I know it's been re-hashed over and over, but since I recently hit 63, I feel the need to vent (tiny vent).
Why do the spell prices have to be so GD high?? I barely have 15k in my bank and I can afford one spell (one I don'tr even want). The rest are 25k+. I saw one at 80k. The worst part about it (IMO) is that the people padding the prices are druids. I remember years ago having fellow druids GIVE me spells when I dinged. I wouldn't expect that now, but 80k for a spell?? LOL - and when you are looking in the bazaar, most of the ones selling them have 3 and 4 copies of each. I'm hoping some of my friends in stronger guilds that have repeated access to spectrals can find me a deal in their guild until I can finish my BoT key (need one medal and the bone) and have a better chance of getting a few. Greed is such a major human flaw (I know I'm unfortunately not immune to it's charm though :( )

Aaliane Wyndryder
63rd Druidess of Tunare
Morell Thule

Don't expect getting into BoT to improve your chances THAT much. Very hard to get a group there and they certainly don't drop like rain.

In some ways it's probably good they're so hard to get. Loot is so freekin' lame in PoP that it's like christmas anytime you get anything. So your only loot is probably going to be spells and once you get tham all, what do you have to look forward to?

I wouldn't want them handed to me. I would just like at least one made available for each level. At least then you could have 1 spell to look forward to when you level.

It's sad really. I dont even know where specs drop with any regularity anymore. We have people in our guild with all their runes and eths and are missing specs. The drop rate on them has just been nerfed into extinction.

FU Sony.

Tia

I'm flagged for HOH and BoT and been 65 since mid January. I've won a total of one (1) spectral. :p We ended up buying Pot9 just so someone had it in guild.

The Tier 4 planes are for the uber guilds. Are the 63+ spells supposed to be for them only too?

Weird, prices on specs range from 4k to 15k on E'ci, with maybe a couple really good ones a bit more.

I've seen:

Swarming death: 9500pp
Nature's Infusion: 12kpp
Summer's Flame: 10k

and all the crap (brackencoat, eci's frosty breath etc) for 8kpp or less.

All of these prices have lasted 24 hrs too; they aren't one of those "i was on my way to the trader with the money and by the time i got there it was gone" type of things.

Weird how different servers are different.

- Xylem, E'ci

Prices on Xev are still pretty high. Haven't seen 80K for awhile, but PoT9 routinely goes for 20-30K, Swarming Death is usually 20K and any 63-65 nuke is typically 20-30K also.

My opinion is that 63-65 spells aren't "filtering down" to most players as fast as SOE anticipated and that making sub-60 spells researchable is their convoluted way of muting the outcry.

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<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>My opinion is that 63-65 spells aren't "filtering down" to most players as fast as SOE anticipated and that making sub-60 spells researchable is their convoluted way of muting the outcry. [/quote]
I'd have to agree, and frankly I believe at least one of the more common sources for spectrals has been nerfed. For a while, it seemed like most of our 63/64 spells were showing up semi-regularly in bazaar (priced from 15k to 80k), but over the past week I've only seen a total of <span style="text-decoration:underline">six</span> 63-65th spells, and they're the same spells on the same three traders, rotting away. And this is on one of the oldest servers with at least five guilds in tier4 and beyond.

Apparently when someone sees they're the only one with a particular spell for sale, they set an insane price and it just sits there for days. Fortunately, not too many people are gullable enough or desperate enough to spend 50k on a 63rd level spell, so extreme price gouging isn't being rewarded. I'm hoping that the top guilds find a new source for spectrals and flood the market to offer some healthy competition.

I really wish there was an alternate way of getting spectrals. It could be anything as simple as turning in two or three ethereals for one 63-64th spell, or even questing for them. Would actually be nice if there was a "Spells" tab on the guild trainer screen where you could spend AA points to earn any given spell from the list .. perhaps 6aa for each 61/62 spell, 9aa for each 63/64, and 12aa for each 65th.

~Firemynd

I do see the same traders up in bazaar with the same overpriced spells. Fortunately, a level 65 chanter friend of mine has been giving me his extra spectrals. He has given over 30+ spectrals to friends. Since I have been working up my tradeskills, my bank account has been getting smaller so I can't afford to buy too many spells. So he is a BIG help. Friends > everything else.

Aaliane

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>We have people in our guild with all their runes and eths and are missing specs.[/quote]

Bleh!

I have only been present for 2 runes even dropping, and, of course, have won neither.

I've been 65 for several months now and I got my first spec spell just like a week ago. I got swarming death. nice little dot, especially since it stacks with winged death. :)

yesterday I bought Command of Druzzil for my enchanter.. I paid 45k for it.. I had to strip all my alts and sell their gear to raise the money.. I also sold my Lodi shield, but I'll probably buy that back when I get a bit of cash again..

you think getting a full spellbook for one character is bad? try working on spectrals (and flags) for two toons at the same time! :o my enchanter is half way through 63, so I'm close to being able to scribe my new spell.. I just hope they don't nerf charming now that I got that spell.. especially considering I sold gear from my main to buy something for an alt.. :mad:

another sad thing is, my enchanter is my alt and he's BoT flagged and my druid is my main and he still is not BoT flagged.. :p I was using him to scout mobs at the time, hehe..

CoT is still going for 39-42k on Tholuxe -- and it's being snapped up as soon as it's put out for sale. PoT9 30k. BoT9 45-55k.

I've given up. Nobody at SOE cares that most of the player base doesn't have thier spells. If I were to work to save up enough to buy all my spells 63-65, I'd be cash farming until SOE pulls the plug on EQ.

What makes me the most sad though, is exchanges like this, daily;
<em><strong>GroupMember tells the group</strong>,'have pot9?'
<strong>You tell the group</strong>,'no, but i'd love to get it someday. Here, I'll cabbage you.'
<strong>GroupMember tells the group</strong>,'wtf you've been 65 for ages now, and you STILL don't even have PoT9?'
<strong>You tell the group</strong>,'No, I keep losing rolls on specs and runes to MELEES LIKE YOU.'</em>

Yesterday, I lost on 2 specs and a rune in a group. My druid and a shaman were only casters in the group. Neither one of us won any of the drops. They went to a rogue, another rogue and warrior. The excuse they had for rolling? "We need to buy equipment to tank/dps for you wimpy casters". Before we even did the group, the shaman and I tried to reserve the spec/rune drops and were told if we did, we'd lose the 4 melee's in the group. So IMO, it's not so much the druids that are getting dupes that are raising the prices so much, it's the farmers and the fuggin melees that somehow think it's OK to charge us an arm and a leg for a spell we use primarily on them anyways.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Yesterday, I lost on 2 specs and a rune in a group. My druid and a shaman were only casters in the group. Neither one of us won any of the drops. They went to a rogue, another rogue and warrior. The excuse they had for rolling? "We need to buy equipment to tank/dps for you wimpy casters". Before we even did the group, the shaman and I tried to reserve the spec/rune drops and were told if we did, we'd lose the 4 melee's in the group. So IMO, it's not so much the druids that are getting dupes that are raising the prices so much, it's the farmers and the fuggin melees that somehow think it's OK to charge us an arm and a leg for a spell we use primarily on them anyways.[/quote]

Solution to this problem:

Make Parchment and Rune hand ins doable only by their classes, thus making them useless to pure melees. I am sure there has to be something like Tradeskill components or equipment for the melee to sell. I guess I am naive, but whatever happened to NBG? Looks like the G wins these days. :(

even though I'm a caster, I don't believe in trying to enforce NBG in a pickup group.. I think all classes should be allowed to roll on all items, regardless of need.. in a guild group, it's a different story.. but what do I care what Mr. Random_person_I've_never_met_before needs? and lets be honest, how many of us <em>need</em> platinum? I know I do! especially considering how rare plat is in PoP..

on the flip side, if I were grouped with a melee who rolled on a spec parchment but later tried to enforce NBG on a weapon, I'd be pissed..

*chuckles at Accretion*

Druids don't have it that bad really...

Hand of Virtue is 185kpp on the same server.

I diligently check bazaar everyday several times a day HOPING to see the last couple of 63/64 spells I need ... and MAYBE see BotN (65) for sale ... although I KNOW its gonna be 100k at least ....

god forbid you be in a smaller guild that cant really take on the HUGE mobs .... now people see why I farm so much ....

Spell prices have absolutely plumetted in the last few weeks on Karana. Eci's and Brackencoat are in the 2k to 2k5 range now, almost all spells can be had for 7k to 8k each. Hell, I saw three copies of PotNine today for 7k apiece in the bazaar. The only spell that's held it's value is CoT (20k) and that's going to plummet now after the charm nerf.

Oh, and for the record with the Ethereals, most of those spells are down to a couple hundred plat at most. A few weeks back I was wondering how long til we see Ethereals rot, now i'm starting to think it's just a matter of time til Spectrals do...

On Torv, the specs are cheap, the crappy ones sell like ethereals. Pot9 and the charm still could command decent prices (20-30K), but most of the rest 8K or less.

On raids we can get 20 spectrals etc, but ... they just get destroyed. I am sure a lot of specs on the higher price servers (from uber guild raids) are destroyed as well, since they take up valuable space. I wouldn't be suprised if my guild starts to destroy runes since they don't sell that fast, and they get a ton of them. (Fennin ring can net around 20 or so)

/agree druids!

Prices on Brell are 15-40k for the brackencoats/pots and 25-90k for the useful spells...
I almost cried when I bought summer's flame for 11.5k, the other one was being sold for 30k!
Amazing someone could actually click /trader and charge 90kpp for a 63 spell!

Alaten
Hierophant
Credo Fidelis
Brell Serilis

Heh, so how many other Cleric spells go for 185K these days besides HoV? And FYI, PoT9 is the single-target level 63 spell. Bless of the Nine (65 group) is usually 150-200K, right in line with HoV prices. Remember, it's the same folks selling these spells for all classes.

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Rofl, over 100k for bot9/hov?

HoV is 50k max.

Bot9 is 40k max and the guy selling only copy in bazaar hasn't offloaded it in months.

From what I've seen, and what I have heard, spectrals are now rare drops in Teir3, being a much more common drop in Teir4 (elemental planes.) It used to be they were more common in HoH/BoT, but lately the drop rate positively stinks, and runes used to drop regularly off the BoT minis, but not apparently anymore. I got my copy of HoV off a rune from a BoT mini fwiw.

If having the spells for the level matters to you, you might want to evaluate levelling based on your planar access. Then again, thats nothing new anyway, as levelling past 61 without access to PoV/PoS is pure stupidity IMHO, or past 62 without access to BoT/HoH/CoD.

Right now I have the follow specs: the undead nuke (forget the name, thats how often I use it...), supernal light, word of replenishment. I was insanely lucky in getting HoV off that rune, esp. since I got it at level 64 as a result of a rune I was allowed to roll on.

Rambling aside, I agree this system sucks if you are on the wrong end of it, and its frighteningly easy to be on the wrong end of it.../sigh

got Bo9 for 39k recently, CoT 40k, been in HoH for 2 days had 2 spectrals ( i solo ) and seen another 4 while i was logged on drop for guildies :) most other spells are 10k and below 63/64. not really seen many 65 ones cept group DS going for 40k

Kailyssa
AB

I have had 10 spectral wins in my time 8 of them have been copies,first couple copies were understandable right,but 8 out of 10 ,something isn't right about that I'm sure.60k for an extra 5pt DS and only 35k for BoT9?,/boggle.Maybe they could make quests for parchments.I don't know,but what I do know is some of them /bazaar folk need to give their head a shake.I would say this is my 2cp but I spent that on spells too

What I find funny is that level 60 spells are more expensive than level 61 62 and some 63 spells.

Mask of Stalker still 20k on Tunare. (don't have this cause I have a 70% extended Mask of Hunter)

Moonfire around 10k I suppose.

Protection of the Nine 20k

Blessing of the Nine 45k

yeah salacious >.< but sometimes you can get lucky even on Tunare....a while back someone randomly set like 3 copies of pot9 at 10k....so another person was in auction selling for 9.5k...needles to say i couldn't resist and i'm a pot9 casting fool now =P

Kendali Thistlewood
Hierophant of Tunare

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>From what I've seen, and what I have heard, spectrals are now rare drops in Teir3, being a much more common drop in Teir4 (elemental planes.)[/quote]

Spectrals don't drop at all in tier 4 planes, and runes while plentiful only drop off nameds, of which 90% of them are raid force material. Your best bet for spectrals is still BoT and Potactics, even with elemental access. Same for runes which you can get with a group btw.

Spectrals do drop in Elementals, not as commonly as runes, not that runes are common by themselves ;)

PoE/PoW/PoA Spectals drop off of trash, but rarely, and runes only off of minis and named. PoF has never dropped a spectral for me (solo) off the trash, but named/mini always drop spec/rune.

Oh yeah, my two runes = 2x Legacy of Bracken GAH!

Egad!! You all need to come over to Xev and sell your spells! CoT is usually in the 40-45K range now, but still haven't seen BoT9 in over 2 weeks and still see spells over 100K with regularity. The typically disappear, so I'm assuming they must sell ok.

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Yeah, they sell all right. A druid in our guild finally broke down and bought Bot9 for somewhere in the 150k region.

Bought all my spectrals, other than 39k for CoT, all were under 20k each, includes destroy summoned.

Also have mask of the forest (20k). Winter's frost sells for 40k, legacy of bracken 50k (wtf), and bot9 for 40k, though I haven't seen any copies of bot9 for sale lately (and have a friend who is probably going to get me it for cheap)

Bought "Blessing of the Nine" for 20K platina on Antonius Bayle the other day.

I thought the price was very agreable.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Would actually be nice if there was a "Spells" tab on the guild trainer screen where you could spend AA points to earn any given spell from the list .. perhaps 6aa for each 61/62 spell, 9aa for each 63/64, and 12aa for each 65th.

~Firemynd[/quote]

Sheer Brilliance.

/wholeheartedly concur