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Tils
11-10-2003, 11:48 AM
Now you can transfer your character of choice to your server of choice with all items intact, including epics! We've expanded the Character Transfer Service (https://store.station.sony.com/eq_char_item_moves/) to fit your needs.

http://eqlive.station.sony.com/news_section/newsview.jsp?story=59333



Interesting...Thoughts? :)


btw https://store.station.sony.com/eq_char_item_moves/ didnt work for me at all i get a blank page :P

Tils

Wyte
11-10-2003, 11:54 AM
Wow.

Scirocco
11-10-2003, 12:14 PM
I think most of us knew it would end up at this one day, right? My condolences to those that transfered in the last couple of months....

Diggins
11-10-2003, 12:28 PM
I thought the whole idea about stripping gear and plat when transferring servers was to prevent large guilds on crowded servers from moving en masse to take over other less populated servers.

It's not surprising that the almighty $ won out in the end. ;)

Araxx Darkroot
11-10-2003, 12:45 PM
NO!
It's all about not unbalancing the local economy !!

Alianna Sedai
11-10-2003, 12:55 PM
/sigh.

Goodbye to Accountability. For $50 you can have a "fresh start" and repeat this as many times as there are servers.

Know all those EBayed toons on your server that everyone dislikes/mistrusts? Now they can move servers and nobody will know they are E-Toons. At least in the past there was name change accountability ... Now? Nothing.

Regnon
11-10-2003, 01:07 PM
oh well, i got better stuff now then when i left.
slightly miss epic.

might do it again, but i doubt it.

Nanyea The Wayward
11-10-2003, 01:59 PM
There goes the neighborhood... hope they at least up the price to 75 dollars

DemonMage
11-10-2003, 02:41 PM
Fee Schedule


For moving characters on the same account from one server to a different server:
1 to 2 Characters $75 (total charge)
3 to 8 Characters $150 (total charge)


For moving characters from one of your accounts to one of your other accounts and changing to a different server:
1 Character $112.50
2 Characters $187.50 (total charge)
3 to 8 Characters $375 (total charge)

In addition to the fees described above, if you are a resident of an European Union country, you will also be charged a VAT tax equal to 17.5% of the applicable fee

Feanan
11-10-2003, 03:41 PM
the little respect i had for verant/sony is now gone.

way to milk the cash cow.

next they should sell batches of 100AA. they should also start selling their own plat and items as well

Tilien Venator
11-10-2003, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Feanan
the little respect i had for verant/sony is now gone.

way to milk the cash cow.

next they should sell batches of 100AA. they should also start selling their own plat and items as well

I doubt they would risk selling plat or items just for the legal risks involved. If a bug loses say 50k of you money, you now have a legal value for your lose. Same with items. If your account got hacked, you can now sue with a legal value of the loss.

Oldoak
11-10-2003, 04:02 PM
I think this is overdue, actually.

Why have they ever had it be so hard for people to move to a different server? Why punish people for choosing to do so? It certainly isn't helping them to make people choose between their gear and their friends.

Yes, there will be some who do this to escape a bad reputation...but generally their behavior will make it clear pretty fast who and what they are. They already have the name change service in anyway, and no one bothers to check that any more.

Yes, this makes cross server guild apps easier too, but making it easier doesn't mean that the big guilds suddenly are going to be sucking in a lot of unknown players from other servers based on a written app. Those were rare anyway, and a big gamble for the guilds involved since you really can't see someone's play style (and so a big gamble for hte player too).

I know of a number of people who have quit the game because they simply couldn't deal with the social context they were in anymore. Not bad players. Not troublemakers. But just kind of caught in a relatively small building with people they didn't want to run into anymore. Ex spouses, etc.

While it is distasteful that they set the bar so high, I don't think it is a bad thing. And if there is a good strong guild out there that can have all its members pony up to move all their toons to a new server, and so move in on a lagging server off of a crowded one, that seems to me to be a good solution to server load balancing. Very free market really...if your server is not strong enough on its own to not invite this sort of competition, then it is really better for the game community that more nimble competing guilds can move in.

I don't think guild moves will be common. The cost issues aside, no guild can survive without a pool of new applicants, and when you move servers you sacrifice all your server lore. A new guild moving onto a server will have a much harder time filling spots when they know no one than an existing guild will have dealing with an ocassional unknown app who came from a different server.

/shrug. Seems like, in balance, a good and fair thing. Just a little pricey for something that they should have made easier to begin with.

Serenya
11-10-2003, 05:14 PM
I like it, just wish it was sooner. A couple real life friends moved several characters over to my server a few months ago, and regearing is a pain even with lots of help.

I think too that this actually is meant to help Sony combat the player auction sites -- it seems likely to me that a fair chunk of their traffic was from people who had changed servers and were either 1) selling items/plat from original server of 2)buying plat/items for the new one.......

oddjob1244
11-10-2003, 05:16 PM
I can see it on ebay now, WTS prenerf fungi staff/ gnome mask. A 75 dollar shipping fee will apply if you are not on my home server.

Eridalafar
11-10-2003, 05:18 PM
For when a trans-server bazaar?

Now if you have a lot of money you can make a toon on a server, buy items or pp for a better price that on your server then pay to get the level 1 toon to your server. I admit the the price can set a high entrance cost, but now you don't need to transfert to the premium server to do this and you can do it faster.

Eridalafar

Suva
11-10-2003, 06:10 PM
This could potentially be bad for my server. There is already a guild on another server discussing transfering their whole guild to mine where there is less competition. I figure it's just a matter of time now before my server becomes overcrowded and yuck.

Noliniel
11-10-2003, 06:39 PM
Acutally this is really lame cause of a couple of reasons.

1. Server enconmy ( sp?) wil be completely whacked because of this. Like the pervious poster said, people can just load a bunch of pp on 1 character and xfer to another character. Or they could load some non drop rare and xfer to some other server.

2. Server population. Alot of servers existed for its low population, this will completely ruin them. Masses of people wil xfer to another server thinking omg this server isn't camped at all ! You wil see those servers getting swarmed by people.

3. Guilds. Alot of guilds exist on servers where they are alot of VT, EP, Time guilds. I am pretty sure some of them wil want to move to another server where it has low population. This well creat alot of problems with other guild on the server. Alot of drama will happen etc.. Its sad.

4. Jerks. Those server know jerks wil xfer to other servers to start all over again to becoming a jerks. Its a whole new place for them and no one knows them. Yay ! Say they want join some uber guild on server 123. They could join their server local guilds and get loots then xfer out to that guild.


Yes you going to see your friends with you and your alts xfered from old server or wthever. but if you look at the big screen and long term effect, is really lame. /rude SOE

Oryane
11-10-2003, 07:43 PM
They also upped the transfer fee for one character up $25 because of this. :\

Panamah
11-10-2003, 07:51 PM
1. Server enconmy ( sp?) wil be completely whacked because of this. Like the pervious poster said, people can just load a bunch of pp on 1 character and xfer to another character. Or they could load some non drop rare and xfer to some other server.

2. Server population. Alot of servers existed for its low population, this will completely ruin them. Masses of people wil xfer to another server thinking omg this server isn't camped at all ! You wil see those servers getting swarmed by people.

3. Guilds. Alot of guilds exist on servers where they are alot of VT, EP, Time guilds. I am pretty sure some of them wil want to move to another server where it has low population. This well creat alot of problems with other guild on the server. Alot of drama will happen etc.. Its sad.

4. Jerks. Those server know jerks wil xfer to other servers to start all over again to becoming a jerks. Its a whole new place for them and no one knows them. Yay ! Say they want join some uber guild on server 123. They could join their server local guilds and get loots then xfer out to that guild.



I find some flaws in the logic of some of these...

#1 It costs $75.00 to transfer. That's $150 two-way. Is anyone really going to pay an additional $150.00 to buy platinum? You can already buy plat for what, a buck per 1k, because there are people farming plat for sale already.

#2-#3 SOE could simply chose to only allow N characters a month to transfer to any given server. That should slow things down considerably for any guild thinking they can move to a new server.

#4 Yeah, I agree with this. Hopefully most jerks won't have a spare $75.00.

Another thing is this, some people have a LOT of alts or even additional accounts. Transfering my brood to a new server would cost me at least $300 and that's if I leave all my lower level alts behind. I'm sure a lot of people have the same sort of situation. Where they've inherieted, or grown their own additional accounts. I think that kind of thing would probably keep a lot of people from moving.

Oldoak
11-10-2003, 08:20 PM
I still don't see a lot of guild moves happening. I could see it on the handful of servers with 3 time guilds (but then Time is instanced, isn't it?).

Most servers are crowded in elementals already.

SOmething to remember. In order for a guild to move...

Each moving player has to be willing to pay $75 at least..more if they have many twinks.

Each member has to be willing to move with the guild in spite of any out of guild friendships they have.

A moving guild would have to be reasonably sure they would be better off where they end up rather than where they were. I can tell you on 7th (a wonderland for the lovers of pissing contests) that most guild differences would be set aside if it meant blocking an "invading" guild from screwing up the server. You know it would be true on most of your servers. The only thing that would work here would be a guild moving onto a server where there is a relative vacuum at their level of content.

There will be more moves...and this is good for SOE since many people will quit playing rather than regear, and yes, I know lots and lots and lots of people who quit so they wouldn't keep running into a stalker, ex-spouse, ex-something.

But guild moves...maybe 1-2 will happen across all servers. I can't imagine how a call like that would affect my guild...a fair number of the players simply don't have money to burn on a server move for the heck of it.

Diggins
11-10-2003, 09:07 PM
Good point about the guild moves Oldoak. I remember my old guild threw around the idea of geared server transfers on the guild homepage a year or so ago. Even though it was really just a rant about overcrowding, actual players from the sample underpopulated server in the rant came to our messageboard and flamed us lol. That's how touchy the issue is. Any 'invader' guild on a new server would have a rough time of it.

As far as the ebay/playerauction thing goes, this is going to make it worse IMO. Example: I wonder how much $$ I could get for my manastone on one of the newer servers where they don't exist?

Tubben
11-10-2003, 09:57 PM
Hehe, i just can say.. if an whole eplane/time enabled guild move over to VZ, then let the bodies hit the floor. I can bet, that the 4 biggest guild on my server (each kos ot the other) would do a shake hand for a while and start to hunt them down hard =)


Tubby

Aidon
11-11-2003, 05:46 AM
Son of a bitch. If they had done this about 3-6 months ago, I'd probably still be playing. I'm still tempted to start up again, expect by this time I'm so far behind the game it wouldn't be fun.

Tils
11-11-2003, 07:07 AM
I'm still tempted to start up again, expect by this time I'm so far behind the game it wouldn't be fun.

Give it a go shortie! :)

Tils

Glarnor
11-11-2003, 09:55 AM
For 200$ you'd get a fresh start on your current server. Move to a random different server, wait a bit, change names, wait a bit, move back. New name, no traces of it in the namechange log for your server.

sera
11-11-2003, 11:12 AM
not really concerned about the items, but this definitely raises the price that you would get if you ebayed individual characters, which was rock bottom.

I'm not sure the logic in people saying this combats ebaying, because it certainly does not.

Scirocco
11-11-2003, 11:40 AM
I'm not sure the logic in people saying this combats ebaying, because it certainly does not.


In net, it might, if you assume that there is more ebaying of items/plat than of characters.

As pointed out above, transferees without items would often resort to ebay to replace a number of their items quickly (either by buying the item or by buying plat). If you're willing to spend the money to get to another server to play with friends, you might be willing to spend a little more money to get your character set up to play with your friends all that much sooner.

With these characters now moving with their items intact for a relatively nominal increase in the fee, this potential market will drop.

The ebaying of characters/accounts is a relatively different market, due in part to the insecurity of losing the account at any time. Moreoever, I find it hard to believe that someone would have to go outside their server to find an account to buy.

Nanyea The Wayward
11-11-2003, 11:47 AM
The unfortuneate part of this for me personally, is that the Legends server is gonna take a serious blow because of this.

And as far as the ebay market, people will still find it much cheaper to use the legends service, where they can use one account to transfer items to different servers for 40 dollars/month and continually do so. Basically the big ebayers will continue to do this while our player base erodes and our community is seriously hurt.

Overall I think transfers are a good idea, because everyone deserves a fresh start, and if yer an $%^%$%^%$%^%$%^%$%^%$%^%$%^%, how long you gonna be able to hide it on a new server?

The Special Rule sets (minus FV) will also take big community hits and Stromm gonna feel the hurt.

Anyhow the Stormhammer community is gonna try to hold it together, but we shall see.

Panamah
11-11-2003, 11:51 AM
Overall I think transfers are a good idea, because everyone deserves a fresh start,

I couldn't disagree with you more. If you're a griefer chances are you're going to be one when you switch servers. In my experience, people rarely change their behavior.

Serenya
11-11-2003, 02:32 PM
I have ONE character I play on Fennin with friends, each of whom only have that one character left. (The 3 who started there originally started over on Druzzil after the server split; two of them have since restarted on my server, the Tribunal). We've talked it over, and being able to move with gear sold us -- we're all moving to the Tribunal. Impact to the server? Nil really. We're all level 51 or 52; we'll join my existing guild, which all but one belongs to anyway, so my guild won't get any larger or more powerful. Impact to us? Huge -- we gain flexibility in who we play when, and in gaining of gear from the characters we already have on the Trib. Gear we might otherwise be selling in the bazaar, true, but heck, we're casual level 50s, that won't touch the economy either. And we get to talk to our Trib friends and guildmates even on our 'once a week' night, which makes me happy at least :)

Aidon
11-11-2003, 04:15 PM
No need to say what I had said.


Must resist temptation to restart game and xfer servers....