. One easy way to increase utility is to decrease the time to cast heals; maybe we can't heal as much (something I do not agree with) but we could do it faster in an emergency. Or make a manaless device for druids to cast heals. It is time to balance things.

Korwyn
03-24-2002, 06:36 AM
/agree

It's time they balanced the Druid class.


Korwyn
60 Druid of The Nameless

charisa
03-24-2002, 07:09 AM
I add my complete support to this document

Measie
Druidess, Level 56
Erollisi marr

Zatrayel
03-24-2002, 07:29 AM
/agree

Zatrayel Darkwood
55 Druid of Ayonae Ro

Shanelles
03-24-2002, 07:49 AM
/agree

Shanelle Shywind
Hierophant of Red Sky
Bertoxx

figg griffonsquishins
03-24-2002, 01:36 PM
Agree strongly! Figg Griffonsquishins 59 epic druid of Unconquered on drinal, master of all trades.

owner of 4 accts, been playing since the week of EQ release

FyreStorm The Druid
03-24-2002, 03:58 PM
/Agree

Fyrestorm
lvl52 Druid
The Tribunal

geiun
03-24-2002, 05:00 PM
/agree


-Geiun 58 druid
Mith Marr

Justerd85
03-24-2002, 05:32 PM
just want to toss my /agree on this

[signature over limit]
justerd
56 druid
quellious
I like the Wizard of Oz
Do you?

Wegaden
03-24-2002, 05:57 PM
Totaly agree

Deneldor2
03-24-2002, 09:20 PM
Add 1 more to the /agree list.