I just need to rant! I love most clerics, enjoy grouping with them, will do my best to help heal them and back up heal...

But yesterday, I had this cleric in my group who insisted on pacifying EVERY pull even though we had an enchanter who was more than capable of mezzing, and a group that could use assist properly. Rather than nuking or anything to add to our dps, she ran off to other areas to pacify them ahead of time...

When we got a pull of three, she couldn't get off a heal in time, and two people went down before I got off evac. (Stupid me, I should have gotten off a heal on the tank and died from healing agro.....)

The whole time she talked about how bored she was by LDoN, how trivial everything was to her... and then admitted that she'd lost one third of the attempts she'd made so far in that theme.

Okay, rant done! I feel better now! Thanks!

A couple days ago, I got a group in MMC with my 32 Bard. Now, he's pretty twinked and I'd like to think I'm pretty good at playing him. Well, the warrior *insists* on pulling, even though the group wanted me to lull pull (I'm pretty fast with this). He ran into every room as I was pulling aggro'ing everything and then nearly dying and taking the shaman healer with him before I could get stuff mez-locked. What makes it worse is he would yell when I stole aggro from him, even after I explained that I had 400 more hps than he did. We still won, but how annoying. Oh did I mention, he was a pulling warrior, he didn't want to tank, but he complained if I did!

Yay for pickup groups !

haha, sounds fun!

There's a cleric that's a friend of a friend who hangs around once in a while that constantly tells the druids in her group to not heal HER tanks. It's a big joke in our group of friends.

One time grouping with her in tactics, I was boxing my monk and druid in the group, she was healing the tank and my monk was going down in hps. So, I patched up my monk. No biggy right? She was in the middle of a CH. Apparently, that was the crime of the century and after that she refused to heal my monk at all. Said, fine I just won't heal your monk. Like that was punishing me or something.

The last time I got in a group with her, my friend said (laced with sarcasm) she said that if you're in the group that you can't heal. So, I told her that I replaced all my heals with nukes and dots.

Sure enough, she started a heal late and started screaming "Patch him!!!" I said "Sorry, you told me that I couldn't heal" :)

I know it isn't the case with everyone but for me I didn't get to 65 by accident. I don't like it when people tell me how to play and so I don't tell others how to play.

However, to add to this story session....

Its a Takish Hiz pickup group. Enchanter, paladin (me), druid, mage (who the story is about) and two others. We are going along well, the enchanter doing the pulling and the rest of us doing whatever we could to get the group through to a win. Everyone except the mage.

A mage is very nice to have, they can blow stuff up, they come with a 7th group member and they can give you nice damage shields. They also have another feature that this particular mage must hate with a passion. They make mod rods.

All of us who do LDON adventures knows that you must do whatever you can to finish one of these successfully. Less downtime means more chance for success. Sometimes that means I heal, sometimes that means I pull trains. Sometimes that means I root. Usually all of any of these in any one session. Every other class has similar multiple tasks they are capable of and when they do them it makes the entire group work better.

Well, the casters are needing mana. Particularly the enchanter. She asks for a mod rod from the mage. The mage EXPLODES about how she refuses to make a mod rod. She isn't for mana regeneration she is for DPS. If they want mana, sit and med. We tried to explain to her that she is here for DPS but the enchanter also needs a rod so she can continue to pull and thus enable us a better chance to win. The mage refuses. Instead, she gates out leaving just the five of us to finish.

After a short time of blinking at one another and subsequently agreeing that this mage is /ignore material, we move on and get the points anyway.

/blink at all the stories

jeez...some people are such morons!

Group with your guildies ! These things won't happen anymore ! Pick up group sucks sucks =p

Group with your guildies ! These things won't happen anymore ! Pick up group sucks sucks =p

Uh, playing a twink that's not possible goofball :) Or atleast, not always possible. Friend has a shammy that duo's with me sometimes !

I know it isn't the case with everyone but for me I didn't get to 65 by accident. I don't like it when people tell me how to play and so I don't tell others how to play.

I gotta say, no offense intended although I am picking on you, but I learned a hell of a lot from other people. Then I get in a group with a paladin that can't keep aggro or an SK -- hard to believe but it happens a lot, I make a suggestion or two on how they might keep aggro better and you get this "don't tell me how to play my class". Grrrrr.

If someone isn't doing a good job I definitely will ask them to change what they're doing. I'm not going to let some prima-donna risk an adventure in order to preserve their ego.

An wow! That cleric sounds pretty stinky. I find it hard to believe how bad some clerics can be. I mean, I two-box mine on a normal adventure, it just isn't that hard!

Uh, playing a twink that's not possible goofball Or atleast, not always possible. Friend has a shammy that duo's with me sometimes !

Hmm you guys must short on twinks then ! =p

Make a nogroup list, saves you trouble in the future. There's enough retarded players out there in the pickup scene to warrent it, especially when dealing with hard missions.

You can start compiling your no group list from the corpses littered outside of any adventure zone in. Great reference point for people you might not want to do an adventure with. ;)

Can you get to level 65 and not know how to play your character?? Absolutely yes!! While most 65s play well, I've seen my share of level 65 players that are pleasant enough, but incompetent. Do I tell them when they need direction? (i.e. Don't break mezz, that's the main tank's roll; don't follow the puller, let him pull to you; move back so the mob you are hitting doesn't get healed by the rooted caster) Absolutely yes.

Do people give me directions or advice. (i.e. use your damageless root, it lasts longer and avoids aggro; Don't snare so early, you get aggro and reduces DPS because melees have to reposition themselves). Absolutely yes.

I'm level 65 and I'm still learning a lot. Most of what I learn relates to the ability of other classes, and how a druid can complement those abilities.

We all have egos, but when those egos interfere with success in an adventure, I will simply choose different adventure mates next time.

Thicket

Well, to date I've heard...

He isn't you... (reference to another paladin who had to do a POJ trial so It was best I didn't go too.)

I thought all paladins sucked until you.

I didn't know paladins could heal like that. (random enchanter when things looked bad after the cleric died on a bad pull)

Then I've heard....

Use 1hs and shield its better than 2h.

Don't attack anything, just heal. ( right after that they had a bad pull and if I didn't get up and do something they would have wiped. I was 30 something in solb at the time when Kunark was just out.)

So, think I have a super inflated ego all you like. When someone leading a raid says to do something, I do it. When someone who is a necro tells me to do something that is absolutely wrong, I don't. The later is where it gets sticky, the people in some of these stories believe they are right and can't be swayed anyway. Just as I believe I am right. I'm not a cookie cutter paladin. I do what I have to to advance the group or raid. I use every trick I have. Not just the ones Castersrealm tells us we have.

Perhaps I'm an ego maniac, maybe I'm an arrogant ass; but I don't think so. In this case I believe my skill and record show that my position is justified. Granted, that isn't the case for all and if someone gives me a suggestion that seems sound, I'm happy to receive it. I'm not about to suggest to people how to play a class I don't know about.

Bravo Thicket, nicely said.

Perhaps I'm an ego maniac, maybe I'm an arrogant ass; but I don't think so.

FWIW, I don't think so.

EDIT: to make it more clear eh

Ladred....Really?

Then I must really suck as a druid, since it's obvious by your post the good players never die.......I've died. Quite a bit actually. I zone in, loot my corpse leaving one item on it. Then proceed on with the adventure to win. I'm at roughly 95% on my LDoN excursions.

For that reason I shouldn't get groups? I'm confused by what conclusion you're hoping to reach from a corpse being in existence.

Racmoor Kri`Shandria

Racmoor, you are an idiot.


(edit: PM send to Racmoor as to why he is an idiot. If he proves me wrong I'll remove this statement.) :rolleyes:

/OT

ahh, let the personal attacks begin!

/end OT

I used to be really annoyed by people who told me what I should or should not be doing.

It took me almost 2 years to realize that, hey! They aren't standing in the room with me! They can't push the buttons on my keyboard (well, except for my hubby, he only did it once). They can't make me do anything I do or don't want to do.

So when someone offers to help run my character, I do stop and consider whether what they have to say is valid. More often it's not, but on occassion I learn something. If I think it is valid, I'll change what I'm doing, otherwise, I simply don't reply to them or say something like "that's certainly something to think about" and continue pressing my keys the way I want to.

I have, once long ago, refused to heal because a cleric in my group was being such an utter jackasp. Thankfully, the cleric drew heal aggro by healing on the pull, died almost immediately, then I kept the group alive. He became so irate because I didn't heal him (after screaming at me not to heal anyone) that he got his body back and gated out, I became the healer, and the rest of us all had a grand time and he wasn't missed at all. Found out later he was ebayed.

Originally posted by B_Delacroix
Perhaps I'm an ego maniac, maybe I'm an arrogant ass; but I don't think so. In this case I believe my skill and record show that my position is justified. Granted, that isn't the case for all and if someone gives me a suggestion that seems sound, I'm happy to receive it. I'm not about to suggest to people how to play a class I don't know about.

I was reacting to what I've heard from people when you try to help them from time to time. I know not everyone gives good advice and some people are just morons. But I always listen to advice as long as it is given politely and with good intentions. I might not choose to follow it, I might find it entirely valueless, but I listen none the less.

My reaction was purely to those who are not good players and yet refuse to consider altering their play style for the situation. I get really tweaked about stuff like that especially when they give you the ego mania response of "don't tell me how to play my class"!

I usually go a long ways to make sure my advice is good, like if a pally couldn't keep aggro, I'd send a tell to a good pally I know and say, "how can I advise this person to get/keep aggro better"? There's a lot of people out there, and it sounds like you aren't one of them, that do little to no research on their characters, they don't read message forums, they don't really know what their spells do and they don't ask for or take advice from anyone. In a word, they suck! :) And I bite my thumb at them.

Uh... this is the unkempt forum and all, but I don't see anything Racmor said that deserves him being called an idiot.

I like to say that playing in guild groups instead of pickup groups does two things, one good and the other bad. The good thing is you learn to work better with your guildies which can in turn make or break a raid.

The bad thing is you are never driven out of your comfort zone. You are rarely forced to compensate for bad players. You rarely have to deal with people who clearly don't know what they are doing, don't communicate or cooperate, and as the better player you need to adapt and adjust your playstyle to compensate.

Being an avowed non-raider (I like to raid when I feel like it, which is rarely, and when I can fit it into my schedule - not something that works for the typical raid guild.) I find myself in a lot of pickup groups on my main and my alts and I've learned that when it comes to my own adaptability and people skills, I have a lot to learn at times.

/nod Zanros

Also, every now and then you get a pickup group that is a lot of fun. I had one last night. The warrior was good, not great, but good. The wizard was hysterically funny, though I couldn't talk him into snaring... The bard was decent. Anyway, just was a lot of fun to meet some new people. They didn't work quite as well together as guildmates do, but it was good enough. :)

/blink at all the stories

jeez...some people are such morons!

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all of us are, at some point or another, cheiner!

/cackle


my favorite moron tactics are ducking a kr too late to patch, and not having 3 seconds to get the patch off and ducking an early kr only to start it again at a lower health %, only to have the tank die with 1-3 seconds left on the heal.... hehe

not that this pertains to the topic. nevermind. i give the stories a good CACKLE, and will stfu now!

hehe

I think, when we have a mostly guildie group in these dungeons, we sometimes scare the non guildies. Often they end up with some or even most of the dropped loot in an adventure and a view of a fast way to do them.