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Mascha
11-04-2003, 04:59 PM
Hi, 62 druid here, soon I will be able to use COT.
Is there any difference between the 2? Does COT last longer then COK? Or is it just that you can charm higher level mobs with the same risk of breaking charm?
Thanks,
Mascha
Mendan
11-04-2003, 05:47 PM
CoK has a lower level limit compared to CoT. The limit on CoK is somewhere in the high 40s/low 50s, and CoT can charm NPCs up to level 60.
Kineada
11-04-2003, 05:48 PM
CoT just ups the charm level. All charms have a max duration and mobs get a chance to break every tick.
Celyka
11-05-2003, 12:49 AM
Also important to know is cast times. CoK is 5 seconds and CoT is 8 seconds. Can be a surprise if you didn't know this the first time you try CoT and don't notice :P
random user
11-05-2003, 04:03 AM
Yeah I would highly recommend getting a spell haste 4 item if you want to charm with CoT.
- Xylem, E'ci
If your charming mobs which are CoKable dont use CoT use CoK imho...its a better charm if you can use it....but then Im not a big charm person myself so maybe the charm gurus would say different.
Tils
Fenmarel the Banisher
11-05-2003, 06:20 AM
Well I'm not a "Charm Guru" but, charming is my preferred method of solo fighting. I can say that if you can get away with it (ie the mobs a low level enough) use Call of Karana (CoK). Time and distance are very important in druid charming and the difference of a few seconds can mean the difference between getting interrupted during a cast. Command of Tunare (CoT) may allow you to charm higher mobs but in terms of numbers it is not the better spell. Here are some comparisions:
Mana Cost: CoK=220 CoT=420
Casting Time: CoK=5 CoT=8
Recast Time:CoK=12 CoT=24
Range: CoK=200 CoT=200
Both spells can be easily landed from max range on a snared mob so casting time isn't really the issue in an open area. In tighter quarters it might become critical because you may have to take a few smacks from your ex-pet before it lands. The mana cost also shouldn't really be a big issue for someone high enough to cast both these spells. The real kicker here is Recast time it takes twice as long for CoT to refresh as it does CoK. This can leave you running around in circles when you get one of those annoying resists.
guluvasea
11-05-2003, 02:12 PM
as has been discussed above, CoT allows you to charm higher lvl mobs. It can break just as easily as CoK so with the extra mana cost, you will see that blue bar heading downwards a lot quicker.
when i hunt animals in WW, I will use CoK because of the lower mana cost. But when i kill a dragon there I will normally cast CoT as it does seem to be longer lasting on a velium hound. oh well, exodus is a must for this type of situation.
And yes it does take longer to cast CoT. As was mentioned above you might want to get a spell haste IV item. Me?.. i got an extended range IV item (ceramic sword of war) as it seemed that type of item was easier to get and sells for around 2500 on my server.
Word to the wise when using CoT. If you plan on killing your pet then dont buff. But if you plan on keeping your pet or reusing it, then have your pet sit, after charming it, and buff it with the pet haste and a ds. Serves two purposes...the first is obvious but the second isnt as much. I have found many times that if charm is gonna break it is more apt to do so within the first 10 to 20 seconds of the charm. It takes 20 to 30 seconds to cast both of these buffs so if the charm hasnt broken by then, you can sorta count on the charm lasting for a while. Since i hunt a lot of summoning beasties in PoS, I have found this technique gives me a much better chance of survival.
being lvl 65 seems to be much better than being lvl 64 or 63 when talking CoT and the charm breaking on you.
Note to all druids regardless of lvl. If you are hunting mobs that are casters, then go ahead and put on your resist gear and cast the appropriate resist spells on yourself. Your resist levels are now your pet's resist levels and can give you an edge.
dekkon fuzzyfeet
storm warden
Bartleby
11-09-2003, 03:30 AM
Charming sucks since they nerfed the hell out of it, (sorry charm guru's but I just see charming as a tool to farm TS stuff and solo dragons in WW)
Also the subject of this thread is....cute to say to least. :p
Fanra
11-09-2003, 10:28 PM
If you are hunting mobs that are casters, then go ahead and put on your resist gear and cast the appropriate resist spells on yourself. Your resist levels are now your pet's resist levels and can give you an edge.
I think that is only true of summoned pets, not charmed ones.
I went and looked through all of Sony's patch messages a while back and found that it seemed to say summoned. It also would not make sense for it to be true for charmed pets.
Glarnor
11-10-2003, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by Fanra
I think that is only true of summoned pets, not charmed ones.
I went and looked through all of Sony's patch messages a while back and found that it seemed to say summoned. It also would not make sense for it to be true for charmed pets.
It is. It wouldn't make sense to let your charmed pet use your resists, at least not your MR, because the MR of the mob doesn't just decide the initial resist on charm, but also the subsequent break tests, so letting charmed mobs use your MR would either mean you could strip off all of your MR gear and all charms would last really long, or you'd wear a lot of MR and having charm constantly break.
guluvasea
11-10-2003, 05:04 PM
my apologies for the mis-information
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