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Nothar
06-10-2003, 10:02 PM
Shamelessly stolen from Eqdruids board.

<a href="http://pub149.ezboard.com/feqdruids24038frm1.showMessage?topicID=4348.topic" target="top">Flag rewards</a>

For those too lazy to click the link over, the guy reports on Test that there is now a new NPC that you can talk to that will give you a couple of options for rewards for flags

1) A new Charm item that increases in power the more flags you have. (Exact stats not posted)

2) XP granted based on number of flags you have attained. (Report of 54% Regular XP in 64 for 3 flags)


My selfish reaction to this is to wonder if there will be any reward for those that quested the Alternate entry quests. Those quests resulted in a key to your keyring instead of an actual character flag, so I fear that we will not reap any rewards for doing the quests to gain access to CoD, HoH, Torment or Tactics.

Bippwinno
06-10-2003, 10:24 PM
In my eyes the reward for those quest was the ability to hunt in the zones, no need for an extra reward for the alternative quests.

Yrys
06-10-2003, 10:25 PM
There is a reward for the alternate entry quests - sorta. It rewards you if you have the key or the flag, but it won't reward you twice if you have both.

Got 6 aa (total, not each) for having valor-storms-hoh-bot-tactics-torment flags. The stats on the charm are quite nice as well.

Of course the usual, it's Test and might change :p , but it's more than I expected as-is... pretty happy with it.

Aidon Rufflefuzz
06-10-2003, 11:56 PM
So how do you get both the charm and the xp? heh

Noliniel
06-10-2003, 11:59 PM
Kinda sucky reward imo. But you can't expect SOE to give you anything better

random user
06-11-2003, 12:03 AM
My guess is that getting both the charm and the aa may be a bug, as they just took down the npc on test and said that they found a bug with it and it'll be up in a day or so.

Edit:

Check out
forums.interealms.com/ran...adid=24495 (http://forums.interealms.com/ranger/showthread.php?threadid=24495)

An excerpt (he had 3 flags I believe):

My charm was this:

Intricate Wooden Figurine
Slot: Charm
AC 5
Dex 4
Wis 3
Agi 4
HP 27
Mana 24
ALL RESISTS 3
Wt 0.1
Class: RNG (Its dependant on your class, Rogues charms wont have Mana and have different ammounts etc)

I asked an elemental flagged ranger (Thank you, Cloudwraite) what his stats were (He had all flags except Time):

AC 15
Dex 13
Sta 9
Wis 9
Agi 13
HP 81
Mana 72
ALL RESISTS 9

Im going to take a wild stab at *ALL 10 FLAGS*
(This is just a guess, since there are no Time flagged people on Test)
AC 16 (1.6 per flag)
Dex 15 (1.5 per flag)
Sta 10 (1 per flag)
Wis 10 (1 per flag)
Agi 15 (1.5 per flag)
HP 90 (9 per flag)
Mana 80 (8 per flag)
ALL RESISTS 10 (1 per flag)

End excerpt

Given the quality of this charm, I find it *highly* doubtful that you are given both the xp and the charm. My guess is you will have to choose one or the other (and you would be silly to take the aa, assuming this charm isn't obtainable in any other way).

- Xylem, E'ci

Aidon Rufflefuzz
06-11-2003, 12:26 AM
I can think of some instances where the AA would be better than the charm heh.

Yrys
06-11-2003, 12:34 AM
The bug was related to actually losing exp under some circumstances, instead of gaining it, apparently.

I'm guessing that getting both exp and charm is deliberate, as a GM was sitting there watching as we talked to the reward NPC earlier.

random user
06-11-2003, 12:42 AM
Wow both would be pretty sweet; I hope it is true!

And out of curiousity, what situations would the aa be better? (Besides having a better charm, if such things exist.)

- Xylem, E'ci

Aidon Rufflefuzz
06-11-2003, 01:00 AM
I know a few people who, of late, have been looking to server transfer to another guild. Why take the charm if you'll loose it in the near future?

Palarran
06-11-2003, 01:01 AM
What I want to know is, will rewards be given after the patch if you've already hailed him? I'm missing access to torment right now, and a guildmate only needs the PoD drop to complete the quest. I'm wondering if I should wait to hail the NPC until that quest is finished, or if I"ll be able to hail him twice...

tinsi
06-11-2003, 01:06 AM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I know a few people who, of late, have been looking to server transfer to another guild. Why take the charm if you'll loose it in the near future?[/quote]

Charm is still better than AA, they just have to wait to talk to the npc until after the transfer :)

Hihi, if the reports from test are correct and if this change goes in today's patch and if we can get both charm and xp, I shall finally ding elder. Hooray! (That's a lot of if's, but a girl can dream, can't she?)

Tils
06-11-2003, 01:09 AM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I know a few people who, of late, have been looking to server transfer to another guild. Why take the charm if you'll loose it in the near future?[/quote]

Depends on the server...if ya move to Venril Sathir, Kael or Sebilis Servers you keep everything you have and get Stormhammer level GM support on them.

Tils

Aidon Rufflefuzz
06-11-2003, 01:10 AM
Hehe, if we can get the XP and the charm...and I can get in a group in BoT, before I quit tomorrow, I should finally be an Elder.

I've found that I have alot more time for XPing when I'm not in a raiding guild lol.

Overies
06-11-2003, 01:20 AM
if we get the exp and the charm then i think ill hit 65 ^_^

Feebbil
06-11-2003, 01:27 AM
The charm looks pretty nice. For casual players with out many flags, and AA's it might be better to take the AA IMO.

Would be interesting to know, if its posibel to hail the NPC again as u progres with flags, and upgrade the charm, or we will be stuck with the charm we get first time we hail ?

Northerner
06-11-2003, 02:02 AM
AAs are relatively accessible and frankly not that hard to obtain. A decent (90+HP?!?) Charm is a new thing and obviously one would want to flag up before talking to the NPC. The real question is one of "is this a limited time offer* or can one finish PoT etc flags and then have a yap with the charming one?

EDIT: sig removal, no longer germane

OttoeMobeel
06-11-2003, 02:16 AM
well if it works like every other charm in the game so far, you would be able to get it whenever you feel like hailing the NPC, and the stats would upgrade as you attained more flags..... thats the gimmick of charms, they don't have "set" stats.... the stats get better as you meet the requirements

so you could get the charm as soon as you pass the trials, and then try to work on improving it over time by collecting more flags

Teaamilie
06-11-2003, 02:24 AM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>if the reports from test are correct and if this change goes in today's patch[/quote]

Sadly it won't make today's patch.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The reward for planar progression will be available this week. We found an issue with part of the reward on Test server, and are in the process of fixing it. This is a top priority and we plan to bring it to all live servers this week.[/quote]

tinsi
06-11-2003, 03:44 AM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The reward for planar progression will be available this week. We found an issue with part of the reward on Test server, and are in the process of fixing it. This is a top priority and we plan to bring it to all live servers this week.[/quote]

Which is sony-speak for "We'll patch again later this week", which yet again is playeresque for "Yey, even more repops!". :)

TeiaLiscious
06-11-2003, 05:39 AM
Aidon - I'd first do the transfer and then the quest if I were them. Start on the new server with a smokin' charm :D !

ElliseEQ
06-11-2003, 07:18 AM
Elemental flagged AND Inner Acrylia key...

Hmm..

From lucy (w/ max stats?): [keep in mind the stats are NOT for a druid doing the quest, obviously]

<a href="http://lucy.fnord.net/item.html?id=35014" target="top">Intricate Wooden Figurine</a>
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: CHARM
AC: 12
STA: +10 CHA: +15 INT: +15 AGI: +10 HP: +80 MANA: +100
SV FIRE: +10 SV DISEASE: +10 SV COLD: +10 SV MAGIC: +10 SV POISON: +10
Required level of 51.
WT: 0.1 Size: TINY
Class: ENC
Race: ALL
Charm Effect: CHRMPoPAccess

<a href="http://lucy.fnord.net/item.html?id=5972" target="top">Hollow Acrylia Obelisk</a>
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: CHARM
AC: 8
STR: +7 STA: +7 CHA: +7 WIS: +5 INT: +5 HP: +45 MANA: +40
SV FIRE: +8 SV DISEASE: +8 SV COLD: +8 SV MAGIC: +8 SV POISON: +8
Effect: Reclamation (Worn)
WT: 7.0 Size: SMALL
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
Charm Effect: CHRMAcryliaKey



Sounds like the Hollow Acrylia Obelisk is still a worthless piece of junk~ Unless being a different classes changes things, SOE screwed up the reward yet once again...

Batou062671
06-11-2003, 08:11 AM
Considering the effort many players went though to get the flags in the first place, I don't see getting both the charm and the AA XP hugely unbalancing. Though if I had to choose, I'd get the charm because the AA XP is most likely a one time thing, whereas the charm continues to scale up as you progress though PoP

Solovey
06-11-2003, 09:22 AM
Question, If you get flaged now, or in the future, can you use those flags to gain the AA points or the charm?

Or is this only for those who already had the flags before the patch?

random user
06-11-2003, 09:38 AM
They should be able to zone patch PoK to add the NPC when they fix it, so no need for a full patch.

- Xylem, E'ci

Aidon Rufflefuzz
06-11-2003, 10:20 AM
Bleh and I was hoping to be an elder today.

Fayne Dethe
06-11-2003, 10:29 AM
Inner Acrylia key/charm isnt as worthless as you think. No one has maxed it out yet as far as I know cause faction was added this patch. Some guy said his charm was already up to 70 hp/mana and 8 hp regen. If the inner acrylia charm maxes out at 100 hp/mana, then it will be alot better than the flag charm for those flagged for time cause of the extra regen.

ElliseEQ
06-11-2003, 11:17 AM
Point is, they can't use both rewards - only one. Even if the IA key is better than the flag charm, then it means the flag charm is useless...

..Unless of course, they had intended to give AA points -OR- a charm, not both. Then the reward for doing the IA key quest is an upgrade to the flag charm and ~10 AA points (if you do faction work)?

Oldoaktree
06-11-2003, 11:30 AM
...the charm that a few hundred thousand people use get nerfed (or become a choice) in the interests of the perhaps 2000 people who have hte innter acryllia key.

Seems like if anything needs to be done it is on the acryllia key.

And considering the number of times some of us have repeated the same flag fights to do backflagging that is now not needed, I think the both solution is a good reward.

ElliseEQ
06-11-2003, 11:37 AM
I totally agree, the IA key needs fixing not the flag charm if they are giving AA points in addition to a charm for PoP flags.

BUT, I'm willing to bet that the reason they couldn't implement the flag charm npc yet is because they screwed up. On test, they saw that it was giving AAs -AND- a charm, and they permakilled it on test and are waiting to fix it to put it on the live servers.

I like the idea of a charm and AAs, but I doubt they'll give both out that way. Most people will take the charm, because AAs come quickly enough.. but for those of us who have the IA key, we can take the AAs~ which would basically be getting the time we spent on the key back... I guess..

Oldoaktree
06-11-2003, 11:42 AM
Other posters indicated that the problem was that it gave regular experience instead of AAXP, and players on test said GM's watched them get BOTH rewards.

Also the patch message says charm AND AA. Not Or.

Dangerous to overread any message but it does imply that the intention was both. We will see though.

ElliseEQ
06-11-2003, 11:46 AM
Oh, well, that's cool then. I didn't read it -that- closely, but I'm sure you're right.

So.. the IA itimesink reward still needs some work. It is only a slight upgrade over the PoP timesink reward, and only after sinking even more time into killing more grimmlings. :(

Alyn Cross
06-11-2003, 12:53 PM
so..... i've seen the ranger charm. i've seen the enchanter charm.... i've seen the beastlord charm.....

anyone actually have stats on the druid charm, since it's class specific?

alyn cross
forces unknown

Nimphe Wildwood
06-11-2003, 01:09 PM
You owe me hugs Alyn :)

<a href="http://lucy.fnord.net/item.html?id=35006" target="top">Inctricate Wooden Figurine - Druid</a>

ElliseEQ
06-11-2003, 01:24 PM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>ac16 14 str,sta,dex,agi 10int/wis 90hp/80mana 15 to all resists when you max your faction[/quote]Stats on the IA key when you've maxed your faction :lol:
Link - pub146.ezboard.com/fringo...1225.topic (http://pub146.ezboard.com/fringofvalor44669frm1.showMessage?topicID=1225.top ic)

tanyenwoodelf
06-11-2003, 02:09 PM
Charm and AAxp for flags are now Live.

5 Flags.

Charm for Druid:
7AC
5Sta
7Agi
7Wis
5Cha
40Hp
50Mana
5Save all

Apparently, Charisma must be of some importance for a Druid.
What it is I have no idea.

Lalian
06-11-2003, 02:20 PM
I found a bug in it... Even though I can zone into Torment and did the hedge maze thing, it doesn't seem to be giving me credit for it on either the charm or aa.

Mocean
06-11-2003, 02:21 PM
Maybe charming or harmony resists...

Sylphan2
06-11-2003, 02:43 PM
I'm an enchanter with four flags: trials, BoT, HoH by quest, Tactics by quest. I got four AA. My Intricate Wooden Figurine is:

MAGIC LORE NODROP
AC 4
STA 4
CHA 6
INT 6
AGI 4
HP 32
MANA 40
allsaves 4
CLASS: ENC
RACE: ALL

It appears that each flag adds AC 1 STA 1 AGI 1 CHA 1 WIS(or INT) 1 HP 8 MANA 10 allsaves 1... but casters start with 2 CHA and 2 WIS/INT while melee types start with 2 AC and 2 STA. But that's not the whole story since rangers, for instance, seem to get more HP and less mana than casters.

It appears that there are a maximum of 7 (seven) AAs given out, for: trials, BoT, HoH, CoD, Torment, Tactics, SolRo. The pseudo-flags from quests that give you access to those zones do give AA and charm stats, just as if you had the real flag. The hedge maze, BoT tower key, factory access in PoI, Aerin'dar key, Temple of Marr access, and other misc things don't seem to count.

tinsi
06-11-2003, 03:04 PM
Elemental flagged, no gods in elementals killed:

<img src="http://brainman.dk/pictures/figurine.gif" style="border:0;"/>

Golbo
06-11-2003, 03:06 PM
Plane of time flagged.

Mine is....

14ac
10sta
10cha
15wis
15agi
80hp
100mana
10sv all.

Teaamilie
06-11-2003, 03:09 PM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Apparently, Charisma must be of some importance for a Druid.
What it is I have no idea.[/quote]

KNow when you hear "Damn druids" when someone complains about a druid taking a pet from a camp?

That's what CHA is for. :)

Panamah
06-11-2003, 03:14 PM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I found a bug in it... Even though I can zone into Torment and did the hedge maze thing, it doesn't seem to be giving me credit for it on either the charm or aa. [/quote]

Did you kill terris Thule or do the Torment quest? Hedge Maze only gets you to PoNb, so you can go kill Miss Thule.

Nimphe Wildwood
06-11-2003, 04:06 PM
I have SS's but here is what you get when you "tell stories":

...Everything turned glass by the dragon! That must be a sight, he exclaims. 'Wish I could go there', he sighs.
<strong>Aerin'Dar</strong> Flag. (sorry I only got half of this SS recorded).

...Gram shudders as you tell him of the <strong>Crypt of Decay</strong>. 'A foul place indeed. I would have loved to slay a few of those creatures, though. 'His hand clenches and his eyes look past you. 'Ah, the battles I used to have, he mutters.'

Gram listens attentively to your story of the <strong>Plane of Torment</strong>. 'Ravens with bloody eyes,' he muses, 'and creatures with four mouthes?' He shakes his head. 'Never in my day did I see such things.'

'Animated suits of armor, eh?' Gram says as you tell him of <strong>Halls of Honor</strong>. 'Saw something like that once, but never so many as that. 'His eyes get a faraway look. 'If only I still had my youth!'

'Giants and a huge fortress? 'Gram sighs wistfully as you finish your story of the <strong>Bastion of Thunder</strong>. 'Storming thru a place like that, killing everything in sight - those were good days.'

The dorf grins excitedly at your description of the Plane of Tactics. 'I'd show the minions of <strong>Rallos Zek</strong> something, I would! he exclaims, swinging his hands around as though wielding an axe. He sits down again and looks sadly at his aged hands.

Gram strokes his bread thoughtfully as you tell him of the <strong>Tower of Solusek Ro</strong>. 'The burning prince himself. A worthy opponent, I'm sure, he says. 'Thank you for the tales, Nimphe. It's good to imagine these places, even if I may never see them.'

He stopped talking to me at this point, even though I have one (Fennin Ro) of the 4 Elemental Gods.

Here's my Charm stat:
Intricate Wooden Figurine
Slot: CHARM
AC: 12
STR: +9 STA: +9 WIS: +13 AGI: +13 HP: +72 MANA: +90
SV FIRE: +9 SV DISEASE: +9 SV COLD: +9 SV MAGIC: +9 SV POISON: +9
Required level of 51.
WT: 0.1 Size: Tiny
Class: DRU
Race: ALL

Hope this helps. :)

Seriena
06-11-2003, 04:08 PM
I'm very happy with this reward for the flags. I got 6aa's on both of my toons (talk about a time saver!) plus some pretty nice charms (so glad I never wasted time in LoY for those worthless things!).

So, THANK YOU SoE. Whoever came up with this idea, deserves a raise ;)

TeriMoon
06-11-2003, 06:08 PM
Agreed.

Kudos to SOE for making the reward a nice one, and for realizing that it was ok to drop these flags and allow people to exp in these zones.

Great decisions from my perspective.

Xitix
06-11-2003, 07:14 PM
Think it's not normal exp because then people could group and with the group bonus get a lot more exp than was intended. For example 6 people group and doing it for 6*1.8/5= 2.16 AA per 'AA' reward. Or for those without time about 15AA instead of the 7 you get in straight AA now.

Saraden
06-11-2003, 07:19 PM
This is wishful thinking but if you get a flag after talking to him and talk to him again, I don't suppose he gives you more xp then :) So if you are going to get some flags soon, I suppose you should wait to go talk to him and get your charm and xp after the flags. This seems kind of silly though when you look at it this way and thus my wishful thinking about xp by talking to him again after a new flag. I am going to assume the charm scales up correctly if you get a flag after getting the charm.

VillinEQ
06-11-2003, 07:38 PM
Think they probablly would flag the account at the current set of flags they have today so thats all you could get for aaxp, but with every new plane u enter you still gain stats on charm.

Personally while it is a good charm, I think they should have given a bit more on the aaxp side it wasnt 1 roll thru a boss to get a flag some guilds took 100+ ppl thru events and had to do it several times and in one push of a enter key they opened up the zones with imho minimal level restrictions.

Nothing we can do now guess something is better then nothing as they say.

Saraden
06-11-2003, 07:55 PM
Well I just did it with 100% going to regualr xp and it gave me an AA point for each flag instead of going to regular xp.

Remi
06-11-2003, 08:40 PM
I heard there was a max of 10 flags being given credit. As near as I can figure it works out like this.

I got 6 AA's.

I'm flagged for:
1. PoV/Pos (trial)
2. Torment (Terris Thule)
3. CoD (Grummus)
4. Tactics (Behemoth)
5. BoT (Askr Quest)
6. Halls of Honor (Aerin Dar)

So, I'm guessing the missing 4 are:
7. Sol Ro Temple
8. Plane of Fire
9. Planes of earth/air/water
10. Time

I'm also flagged for Temple of Marr, but it appears no Figurine credit for that.

Tilia Gentlepaw
06-11-2003, 09:31 PM
the elemental gods do not count toward the AA's reward. max AA's you can get is 7; the seven Nimphe listed in her post. if you have access to ele planes the charm will get one step better once you're in time. at least that's what we've gathered together from my guild. the flags that count toward the AA exp reward seem only to be some flags the gain you access to new planes. you don't get a flag when you down an elemental god "just" the time key piece so that makes sense i guess.

also...you remember when they first told us about this reward? what did we all do? "oh i hope it's this or this." a common answer was AA points. that's great we got them. but then you have folks that have hundreds of AA's that just don't NEED anymore. so then there was the charm idea. This charm blows any of the LoY charms I have seen out of the water. and what did sony do? they gave us both! i say excellent job on the reward. absolutely excellent.

Nimphe Wildwood
06-11-2003, 09:38 PM
Remi - If there were 10 total, then I should have gotten another text message and AA point for Fennin Ro, which I didn't.

But hey, I'm not complaining! :)

Nuvian Caelestis
06-11-2003, 09:40 PM
He stopped talking to me at this point, even though I have one (Fennin Ro) of the 4 Elemental Gods.

Elemental gods don't count as they don't give flags, they give items that combine to get you into potime. The first time you zone into potime you get an actual character flag, thats where the last 8hp + other misc increases come from. Oh and 7aa total was reward for having all flags.

14ac
10sta
10cha
15wis
15agi
80hp
100mana
10sv all.

Are the final stats, assuming theres no flags in time to get, which is prolly a safe assumption.

Nimphe Wildwood
06-11-2003, 09:44 PM
Aye Nuvian, after reading more of people's responses, makes perfect sense now.

Meperidine
06-11-2003, 10:04 PM
but gosh dont you feel sorry for all those people who spent loads of time in yakland trying to get ANYTHING to put in their charm slot? i sure do

borblefoot furtoe
06-11-2003, 11:14 PM
but gosh dont you feel sorry for all those people who spent loads of time in yakland trying to get ANYTHING to put in their charm slot? i sure do

Not really. Me being one of those people who have spent loads of time in LOY without getting a charm yet. While the experience there is only so so. The loot in PP terms is very very nice. There are also some decent upgrades for a 50-60 toon who does not yet have access to places like VT,NTOV, elemental planes etc etc.

So time I have spent there and will spend there in the future is hardly wasted.

Borblefoot Furtoe
58th season druid
Firiona Vie Server

Lalian
06-12-2003, 07:29 AM
Panamah,

You are correct. I didn't realize that PoNb wasn't Torment. Is that not one of the zones they opened?

Autumn10
06-12-2003, 07:36 AM
The rewards were good. The charm will actually increase with something I can accomplish instead of something that doesn't even apply to me. I was happy with the compensation but NOT with the exp hit. :(

Yeawenette
06-12-2003, 07:36 AM
That's correct.

PoNb is a raid zone for Terris Thule, nothing more. There are maybe 30 or so guards to clear before engaging TT, but it's not a zone most people would ever consider exp'ing in.

Stormfront
06-12-2003, 07:40 AM
I couldn't be more happy with the rewards. Kudos to SoE for implementing a reward that actually felt like one!

ccLothar
06-12-2003, 08:07 AM
Yep, I'll give them their props on this one. Good job!