Sealody

02-20-2003, 01:14 PM

What's the maxium wisdom you can get? I'm asking when you are 65 with full Planar Power and Innate Enlightenment.

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Sealody

02-20-2003, 01:14 PM

What's the maxium wisdom you can get? I'm asking when you are 65 with full Planar Power and Innate Enlightenment.

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Vintric

02-20-2003, 01:15 PM

355 I think

Scirocco

02-20-2003, 01:23 PM

355.

Sealody

02-20-2003, 01:29 PM

Wow.. that was fast, thanks guys!

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Saraden

02-22-2003, 01:17 PM

Did anyone ever figure out how much mana was produced for wisdom over 255?

Lynks Pineshade

02-22-2003, 01:18 PM

is it still 1/10th of your level?

Tatankawd

02-22-2003, 01:31 PM

The formula for mana is:

((11,250 * Level) + (33 * Wisdom * Level))/425

For values of Wisdom over 200. This formula was determined by one of the Magelo guys, with lots of data points provided by SEQ users.

At level 60, it works out to about an extra 4.66 mana per additional Wisdom, and about 5.05 mana per additional Wisdom at level 65.

For values of Wisdom up to 200, the formula is:

(Wisdom/5 + 2) * Level

Note that the first and second formulas both give the same value for a Wisdom of exactly 200.

Tat

((11,250 * Level) + (33 * Wisdom * Level))/425

For values of Wisdom over 200. This formula was determined by one of the Magelo guys, with lots of data points provided by SEQ users.

At level 60, it works out to about an extra 4.66 mana per additional Wisdom, and about 5.05 mana per additional Wisdom at level 65.

For values of Wisdom up to 200, the formula is:

(Wisdom/5 + 2) * Level

Note that the first and second formulas both give the same value for a Wisdom of exactly 200.

Tat

Aaeamdar

02-23-2003, 05:50 AM

I am curious how the first formula can be correct since it does not distiguish between wisdom above and below 200?

Tatankawd

02-23-2003, 02:00 PM

Not sure I understand your question.

For Wisdom values up to and including 200, use this:

(Wis/5 + 2) * Level

For Wisdom values of 200 or more, use this:

((11250 * Level) + (33 * Wisdom * Level))/425

The only time you can use EITHER formula is if your Wisdom (or INT, for Int casters) is exactly 200. For Wisdom of 200, both formulas yield the same value. If your Wisdom is higher or lower than 200, then you must use the appropriate formula.

Tat

For Wisdom values up to and including 200, use this:

(Wis/5 + 2) * Level

For Wisdom values of 200 or more, use this:

((11250 * Level) + (33 * Wisdom * Level))/425

The only time you can use EITHER formula is if your Wisdom (or INT, for Int casters) is exactly 200. For Wisdom of 200, both formulas yield the same value. If your Wisdom is higher or lower than 200, then you must use the appropriate formula.

Tat

Scirocco

02-23-2003, 03:20 PM

His point is that if the amount of mana generated by wisdom for the first 200 points of wisdom is the same, regardless of your total wisdom, then the base wisdom formula should apply to both cases. For druids with wisdom greater than 200, the mana formula would be the base wisdom formula plus some additional mana based on a different formula for the wisdom from 201-355.

Tatankawd

02-23-2003, 06:58 PM

Well I guess if the Magelo guy had worked the formulas that way, you would be correct, Scirocco. But he didn't. He came up with one formula (well, he didn't, the pre-200 formula had been around for ages) for WIS values up to 200, and a completely different formula for WIS values over 200. You don't need to "add" any base mana for WIS up to 200, since the formula for post-200 WIS automatically takes it into account.

Think of it this way. A 2 dimensional graph of WIS vs. mana pool (for a given level). The line representing the values is a straight line up to 200, then it changes directions (has a different slope) after 200. At 200, they meet. One equation is valid for values to 200, one equation is valid for values above 200. The lines meet at 200.

Look at this example:

Level 60 with 199 WIS (use the pre-200 formula):

(199/5 + 2) * 60 = 2508

Level 60 with 200 WIS (can use either formula, they are both valid at 200):

(200/5 + 2) * 60 = 2520

(11250*60 + 33*200*60)/425 = 2520

Now, level 60, WIS 201 (use the post-200 formula):

(11250*60 + 33*201*60)/425 = 2524.6588

Tat

Think of it this way. A 2 dimensional graph of WIS vs. mana pool (for a given level). The line representing the values is a straight line up to 200, then it changes directions (has a different slope) after 200. At 200, they meet. One equation is valid for values to 200, one equation is valid for values above 200. The lines meet at 200.

Look at this example:

Level 60 with 199 WIS (use the pre-200 formula):

(199/5 + 2) * 60 = 2508

Level 60 with 200 WIS (can use either formula, they are both valid at 200):

(200/5 + 2) * 60 = 2520

(11250*60 + 33*200*60)/425 = 2520

Now, level 60, WIS 201 (use the post-200 formula):

(11250*60 + 33*201*60)/425 = 2524.6588

Tat

Jhesair

02-24-2003, 06:29 AM

Something seems amiss here.

I have 280 wis + 965 mana...

Using the post 200 formula I got the result of 3857 total mana. Magelo says I have 4100, and after testing casting cost spells with percentages i come out closer to 4100.

Wassup?

I have 280 wis + 965 mana...

Using the post 200 formula I got the result of 3857 total mana. Magelo says I have 4100, and after testing casting cost spells with percentages i come out closer to 4100.

Wassup?

Scirocco

02-24-2003, 07:35 AM

Tat,

I understand the dual-slope theory. I was merely attempting to help you understand where Aaeamdar was coming from. I don't believe he sees that the first formula was incorporated in the second (it's not obvious).

Another way to derive a combined formula is to recognize that for any druid with wisdom greater than 200, the mana generated by all the wisdom up to 200 is a constant, based only on level. We know from the first formula that this constant is "42L" (or 42 times your Level).

This leaves only the wisdom beyond 200 to be accounted for (which we presume is another linear relationship with a different slope). To be accurate, we need to account for the difference in wisdom, or Wisdom - 200.

Thus, we have as a working formula:

Total Mana = 42 * L + (W-200) * L * m

where m is some constant.

This can also be expressed:

42L - 200Lm + WLm

(42-200m)L + mWL

The formula you gave is:

Total Mana = ((11250 * Level) + (33 * Wisdom * Level))/425

or

Total Mana = (26.47 * L) + (0.0776 * W * L)

Comparing this to the working formula above, we see that m = .0776 based on the second part. With this value of m, 42 - 200 m = 26.47, which matches the constant used in the second formula for the first part.

I trust this demonstrates the first formula IS incorporated in the second formula by being treated as a constant, and that the concept of Wis-200 also is used, it's just that the 200 has been factored into a numeric constant.

I understand the dual-slope theory. I was merely attempting to help you understand where Aaeamdar was coming from. I don't believe he sees that the first formula was incorporated in the second (it's not obvious).

Another way to derive a combined formula is to recognize that for any druid with wisdom greater than 200, the mana generated by all the wisdom up to 200 is a constant, based only on level. We know from the first formula that this constant is "42L" (or 42 times your Level).

This leaves only the wisdom beyond 200 to be accounted for (which we presume is another linear relationship with a different slope). To be accurate, we need to account for the difference in wisdom, or Wisdom - 200.

Thus, we have as a working formula:

Total Mana = 42 * L + (W-200) * L * m

where m is some constant.

This can also be expressed:

42L - 200Lm + WLm

(42-200m)L + mWL

The formula you gave is:

Total Mana = ((11250 * Level) + (33 * Wisdom * Level))/425

or

Total Mana = (26.47 * L) + (0.0776 * W * L)

Comparing this to the working formula above, we see that m = .0776 based on the second part. With this value of m, 42 - 200 m = 26.47, which matches the constant used in the second formula for the first part.

I trust this demonstrates the first formula IS incorporated in the second formula by being treated as a constant, and that the concept of Wis-200 also is used, it's just that the 200 has been factored into a numeric constant.

Batou062671

02-24-2003, 07:41 AM

((11250 * Level) + (33 * Wisdom * Level))/425

^^^^^^^^^^

The below 200 mana portion of the formula is included as this constant portion of the second equation. The part that caculates the post 200 mana is the 33*wisdom*level part.

See the original Magelo thread here: www.magelo.com/forum_flat..._num=44002 (http://www.magelo.com/forum_flat.html?mess_num=44002)

^^^^^^^^^^

The below 200 mana portion of the formula is included as this constant portion of the second equation. The part that caculates the post 200 mana is the 33*wisdom*level part.

See the original Magelo thread here: www.magelo.com/forum_flat..._num=44002 (http://www.magelo.com/forum_flat.html?mess_num=44002)

Scirocco

02-24-2003, 07:49 AM

By the way, here's a base mana chart for a Level 65 druid. This is only the mana derived from wisdom, of course.

WIS MANA

200_ _ _ _ 2730

201_ _ _ _ 2735.047059

202_ _ _ _ 2740.094118

203_ _ _ _ 2745.141176

204_ _ _ _ 2750.188235

205_ _ _ _ 2755.235294

206_ _ _ _ 2760.282353

207_ _ _ _ 2765.329412

208_ _ _ _ 2770.376471

209_ _ _ _ 2775.423529

210_ _ _ _ 2780.470588

211_ _ _ _ 2785.517647

212_ _ _ _ 2790.564706

213_ _ _ _ 2795.611765

214_ _ _ _ 2800.658824

215_ _ _ _ 2805.705882

216_ _ _ _ 2810.752941

217_ _ _ _ 2815.8

218_ _ _ _ 2820.847059

219_ _ _ _ 2825.894118

220_ _ _ _ 2830.941176

221_ _ _ _ 2835.988235

222_ _ _ _ 2841.035294

223_ _ _ _ 2846.082353

224_ _ _ _ 2851.129412

225_ _ _ _ 2856.176471

226_ _ _ _ 2861.223529

227_ _ _ _ 2866.270588

228_ _ _ _ 2871.317647

229_ _ _ _ 2876.364706

230_ _ _ _ 2881.411765

231_ _ _ _ 2886.458824

232_ _ _ _ 2891.505882

233_ _ _ _ 2896.552941

234_ _ _ _ 2901.6

235_ _ _ _ 2906.647059

236_ _ _ _ 2911.694118

237_ _ _ _ 2916.741176

238_ _ _ _ 2921.788235

239_ _ _ _ 2926.835294

240_ _ _ _ 2931.882353

241_ _ _ _ 2936.929412

242_ _ _ _ 2941.976471

243_ _ _ _ 2947.023529

244_ _ _ _ 2952.070588

245_ _ _ _ 2957.117647

246_ _ _ _ 2962.164706

247_ _ _ _ 2967.211765

248_ _ _ _ 2972.258824

249_ _ _ _ 2977.305882

250_ _ _ _ 2982.352941

251_ _ _ _ 2987.4

252_ _ _ _ 2992.447059

253_ _ _ _ 2997.494118

254_ _ _ _ 3002.541176

255_ _ _ _ 3007.588235

256_ _ _ _ 3012.635294

257_ _ _ _ 3017.682353

258_ _ _ _ 3022.729412

259_ _ _ _ 3027.776471

260_ _ _ _ 3032.823529

261_ _ _ _ 3037.870588

262_ _ _ _ 3042.917647

263_ _ _ _ 3047.964706

264_ _ _ _ 3053.011765

265_ _ _ _ 3058.058824

266_ _ _ _ 3063.105882

267_ _ _ _ 3068.152941

268_ _ _ _ 3073.2

269_ _ _ _ 3078.247059

270_ _ _ _ 3083.294118

271_ _ _ _ 3088.341176

272_ _ _ _ 3093.388235

273_ _ _ _ 3098.435294

274_ _ _ _ 3103.482353

275_ _ _ _ 3108.529412

276_ _ _ _ 3113.576471

277_ _ _ _ 3118.623529

278_ _ _ _ 3123.670588

279_ _ _ _ 3128.717647

280_ _ _ _ 3133.764706

281_ _ _ _ 3138.811765

282_ _ _ _ 3143.858824

283_ _ _ _ 3148.905882

284_ _ _ _ 3153.952941

285_ _ _ _ 3159

286_ _ _ _ 3164.047059

287_ _ _ _ 3169.094118

288_ _ _ _ 3174.141176

289_ _ _ _ 3179.188235

290_ _ _ _ 3184.235294

291_ _ _ _ 3189.282353

292_ _ _ _ 3194.329412

293_ _ _ _ 3199.376471

294_ _ _ _ 3204.423529

295_ _ _ _ 3209.470588

296_ _ _ _ 3214.517647

297_ _ _ _ 3219.564706

298_ _ _ _ 3224.611765

299_ _ _ _ 3229.658824

300_ _ _ _ 3234.705882

301_ _ _ _ 3239.752941

302_ _ _ _ 3244.8

303_ _ _ _ 3249.847059

304_ _ _ _ 3254.894118

305_ _ _ _ 3259.941176

306_ _ _ _ 3264.988235

307_ _ _ _ 3270.035294

308_ _ _ _ 3275.082353

309_ _ _ _ 3280.129412

310_ _ _ _ 3285.176471

311_ _ _ _ 3290.223529

312_ _ _ _ 3295.270588

313_ _ _ _ 3300.317647

314_ _ _ _ 3305.364706

315_ _ _ _ 3310.411765

316_ _ _ _ 3315.458824

317_ _ _ _ 3320.505882

318_ _ _ _ 3325.552941

319_ _ _ _ 3330.6

320_ _ _ _ 3335.647059

321_ _ _ _ 3340.694118

322_ _ _ _ 3345.741176

323_ _ _ _ 3350.788235

324_ _ _ _ 3355.835294

325_ _ _ _ 3360.882353

326_ _ _ _ 3365.929412

327_ _ _ _ 3370.976471

328_ _ _ _ 3376.023529

329_ _ _ _ 3381.070588

330_ _ _ _ 3386.117647

331_ _ _ _ 3391.164706

332_ _ _ _ 3396.211765

333_ _ _ _ 3401.258824

334_ _ _ _ 3406.305882

335_ _ _ _ 3411.352941

336_ _ _ _ 3416.4

337_ _ _ _ 3421.447059

338_ _ _ _ 3426.494118

339_ _ _ _ 3431.541176

340_ _ _ _ 3436.588235

341_ _ _ _ 3441.635294

342_ _ _ _ 3446.682353

343_ _ _ _ 3451.729412

344_ _ _ _ 3456.776471

345_ _ _ _ 3461.823529

346_ _ _ _ 3466.870588

347_ _ _ _ 3471.917647

348_ _ _ _ 3476.964706

349_ _ _ _ 3482.011765

350_ _ _ _ 3487.058824

351_ _ _ _ 3492.105882

352_ _ _ _ 3497.152941

353_ _ _ _ 3502.2

354_ _ _ _ 3507.247059

355_ _ _ _ 3512.294118

As you can see, for a level 65 druid, each additional point of wisdom gets you a little over 5 mana.

A level 60 druid with 355 wisdom? 3242. 5 levels gets you another 270 mana.

WIS MANA

200_ _ _ _ 2730

201_ _ _ _ 2735.047059

202_ _ _ _ 2740.094118

203_ _ _ _ 2745.141176

204_ _ _ _ 2750.188235

205_ _ _ _ 2755.235294

206_ _ _ _ 2760.282353

207_ _ _ _ 2765.329412

208_ _ _ _ 2770.376471

209_ _ _ _ 2775.423529

210_ _ _ _ 2780.470588

211_ _ _ _ 2785.517647

212_ _ _ _ 2790.564706

213_ _ _ _ 2795.611765

214_ _ _ _ 2800.658824

215_ _ _ _ 2805.705882

216_ _ _ _ 2810.752941

217_ _ _ _ 2815.8

218_ _ _ _ 2820.847059

219_ _ _ _ 2825.894118

220_ _ _ _ 2830.941176

221_ _ _ _ 2835.988235

222_ _ _ _ 2841.035294

223_ _ _ _ 2846.082353

224_ _ _ _ 2851.129412

225_ _ _ _ 2856.176471

226_ _ _ _ 2861.223529

227_ _ _ _ 2866.270588

228_ _ _ _ 2871.317647

229_ _ _ _ 2876.364706

230_ _ _ _ 2881.411765

231_ _ _ _ 2886.458824

232_ _ _ _ 2891.505882

233_ _ _ _ 2896.552941

234_ _ _ _ 2901.6

235_ _ _ _ 2906.647059

236_ _ _ _ 2911.694118

237_ _ _ _ 2916.741176

238_ _ _ _ 2921.788235

239_ _ _ _ 2926.835294

240_ _ _ _ 2931.882353

241_ _ _ _ 2936.929412

242_ _ _ _ 2941.976471

243_ _ _ _ 2947.023529

244_ _ _ _ 2952.070588

245_ _ _ _ 2957.117647

246_ _ _ _ 2962.164706

247_ _ _ _ 2967.211765

248_ _ _ _ 2972.258824

249_ _ _ _ 2977.305882

250_ _ _ _ 2982.352941

251_ _ _ _ 2987.4

252_ _ _ _ 2992.447059

253_ _ _ _ 2997.494118

254_ _ _ _ 3002.541176

255_ _ _ _ 3007.588235

256_ _ _ _ 3012.635294

257_ _ _ _ 3017.682353

258_ _ _ _ 3022.729412

259_ _ _ _ 3027.776471

260_ _ _ _ 3032.823529

261_ _ _ _ 3037.870588

262_ _ _ _ 3042.917647

263_ _ _ _ 3047.964706

264_ _ _ _ 3053.011765

265_ _ _ _ 3058.058824

266_ _ _ _ 3063.105882

267_ _ _ _ 3068.152941

268_ _ _ _ 3073.2

269_ _ _ _ 3078.247059

270_ _ _ _ 3083.294118

271_ _ _ _ 3088.341176

272_ _ _ _ 3093.388235

273_ _ _ _ 3098.435294

274_ _ _ _ 3103.482353

275_ _ _ _ 3108.529412

276_ _ _ _ 3113.576471

277_ _ _ _ 3118.623529

278_ _ _ _ 3123.670588

279_ _ _ _ 3128.717647

280_ _ _ _ 3133.764706

281_ _ _ _ 3138.811765

282_ _ _ _ 3143.858824

283_ _ _ _ 3148.905882

284_ _ _ _ 3153.952941

285_ _ _ _ 3159

286_ _ _ _ 3164.047059

287_ _ _ _ 3169.094118

288_ _ _ _ 3174.141176

289_ _ _ _ 3179.188235

290_ _ _ _ 3184.235294

291_ _ _ _ 3189.282353

292_ _ _ _ 3194.329412

293_ _ _ _ 3199.376471

294_ _ _ _ 3204.423529

295_ _ _ _ 3209.470588

296_ _ _ _ 3214.517647

297_ _ _ _ 3219.564706

298_ _ _ _ 3224.611765

299_ _ _ _ 3229.658824

300_ _ _ _ 3234.705882

301_ _ _ _ 3239.752941

302_ _ _ _ 3244.8

303_ _ _ _ 3249.847059

304_ _ _ _ 3254.894118

305_ _ _ _ 3259.941176

306_ _ _ _ 3264.988235

307_ _ _ _ 3270.035294

308_ _ _ _ 3275.082353

309_ _ _ _ 3280.129412

310_ _ _ _ 3285.176471

311_ _ _ _ 3290.223529

312_ _ _ _ 3295.270588

313_ _ _ _ 3300.317647

314_ _ _ _ 3305.364706

315_ _ _ _ 3310.411765

316_ _ _ _ 3315.458824

317_ _ _ _ 3320.505882

318_ _ _ _ 3325.552941

319_ _ _ _ 3330.6

320_ _ _ _ 3335.647059

321_ _ _ _ 3340.694118

322_ _ _ _ 3345.741176

323_ _ _ _ 3350.788235

324_ _ _ _ 3355.835294

325_ _ _ _ 3360.882353

326_ _ _ _ 3365.929412

327_ _ _ _ 3370.976471

328_ _ _ _ 3376.023529

329_ _ _ _ 3381.070588

330_ _ _ _ 3386.117647

331_ _ _ _ 3391.164706

332_ _ _ _ 3396.211765

333_ _ _ _ 3401.258824

334_ _ _ _ 3406.305882

335_ _ _ _ 3411.352941

336_ _ _ _ 3416.4

337_ _ _ _ 3421.447059

338_ _ _ _ 3426.494118

339_ _ _ _ 3431.541176

340_ _ _ _ 3436.588235

341_ _ _ _ 3441.635294

342_ _ _ _ 3446.682353

343_ _ _ _ 3451.729412

344_ _ _ _ 3456.776471

345_ _ _ _ 3461.823529

346_ _ _ _ 3466.870588

347_ _ _ _ 3471.917647

348_ _ _ _ 3476.964706

349_ _ _ _ 3482.011765

350_ _ _ _ 3487.058824

351_ _ _ _ 3492.105882

352_ _ _ _ 3497.152941

353_ _ _ _ 3502.2

354_ _ _ _ 3507.247059

355_ _ _ _ 3512.294118

As you can see, for a level 65 druid, each additional point of wisdom gets you a little over 5 mana.

A level 60 druid with 355 wisdom? 3242. 5 levels gets you another 270 mana.

Tatankawd

02-24-2003, 07:55 AM

"Something seems amiss here.

I have 280 wis + 965 mana...

Using the post 200 formula I got the result of 3857 total mana. Magelo says I have 4100, and after testing casting cost spells with percentages i come out closer to 4100.

Wassup?"

Check your math. I get the same number as Magelo.

Tat

I have 280 wis + 965 mana...

Using the post 200 formula I got the result of 3857 total mana. Magelo says I have 4100, and after testing casting cost spells with percentages i come out closer to 4100.

Wassup?"

Check your math. I get the same number as Magelo.

Tat

Scirocco

02-24-2003, 08:03 AM

Jhess:

With 280 wisdom, you have base 3134 mana. Add in the 965, and you get 4099, which is what magelo gives you (taking into account rounding).

With 280 wisdom, you have base 3134 mana. Add in the 965, and you get 4099, which is what magelo gives you (taking into account rounding).

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