Not fortay.

With the upcoming ability, just thought everyone could use a heads up.


/duck

Hehe, that's a "mistake" I constantly make =-p I think I'm in the side that prefers the two-syllable pronounciation.

Usage Note: The word forte, coming from French fort, should properly be pronounced with one syllable, like the English word fort. Common usage, however, prefers the two-syllable pronunciation, (fôrt), which has been influenced possibly by the music term forte borrowed from Italian. In a recent survey a strong majority of the Usage Panel, 74 percent, preferred the two-syllable pronunciation. The result is a delicate situation; speakers who are aware of the origin of the word may wish to continue to pronounce it as one syllable but at an increasing risk of puzzling their listeners.

And... Secondary Fort...hrm...Secondary Fortification....hrm.. where the hell is my first Fortification? =-( Where's the wizards with their Wizard Towers? The Warriors with their vast keeps and armies? The druids and their groves and forests? *cries* I know! They're all in EQ2! We just happen to get our secondary, crappy, fortifcation in EQ1! *nods*

according to http://www.dictionary.com, "Fortay" is also a correct pronounciation. It's the first of 3 pronounciations.

I was unable to copy and past it here and keep the proper accent marks.

My usage notation was from www.dictionary.com just incase anyone was curious =-p

Forte is also italian and used in Music, and is pronounced For-Tay.

So there :p

You say Tomayto and I say tomahto...

You say Potayto and I say potahto... :D

I say we all take Fyyr out, tie him up, blindfold him, stick a cigarette in his mouth, light it then all stand back and shoot him! After that we can go back to pronouncing it correctly without any further disruption.

Fyyr is an engima...who does, however, like fishing.

And yeah, the French pronunciation is of forte is "fort" (the T is a lovely dental fricative).

While I would probably be more apt to pronounce it "for-tay" as well, I think you need to include more information than just from dictionary.com, which is reference the American Heritage dictionary. Anyone for an Oxford dictionary nearby?

/bonk Fyyr

I was a music major and I never heard any conductor, musician or anyone say "Play this section fort". It was always, "Play this section for-tay". Forte is Italian from loud or strong and they pronounce the ending vowel. Like dulce is dul-chay rather than dulss.

Ah, I see there's a french derivation too. Pah! I'm sticking with my Italian. I can pronounce Italian. French makes my tongue cramp.

the french never pronounce the last syllable of a word anyway... even if it exists. therefore the french version is incorrect by nature, and highly suspect nature at that... they even stole their famous food from itallian chefs... so anyway, back to my point... if the french don't pronounce the last syllable, even if it exists... then the proper way to vocalize such a word is clearly the itallian way, for the french know they're doing it wrong anyway.

ciao!

/cackles in several languages.

oh... www.m-w.com > the american heritage dictionary.

French sometimes don't pronounce whole words. Lazy bastards! :)

usage In forte we have a word derived from French that in its "strong point" sense has no entirely satisfactory pronunciation. Usage writers have denigrated \'for-"tA\ and \'for-tE\ because they reflect the influence of the Italian-derived 2forte. Their recommended pronunciation \'fort\, however, does not exactly reflect French either: the French would write the word le fort and would rhyme it with English for. So you can take your choice, knowing that someone somewhere will dislike whichever variant you choose. All are standard, however. In British English \'fo-"tA\ and \'fot\ predominate; \'for-"tA\ and \for-'tA\ are probably the most frequent pronunciations in American English.

That's it, Fyyr. You're fired as the TDG etymologist. Alyn gets the job.

I take it the french would say "le for" not pronouncing the t or e?

all i know is that my first act as TDG etymologist is going to be to take up alteration as my 'secondary le for'... or evocation... whichever it's not at the moment... and then i'll resign the position back to Fyyr and take up cackling and eating watermellon at the steps of the 'arc d tri-um' while wondering how one looses a p and an h from triumph.

/cackle

silent letters can bite me.. .fortAy all the way..

to quote eddie izzard, the greatest transvestite of our time

"... you say... erbs..... we say herbs.... because it has a ****ing h in it."

silent letters can bite me.. .fortAy all the way..

to quote eddie izzard, the greatest transvestite of our time

"... you say... erbs..... we say herbs.... because it has a ****ing h in it."

Hah! Bet you didn't pronounce the "e" in bite or quote. You fickle prounouncer of silent letters.

Here's a little rhyme to help those who can't recall:

Some hErbs are found in tea
While the other Herbs stand to pee.

You fickle prounouncer of silent letters.
sue me.. we should drop the e on quote... and the only reason we have the e in bite is because we would confuse it with bit.... or byte... omg the horror of teh languages...i don't really think it matters, rules on languages are just so we can keep stuff straight in our head... no stone tablets being carried down a mountain or somesuch.


p.s. mods... y4ruteh8?!? aparently the f-word gets modded in unkempt... even if i'm not attacking anyone hehe special....not that it really matters just
interesting

No, you pronounce the T in French when saying forte...you pronounce it because it's followed by an vowel...

For example, a men's shirt is "la chemise" (las'shu-meez), whereas a woman's shirt is "le chemis ("lus'shu-mee"). (my attempt to give you a pronunciation guide - I've forgotten all my linguistic notation)

And on languages that drops letter, don't go there. You're speaking one right now.

p.s. mods... y4ruteh8?!? aparently the f-word gets modded in unkempt... even if i'm not attacking anyone hehe special....not that it really matters just
interesting
I think it's automatic word replaced or something.../shrug...we're not doing it manually.

did i just read y4ruteh8?

this gets into more linguisic nightmares... for example, an entire sentance in one word.... only other word that makes a whole sentance is: DUCK!... and is usually followed by a thud.

moreover, we should get into whyfor... which does not, under any uncertian terms mean 'why did', 'why do', or 'why anything'... it means nothing, it is not a word... you who grew up watching Taz spin around in circles and ask "whyfor did you do that?" must be schooled that IT IS A CARTOON WORD.

/le cackle

Hmmm... Mirriam's wrong then, Chen?

Sounds like they're saying it isn't pronounced as "fort" or "forte" in french. Then they said:

"... the French would write the word le fort and would rhyme it with English for. "

Which confused me mightily because you don't usually say for rhymes with for.

I've sent off mail to a couple guys I know that grew up in Paris and speak fluent french. Hopefully they'll provide an answer that means I win!

.... only other word that makes a whole sentance is: DUCK!... and is usually followed by a thud.Or a quack!

For example, a men's shirt is "la chemise" (las'shu-meez), whereas a woman's shirt is "le chemis ("lus'shu-mee").Personally, I think the French have it right! A feminine item covering a male body and a masculine item covering a female......

Oh wait! Aren't they the ones who gave us "la chauvinisme", as well?

As for FORTE, the correct spelling is with an accented letter E giving it the pronunciation of an A.

well, the T isn't hard....it's sort of swallowed....just really, soft at the end...but it is there...

I can't think of a word in English that has the same T....okay, if you make your mouth into the shape of an O and say the word "can't" softly, that T sound is the nearly the same (I know if feels weird, just remember you're trying to figure out the T sound...feel your tongue lightly flick against the back of your front teeth...saying can't normally, your tongue does a double dental fricative, touching both upper and lower teeth and you usually exhale a bit, kind of hissing - I shut up now)

See, the thing with French (as in English), when you're speaking words in a sentence, you tend to blend from word to the other..."la forte" by itself you may not hear the T, but in a sentence where the next word starts with a vowel, you'll definitely hear it...

Italian is so much easier to pronounce. I vote for the italian pronunciation.

Kyeni tells the party, "Incoming! <( French speaker )>"

There are certain consonants the French pronounce, and others they only pronounce if it's followed by a vowel (most of the time; there are, as always, exceptions). So if you were to say "forte" and pronounce it in French, it would come out sounding like "fort." If you were to pronounce "fort" in French, it would sound like "for."

The general rules about which consonants to pronounce are c, r, f and l (CaReFuL). If it's followed by a vowel, you might be safe pronouncing it, but certain verbs come to mind when you wouldn't. So...yeah. Hope that helps :)

See! Clear as mud!

While it may be a bit confusing, in no other language can telling someone off sound so beautifully and may actually get you a date...

so here's the real question... this one will really get yer goat...

why in the nine hells are we arguing the pronunceation of a word we will likely be using in text and not verbally 99% of the time, over the next few months? forte is still spelled f.. o... r... t.. e... wether you think 'fort' or 'fortay' in your head!

"...French is my favorite. Fantastic language. Especially to curse with...It's like wiping your ass with silk."

Before we can figure out Forte (which isn't in game yet, is it?) we must first decide:

Is SoW Sow or is it Sew? Personally, I use Sow.

That's no help! You can pronounce sow as in sow your wild oats or as in fat as a sow (female pig). I use the wild oats pronounciation.

Cursing in French sounds extra nasty! I tried to get my friend to teach me, but you know, I gave up in frustration over the pronounciation which he was never happy with.

so here's the real question... this one will really get yer goat...

why in the nine hells are we arguing the pronunceation of a word we will likely be using in text and not verbally 99% of the time, over the next few months? You are absolutely right!!

Let's argue over this one instead: Would you pronounce Fyyr as "FIRE", "FUR" or "FEAR"?

But... back to Forte...
Properly spelled, there is an accent over the E which makes the pronunciation that of an A... I win!

Ah but the accent isnt actually there in the noun form of the word. It's often added mistakenly.

If you are referring to volume(as in music/Italian)[edit, danke], like Araxx said, it is 'fortay'.

If you mean 'strong point' that is from the French, and that word has a silent E.

/duck

/em throws a turnip at Fyyr (which is pronounced Fur, fyi)

Forte isn't a tempo in music, it's volume. :band:

"Let's argue over this one instead:"

I was going to let you do that.

I pronounce it fire, fir or fear works too, I guess. I never thought it could be fear(many friends have thought it that), but /shrug, no matter.

I have a chem lab partner, he's Middle Eastern. His name is Ali. I ask him what his last name is, "Too hard to pronounce, even I have a hard time" is his answer.

Should I be worried about chemical Ali?

"Is SoW Sow or is it Sew? Personally, I use Sow."

So, is that like pig sow, or wild oats sow?

Wild Oats sow and "sew" sound the same, so I infer that person is saying the pig sow !

Like pig sow for me. Of course, FoE ruined all the good pig jokes, but did create a new line of foe jokes. SoE just didn't have much value as pun fodder, unless you're talking about the corporation, not the spell.

short thread derail.../hug jinjre

continue~ :buttrock:

btw...forte in music means play strongly....both italian and french are from latin so you if you go back too far in the origin of the word your arguments will be moot =P

Kendali Thistlewood
Storm Warden of Tunare

Ok, here's the deal with how the french would truly pronounce Forte.

Hi,

In French it is pronounced like "for" where f is just like our f, o is pronounced like the first sound you make when saying either of "oar", "or", "ore", and the r is the french back-of-the-throat r.

I had always thought it was Italian also, but I guess not. That won't be the first time that Americans are confused about language of origin. "que sera sera" isn't real french, french fries are really belgian, etc...


Now lets face it, we're Americans not French so we're going to butcher it in all possible ways because French is an impossible language to pronounce. So, I'm sure the American-butchered version of it probably was "fort" at some point until everyone got their kids music lessons then they grew up hearing "for-tay" and the most common, and just as valid as "fort", is "for-tay".

So pronounce it however you wish, but if someone says to me, "My fort is cars", they might draw some puzzled looks as someone imagines a bunker made of junk yard cars.

yea and to add... its So bee not Sob aaaaaaaa or soooo bbb or Sob ............ so u french americans and people with lisp.. its So bee

Thank you for listening,

well, sonnabitch....

(btw, my previous post is a JOKE! if you're taking offense, give it back!)

/cackle sobe

Hmmm... mentally I always pronounced Sobe as So-bee or Soy Bean, depending on my mood.

LOL all - soybean.. HEPL! - and yes Chen.. that be correct on the SoB portion

so what we've learned here is
a.. how to pronounce fyyr's name
b.. there is no pronunciation of forte, it's a text only word
c.. we need to decide on what exactly the vocalization of 'sow'
d.. soybean is psotting for hepl.

/cackle

I always pronounced it in my head as So-Bay

http://s91721709.onlinehome.us/grove/sobeyourself.gif

so what we've learned here is
a.. how to pronounce fyyr's name
b.. there is no pronunciation of forte, it's a text only word
c.. we need to decide on what exactly the vocalization of 'sow'
d.. soybean is psotting for hepl.

/cackle

and e. alyn can't take a joke when it involves... y4rutehh8? i think language jokes are gr84agudlaf!

dude I was totally joking... and oddly enough chen it showed up when I looked at it after posting, and then *poof*... hmm, not like it matters at all

/derail off.

well, the T isn't hard....it's sort of swallowed....just really, soft at the end...but it is there...

I can't think of a word in English that has the same T....

Merci mille fois, mon amie.

I don't think English has an exact equivalent, but the final g in "ing" is
very similar, i.e., ring has a subtly-pronounced g at the end. Only
the vulgar give it a prominent sound, e.g., "rin-guh."

Hope this helps to obscure things even more :)

Vestix
61 word-mangling druid of Tunare

Only
the vulgar give it a prominent sound, e.g., "rin-guh."


Like Lon-guy-landers? (i.e. people from Long Island) :p They tend to pronounce the 'g' most of us leave off.