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Shallon
12-08-2003, 03:57 PM
I am sure there is a list of Dire Charm Mobs by zone here somewhere but I cannot locate it.

Can someone link it for me please.

Shallon Whisperglade
Tunare

alyn cross
12-08-2003, 06:04 PM
i shall make it simple:
xp group in poe - mini dillo
xp group in pov - mini frog
xp group in pon - young bat

anywhere else - don't bother looking.

/cackle!

Kuolon
12-08-2003, 08:00 PM
Mini boar in Tactics that spawns in the pit and the Young Wrulons in HoH are DCable too

Palarran
12-08-2003, 08:08 PM
Heh, most PoP zones have something druids can dire charm.
Off the top of my head...

Nightmare: young bat
Disease: --
Innovation: --
Justice: rats (forget the name, most are dc-able)
Storm: bear cub (rare, forest area, I forget the name)
Valor: young tree frog
HoH: young wrulon
Tactics: young war boar
BoT: --
Fire: young tree spider
Earth: armadillo (forget the name)
Air: like earth, there's some mob that splits into several dire charmable mobs
Water: young sea turtle?

Shallon
12-08-2003, 09:20 PM
Thanks that helps

Shallon

Greggo
12-09-2003, 10:26 AM
There is a complete list on eqdruids.

The little rats in CoD are so cute when you give them 2 blades of keedge..

Onetree Tallbarque
12-27-2003, 09:58 AM
Air: A Phoenix Scorchlet
Earth: A Miniature Dustrunner (I think)
PoM v1: Teence the Naysayer (/mourn)
PoM v2: --
PoM v3: --

TauTropfen
01-01-2004, 09:11 PM
Nightmare: young bat
Disease: --
Innovation: --
Justice: rats (forget the name, most are dc-able)
Storm: bear cub (rare, forest area, I forget the name)
Valor: young tree frog
HoH: young wrulon
Tactics: young war boar
BoT: --
Fire: young tree spider
Earth: armadillo (forget the name)
Air: like earth, there's some mob that splits into several dire charmable mobs
Water: young sea turtle?

Disease: I am fairly sure allot of the rats at the zone in can be DC'ed
Fire: the young horses can be DCed as well ... however as they are all BEFORE C1 and your fighting mostly will be either in C1 or near the C2 area you're going to have a problem getting your DC pet there anyway

As a standard rule (assuming you're lvl 65): if it's a light blue con you can give it a shot (just use common sense wether a mob is an animal or not :))

As of all the DC pets the PoAir ones were the only ones that actually make me wet my pants, as they tripple for 398 (with mage weapons) and with Savage Spirit and SoVallon they're at the haste cap and do a LOT of damage :) And boy do they look cute!

Seriena
01-02-2004, 01:29 AM
Dire Charm List:

PoP:
Plane of Tactics: Young War Boar (spawns in pit, have to kill phs)
Hall of Honor: Young Wurlong (near zone in, can aggro then invis and run them anywhere in the zone)
Plane of Air: A Phoenix Scorchlet
Plane of Earth: Miniature Dustrunner (spawned by killing dustrunners)
Plane of Fire: Young Obsidian Spider
Plane of Justice: Pestilent Rat
Plane of Nightmares: Young Bat
Plane of Storms:Young Bear (have to kill bear ph's)
Plane of Torment: Small Bloodraven
Plane of Valor: Young Tree Frog (one of 3 dc mobs in the zone, kill phs every 20 mins to get frog to spawn)
Plane of Water: Sea Turtle Youngling
Crypt of Decay: Scroungling Rat

Luclin:
Dawnshroud Peaks:Rockhopper
The Grey: Xakra Shah
Twilight Sea: Twilight Sea Turtle

Velious:
Western Wastes: Glacier Mastodon, Brontotherium
Dragon Necropolis: Amorphous masses
Eastern Wastes: Snow Griffin, Wooly Mammoth
Kael Drakkal:domesticated direwolf
Siren’s Grotto: Servant Walrus, Servant Sea Elephant

Kunark:
Chardok: Chokidai Sniffer, Chokidai Growler
Timorous Deep:Raptor, Vicious Raptor

Keep adding info, where stuff spawns, if they can duel wield, ph's, static or wanderers, etc! I'd also like to get a list like this going, per zone/expansion, for animals we can charm with Comman of Tunare

P.S. The horses in fire that you're talking about are actually undead. So they are dc'able but not by druids.

TauTropfen
01-03-2004, 02:43 PM
Weeee, yet another bug to report on my server then :) Thank you kindly

Kaidian Blade
02-13-2004, 03:24 PM
Confirmed DCable in GoD:

Natimbi: Turepta Cragwalker (the big turtle-things)

Kaidian Blade
02-13-2004, 03:29 PM
Also... that link to the list on (that OTHER site) is:

http://www.eqdruids.com/reference/alternate_abilities/qmon_direcharm.htm

Sunfire
02-17-2004, 01:04 AM
Kind of trivial but the DC mob in PoStorms is called "A Grezlan Cub" in case anyone is looking for it on track. The easiest way to spawn it is by killing Storm Gruezoks in the Forest area - it can also be spawned by killed Wandering Grezlans but they summon and the SGs don't. Unlike the other bears in the forest - other forest mobs do not assist the Cub.

I have the DC list from the old forums saved somewhere, I'll dig it up and post it - I believe it was more complete for the old world mobs than the EQD list is.

Aluaeia
02-17-2004, 01:10 AM
Also, the "A Phoenix Scorchlet" pets in PoAir spawn (usually 4 at a time) on death of "A Phoenix Searedwing". There's also "A Phoenix Breezewing" that on death spawns 4 level 55 phoenixes (not DCable, forget the name), the names are similar enough that some people confuse the two.

Sunfire
02-23-2004, 05:25 PM
Heres the list from the old board as promised (thanks to Lotusfly). Many of these were hypothetical and I didnt save the results of the testing but as far as my knowledge goes I've added comments in italics. Maybe if I get some time I'll merge everything into one.

Buying Dire Charm, as a druid, is perhaps a little unusual one might think, given that its restricted to animal races. Maybe it is useful to put down here my findings so far. Throughout Lotusfly's life, she has always liked charming pets; there is something about a high-powered, high-HP creature fighting for you that just seems strangely right - even if it does turn around and take chunks out of your skirt every few minutes. :)

Level Limitation

As with the Enchanter and Necromancer Dire Charms, it appears that the druidic one follows the same rules, as one might expect. It is animal-only, and has a level cap of 46 (I think).

Level 46 creatures are rather significant though, for us of course, this is balanced by the fact that level 46 animals are not available in a huge amount of zones. With some selective charming, however, you can have a pet with 5-10k HPs, who will happily double-qud hit for around the 140 mark. :)


Possible Pet Targets

A number of spoliler sites list the level ranges of various animals throughout Norrath. I'll list below all those in the level range 40-48. Levels and HPs are shown in brackets.

All sub-40 animals have been omitted from this list, though such creatures may be great for farming pelts!

The Grey:
Xakra Shah [Charmable]

Western Wastes:
Brontotherium (45-51) [Charmable]
Glacier Mastodon (45-49) [Charmable]

Kedge Keep:
Cauldron Hammerhead (37-46, 5.3k HP)
Ferocious Hammerhead (45-50, 6k HP)
Soothebrine Seahorse (42, 4.8k HP)
Spinereef Seahorse (39-45, 6.6K HP)
Squallsurge Seahorse (39-46, 6.5k HP)
Stilleto Fang Piranha (43-44, 5.8k HP)
Swirlspine Seahorse (39-51, 9.8k HP)
Impaler Swordfish (39-42, 3.2k HP)
Fierce Impaler (42, 4.2k HP)

Permafrost:
Giant Dire Wolf (43-47, 6.8k HP)
Giant Polar Bear (43-47, 8k HP)
Injured Polar Bear (45)

Wakening Land:
Haze Panther (40-42) [Charmable]
Black Unicorn (45)
White Unicorn (40)
Rapticor (42)

Erud's Crossing:
Killer Shark (38-42, 3.2k HP)

Dawnshroud Peaks:
Rockhopper (36-44) [Charmable]

Siren's Grotto:
Servant Sea Elephant (46-49) [Charmable]

Grimling Forest:
Sonic Warwolf (41-43)

Burning Woods:
Tatterback Gorilla (42-47, 5.8k HP) [Charmable] ?

Timourous Deep:
Vicious Raptor (44-48, 4.5k HP) [Charmable]

Eastern Wastes:
Elder Snow Griffin (42-45) [Charmable]
Ulthork Man-o-War (40-44, 4.3k HP) [Not Charmable]

Emerald Jungle:
Corrupted Gorilla (44-47) - Heh

Lesser Faydark:
Equestrielle (40, 3k HP)
Equestrielle the Corrupted (40)

Stonebrunt Mountains:
Giang Yin (44-46)
Old Ghostback (42-46, 4k HP)
Shadowback (40-44)

Rathe Mountains:
Petrifin (40-41) [Not Charmable] ?

Trakanon's Teeth:
Sigra (48) [Not Charmable]

Nagafen's Lair / Sol B:
Sonic Bat (38-42, 3.3k HP) [Not Charmable]


There are a great deal of Good Opportunities (tm) in the above, it seems. I'll examine some of the more surprising "animal" tagged mobs and see what kind of tricks we can get up to. :)


Bugs

This skill has a few issues, though none that would stop a charm-crazy druid such as myself from buying the skill...

When trying to pet an animal, one often has to 'spam' the hotkey, as "You are too far away from your target, get closer!" and "You cannot see your target!" messages are often the result, even if the poor beast is standing two feet in front of you. Enchanters and necromancers report precisely the same with their Dire Charms, and the charm will work after a little spamming - sometimes none is required, sometimes a lot.

If you try to Dire Charm an animal that has previously been charmed (either Dire or normally), your Dire Charm will get the message "Your spell did not take hold" - even when the previous charm has long gone. Again, this is common to the enchanter and necromancer Dire Charms.

Though not really a bug, it is a little annoying that if you attempt to charm a creature higher than level 46, then your Dire Charm will give the "Your target is too high level for this spell!" message, and will require you to wait the 72 minutes for the skill to refresh.

To me, this seems a little harsh. I suppose that it does rather put the responsibility upon the Charmer's shoulders to ensure that the target is of the correct level but, unless we use such evil tools as ShowEQ, we're down to having a level 46 twink running at our side to con mobs (a necromancer on my server actually does this!).

The spell looks to be unfinished, due to the targetting bugs; I would anticipate that when it is perfected, an attempt to charm a too-high level creature will not result in the timer being reset to 72 mins.


Summary

As our charm lines have always been, and always will be, this skill is not for everyone. Kiters will have no use for it, groupers with certain tastes will not care for it. However, the benefit of having a permanent pet that thumps for 140 is something that I like, and it's a bit of fun too.

Admittedly, when you spend 9 points on Dire Charm, you are not spending those points on healing power, or nuking ability. For most druids, this skill will be a "Nice, but I'll get it after I've bought the skills I really need".

I hope that the above post has been a little use; certainly, it is nice to have some information about a skill before you buy it - taking the plunge and just buying a skill unarmed is a little daunting! At the very least, it will help you make up your mind whether or not Dire Charm is any good, or whether it's not the right thing for you. :)


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Accretion
06-30-2004, 01:12 PM
Hynid Fleshrippers in Natimbi make good DC pets. They have low HP but do solid DPS.

Kalthanan
07-14-2004, 12:12 PM
Hynid Fleshrippers in Natimbi make good DC pets. They have low HP but do solid DPS.

Today's patch has put the fleshrippers and other high DPS mobs in line with the DPS of other mobs in the zone.

Claeopha
07-14-2004, 12:23 PM
Unless they remove or greatly restrict the noc and Kly mobs' ability to proc Chaos Claws, their DPS is still way out of line for the levels expected to hunt in Natimbi.

Danae
09-20-2004, 04:23 PM
Dranik's Scar - a greater noctulis bat

Tidil Natura
09-30-2004, 04:12 AM
Has dc been affected by our ability to level above 65?

I am only 66, but I tried to dc a rat to help someone with a trial and it wouldnt let me. Poj, pestil. rat.

Palarran
09-30-2004, 09:25 AM
Some pestilence rats have always been a level or two too high of a level to dire charm. If you keep trying you'll find one that's dire charmable. (You could also go for a weaker type of rat which is always dire charmable.)

Tidil Natura
10-01-2004, 02:43 AM
Thank ye.

loias
10-03-2004, 09:11 PM
It seems that lately the lists that have been posted are now inaccurate
not all the mobs are DCable even at lvl 65, I have found the Brontotherium, Glacier Mastodon, pestilence rat are no longer DCable, unless i have been extremely unlucky over the 3 days it seems these mobs are too high lvl.

Dari
10-17-2004, 10:21 AM
Iolas, I've run into that periodically. Sometimes I can DC the first bronto I see, other times I have to try 5 or 6 or even more to find one. I'll refrain from my fussing about SOE taking away the test server AAs to increase DC levels /sigh....

:banghead:

Bappont
10-18-2004, 12:34 PM
I am still 61 but working feverishly to get my 9 points for DC. I have 3 to spend as of last night. My question is this : If you send your DC'd pet after a mob that summons , will you get summoned ?

Bappont on Tribunal

Cedre
10-18-2004, 01:39 PM
If you send your DC'd pet after a mob that summons , will you get summoned ?

Whoever is highest on the mob's hate list gets summoned. Your pet will get summoned unless you outdamage it or chain heal it. If your pet dies, you will be summoned.

Tagrin
11-03-2004, 07:56 AM
Whoever is highest on the mob's hate list gets summoned. Your pet will get summoned unless you outdamage it or chain heal it. If your pet dies, you will be summoned.

Send your pet in and let him build that aggro. If your pet loses aggro and you get summoned, run away or circle the mob until pet gets aggro back. If you canot heal your pet before he dies, make sure you gate/egress before pet dies. When you get summoned, you get hit almost immediately. It is hard to cast as you get summoned.

Therei snothing worse than running to zone, getting half way there, then getting summoned back.

oakdad
11-04-2004, 01:43 PM
If you ask me these are going to be the best bang for your buck mobs for getting exps.

Chardok (mobs deep in are still dark blue to me at 70 but not uncommon to get a mob of mobs at a given time)
A Chokidai Growler

Siren's Grotto (Succor and start back there but gets tricky in the water)
A Servant Sea Elephant

Scarlet Desert (not sure if mobs high enough for exps but a good place to learn)
A Scarlet Cheetah

Dulak's Harbor (not sure if mobs high enough for exps but a good place to learn)
A Wharf Rat (Dulak)

Plane of Justice (at sub 65 probably the best exps out there for you)
A Festering Rat

Halls of Honor (rock for argo kitting but you need enough dps so your pet doesn’t get the argo)
A Wrulon Youngling

Natimbi - The Broken Shores (never personally done this but appears it would be good)
A Turepta Cragwalker

Tagrin
11-04-2004, 07:59 PM
Anyone have a guide on hunting in POJ with the DC rat> I think it would be fun to try it out. I have been there a couple of times, but never fought anything.

oakdad
11-05-2004, 12:02 AM
Tips for Charming
Ask a mage friend for pet gear making sure the weapons are of 2 different types (note 1 mage weapon and a rusty one is better than 2 mage weapons of the same kind on your pet). If you have money burning a hole in your pocket buy yourself one of those 36 haste robes casters can wear for more haste. I have also heard of peeps getting tash and slow weapons along with other gear for their charmed pets but thats up to how much coin you can risk loosing (pet dies or you gate you can kiss it all good bye). Find yourself a rat to DC and give it pet gear and buff it up as much as possible. I personally love heading to the basement (the area just before the hand in guy for the flag) Make sure you avoid the big guys in black for they kinda nasty. Harmony the neighboring mob, snare the mob you are going to kill so it is no longer near the one harmonied and send in pet. Debuff/nuke/heal/root/snare accordingly. Big thing is not to take on to many mobs since you really dont want them spawning on you at the wrong time.

Tagrin
11-05-2004, 07:08 AM
(note 1 mage weapon and a rusty one is better than 2 mage weapons of the same kind on your pet).

I never knew that. Sometimes I get the same mage weapons and let pet use them.
Thanks for the info.

oakdad
11-05-2004, 07:45 AM
The pet will not duel wield unless the weapons are different. Well unless they ninjaed a change on me.

Lluwenae
11-20-2004, 08:15 PM
when it comes to kiting using a DC pet in HoH or where ever it isn't really a matter of out dps'ing pet to keep aggro.... Flame lick the lvl 1 dot is what keeps aggro, you throw the real dmg dot or nukes in between casting flame lick here and there.

oakdad
11-24-2004, 04:13 PM
True but I was under the impression you got the shaft when it comes to exps if the pet did more damage than you did so I always used dps to keep argo, but you are right flame lick rocks when it comes to keeping argo as does casting snare on it again.

Lluwenae
11-30-2004, 04:11 PM
I could be wrong but i was under the impression that as long as you did at least 1dmg to the mob any pets wouldn't leach xp.... wasn't like that in the old days but i had heard it was different now, tho to be honest i've never really tested it, always was too busy kiting to remember to think about it. hehe

Edit: btw i just noticed you used the phrase "under the impression" as well and did'nt want you to think i was being sarcastic or mean any bad by me using it too =)

Palarran
11-30-2004, 07:59 PM
Dire charmed pets follow a different set of exp rules.

Tokkyl
12-09-2004, 03:11 PM
In Dranik's Scar best DC druid pets are either the Plaguescourge or Darkscourge rats leading into Cave A of the instance zones - there are only 2 of them. They are at or just above the DC level cap, so sometimes you may get a resist and have to kill one and try the other. These furry friends double all the time, can triple and even saw a quad once. I use these guys all the time when want to do a little Loyalist factioning while LFG.

tatankawd
08-29-2005, 01:11 PM
So I take it there are no DCable mobs in any of the LDoN missions? Didn't see LDoN mentioned in any of the above lists.

Tat

tatankawd
09-07-2005, 12:53 PM
Anyone?

oakdad
09-07-2005, 01:48 PM
I would venture a guess of no. I think by the time you are high enough in level to get DC the mob levels in the Ldon adventures you would be getting would exceed the DC max level of 46.

Stormmaster
09-27-2005, 11:37 AM
Well the wolves in the rujarkian LDON missions are regular charmable. Way too high for dire charm and only charmable with the lvl 70 charm at my level. But if LDON mob levels are scaled for those doing the mission I would think the wolves are dire charmable if you are doing them in the mid level ranges. At level 70 I can confirm they aren't.

Also note there is 1 type of charmable mob in each of the 5 ldon types. The only mobs that are charmable are also the only mobs that cannot be snared. I'm sure a planned measure to avoid exploiting them because they hit hard and fast and tank quite well so yeild some nice xp but also the risks associated with "charmed" pets. Dire charm pets are essentially no risk so it would reason that they might make them above the level or tag them non dire charmable for balance sake.

Not sure if any of that helped but there ya go :)

Discanthir
02-15-2006, 01:36 AM
I was reading some posts earlier on getting weapons for your DCed pet. A trick I use constantly, especially for non-summoned weapons, is to simply go invis when I am done with the pet. This breaks the charm, and the pet will then attack you. Root/snare/kite whatever you feel like doing to keep it from using the weapons on you, and then kill it. I prefer to root rot the pet. Once it is dead you are able to loot the weapons from the body, and wisk them off to your next pet, the bank, or (I do this mostly for summoned weapons) hand them out to lower toons or drop them around PoK. Hope this helps you other leaf lovers out there.

(btw if you are in Dranik's Scar a lot, the rats in the eastern caves make great pets. I use them as tanks all the time when helping to farm both the augs for people)

kajri
10-12-2006, 02:17 PM
Since TSS has zones at all lvls and most of the zones are outdoors...... has anyone experimented with good animals to DC in these zones? Specifically, is there one in Iceclad, maybe a bunny?

Smiles, Kajri (74 druid of Stromm)

Otzberger
10-22-2006, 03:13 AM
I have played around a little with this but have yet to find a DC mob in any zone useful to a player with the AA. Even in Blackfeather Roost trying to charm a "grey" con cougar or bear at the lowest level gave me the message that the mob was too high for this charm. Highest con mob (besides captain, queen, and very few upper platform mobs) is light blue.

If anyone does find some DC mobs in TSS, please let us know.

Fenier
10-22-2006, 12:12 PM
Dire Charm mobs needs to be level 46 or lower.