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Iisbliss
03-02-2003, 04:49 PM
has changed,

tired of defending my EQ game play and dedication to the game against people who call me @#%$ kisser and tell me to get a life....

can your envy...

or whatever it is that leads you to take pot shots at so called "uber" people.

so I decided to go full bitch mode, no more Ms. Nice Person.

Panamah
03-02-2003, 05:16 PM
Neener! There, got that out of the way.

Actually, I don't have anything against people who chose to go the uber route. It's just not something I'm interested in doing. I think there's probably a little class warfare between the haves and have-nots just like there is between the rich and poor in real life. Some of it based on jealousy, certainly. It's like when you hear about rich people being unhappy you think they're spoiled brats. How can you be unhappy when you're rich? (Tell you what, make me rich and lets see if I'm unhappy or not, ok?)

What I do object to is a point of view often expressed by folks in uber guilds that they "work hard" to get what they have and only if you do everything the way they did it, do you deserve to have anything. Yes, it takes a lot of play to get the good stuffs on your character. And certainly joining an uber guild is one route to moving up in the world. But it isn't the only route.

And there is, IMHO, a fair amount of snobbery that some uberish folks display in believing they're the only ones entitled to access in certain zones. Or that because they can do encounter X with Y people everyone else using Y+N is "zerging". That, IMO, is a childish way to try to make yourself appear better by putting down other people.

And there's a good deal of immaturity that I see displayed by uber guilds in terms of maliciously blocking other guilds and people from progressing. Unuber guilds do it too, but I suppose it's more typical of uber guilds to pick on the guilds just below them or at each other's level. To some people, I suppose that's part of the game. To other people, it's like a flashback to grade school and the play yard bullies.

Now, these are generalities and they don't apply to everyone one in an uber guild. But I think they're the attitudes that I see in-game and on the message forums that I associate with uber guilds or heavy raiding guilds, and they're attitudes that I strongly disagree with. However, I know on the other hand, my attitudes on the design of PoP, and my feeling it's a just and noble thing to defeat the flagging system, aren't popular with the other side. I recognize and accept it, and pretty much ignore them because I'm not looking for their approval or acceptance. Sometimes the debate is fun, but I think I've heard all the counter-arguments and none of them have made me change even a single neuron in my brain that perhaps I am wrong.

So, to sum it up, if you're happy with the way you're playing the game, voice your opinion and develop a thick skin or wear one of these: www.magelo.com/eq_item_in...?num=26702 (http://www.magelo.com/eq_item_info.html?num=26702)

Iisbliss
03-02-2003, 09:11 PM
its the work that makes us snobs...

logging on every day to do 8 hours of EQ to support your guild and your progression in game is work...

i dont mind if you dont have that kind of time to give to a game, but dont dis me just cause I do, and dont expect me to think you should have all I do without putting in the same amount of work/time/dedication to guild.

and thats another thing, i see alot of people in EQ with the feeling that the guild works for them, and the problem with THEIR guild is someone else's problem.

its not its YOUR problem.

Oldoaktree
03-02-2003, 10:25 PM
Posted something but then I realized I really didn't care...

Iisbliss
03-03-2003, 05:45 AM
you are not one of the people that continually answers a post about people with gear levels and AAs with

:get a life:

or

:you had to kiss arses to get that stuff:

they know who they are.

TeriMoon
03-03-2003, 07:19 AM
I can understand how annoyed you feel. But really, I don't think those types of responses you mention are any more frequent than the "typical" responses from the more "uber" players here like :

you don't deserve XX because you don't do it my way

i could tell you the answer to that question, but you wouldn't be skilled enough to implement the answer anyhow, so i won't bother

After the last discussion, I simply play and have fun. If I ask question here, I don't do anything but skim the responses of those whose tendency it is (IMO) to try to inflame any situation with an attitude. When I respect someone's opinions (even if I don't agree) I read their posts. If I miss some piece of vital information in my screening of what I read here at least I have peace of mind.

I will not again (I hope) bring myself to the level of mean-spirited name calling I have recently seen here.

Panamah
03-03-2003, 07:56 AM
Realize that someone saying something about people in uber guilds isn't necessarily attacking you personally. They're just venting for god knows, whatever reason. It's like someone making slurs about clerics or other classes on this board. Just someone, IMHO, reacting out of emotion rather than logic.

Working... People in un-uber guilds "work" hard too. Yes, I put quotes around it because we are, after all, playing a game here. Not working for a fortune 500 company.

I have a friend (probably several) in a hard-core raiding guilds that play far less than I do. He logs in, goes and raids, collects his great loot, gets his flags and keys to the next level of PoP planes. It isn't about work, it's about the guild he belongs to and the choices they make with how to spend the time they have.

BricSummerthorne
03-03-2003, 11:44 AM
/rambling anecdote mode ON

I spent some years in the inner city as a kid, where street basketball was a big status thing. I SUCKED at B-ball (still do), so I had to put up with a lot of flak. "Hehe whassup air-ball?"

Ok, fine. I learned that everyone has some vulnerable point, so in I began to tease people about clothes, hair, money (or lack thereof), etc. "haha, dude you shoot like a frog!". "Umm, who had those Nikes before you found 'em?". Got my butt kicked once or twice, hehe, but I wasn't being a doormat.

/rambling anecdote mode OFF

My feelings on uberguilds today follow the same strategy I used on the court. I *do* respect the work and dedication some people put into the game. SURE, I'd love to have an elemental BP, and I admire the wearer. But I expect some respect in return.

If I proudly show off the Elly BP that just dropped for me, and in return I hear "OMG, Dial-a-Druid calling", then from that point on I treat you as a loser with no life. My opinion on anything you do at that point is "you need a girlfriend".

It's really nothing personal, and I have great respect for many of the uberpeople I know. But don't look to me for any props if you can't give a few.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I am speaking in generalities. None of the "you"'s were directed at anyone in this thread =).

Miss Foxfyre
03-03-2003, 01:04 PM
Chill out, Iisbliss. Taking message board posts personally is silly.

Arkturus D
03-03-2003, 05:06 PM
I agree with you Iisbliss. By no means am I uber. I'm a middle of the road druid that doesn't want the high end content just given to me. Some people tend to forget that the journey is why they play the game (well thats why I play) and instead they just want the 'phat lewts'.

Aaeamdar
03-03-2003, 08:09 PM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It's like someone making slurs about clerics or other classes on this board.[/quote]

No, I just really dislike Clerics, or rather really dislike EQClerics. ;)

Iisbliss
03-03-2003, 09:52 PM
you all are no fun = )

well havent had a good flame war in a while now....everything is so nice and peachy its making me nuts = )

Arkturus D
03-03-2003, 10:05 PM
hehe ok iisbliss i LIED :P i want all that gear NOW!!!! I shouldn't even have to attend the raid. When the 'phat lewts' drop I should get a tell and just port in and loot then go back to doing whatever I feel like (prolly killing emperor crush or something like that just to put the gear to some good use)

Panamah
03-03-2003, 10:40 PM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>No, I just really dislike Clerics, or rather really dislike EQClerics[/quote]

/cry

You don't like me? I play a cleric. :mad: Actually, I play a few classes, including a mostly retired druid.

EQClerics is one of my favorite message forums. Most of the time. But DG has always been near and dear to my heart too, for many years. The class warfare always just rips me in two!

BricSummerthorne
03-03-2003, 10:44 PM
yup.

And the emp should be soloable. Root, rot and LOOT, baby!

Arkturus D
03-03-2003, 10:59 PM
If I'm lucky I might get a Dvinn pop too

brum15
03-04-2003, 07:01 AM
I am hurt Aaeamdar (jk)

I am also a EQcleric poster and I dont think we have ever locked horns.

As far as the uber guilds, more power to them. But it is like Bric said. I am very proud of my Elysians. I am in a upper level guild (far from uber but pretty good). I am much more proud of the Elysians I got by myself than I am with gear that a force of 36 got for me.

I did not /OOC for my elysians. I earned it by soloing the buggers myself where one wrong move meant death. And I am level 50. I wound up OOM almost every time even with KEI soloing those suckers. Now I can go with my guild to TOV and we actually have leather armor rotting in the guild bank that is mine for the asking to MQ anytime I want. Yes I am ally with COV. But I earned my elysians and when I hear someone coming on these boards and telling us we dont deserve it cause we dont do the work, it does smack of elitism and will get my dander up.

I could have better armor than elysians without doing the raiding. Not everyone wearing skyshrine armor has earned it. A lot of them MQ it. And even though I could go with the guild and earn it, my elysians is my pride and joy. I am sorry if you feel that players in uber guilds get hammered here, but usually we are just responding to an attack that was made on us first. Let the other player play the game how he feels and dont downgrade his accomplishments.


Except beggars--hate those fookers.

Remi
03-04-2003, 08:36 AM
One of the things that has always confused me about the uber accusation that casual players don't work as hard is that SoE frequently changes the mob encounter after the uber guilds are through with it. And, usually that change is to make the encounter more difficult. All too frequently, the ubers have found an *easy* way to master the encounter, and SoE will patch to remove that *easy* way to win.

I'll ask friends in more uber guilds for suggestions how to beat a mob, and then find that "ooops! Clerics can't bind there anymore, or necros can't mana drain that mob anymore, or ..."

Casual players frequently don't have the equipment the ubers have as well. For example, my guild hasn't been to Sleeper's yet so our tanks don't have primals. Thus, we have to just be that wee bit more organized, better at mana conservation on heals, more creative in strategy to defeat a mob than the ubers. Better equipment makes mob encounters easier.

In addition, it is more difficult to plan a raid around spawn times when dealing with casual players who have other real life obligations. I can't rely on the fact that 90% of my guild will be on every day/night and available to respond to the call that so-and-so mob just spawned. Most uber guild recruitment requirements state that the applicant must be available 7 days a week from 6-midnight. So generally, it takes more work to organize a raid around a particular spawn, or face the mob with fewer people than the ubers can usually round up at a moments notice.

As far as time played, it normally takes a set amount of time to get something accomplished in EQ. The ubers tend to get it done in fewer days because they have longer playing times. But, ultimately, the casuals spend the same amount of time, just over more days, to get the same thing accomplished.

About the only thing that I can see that the ubers have over the casuals is "firsts". They are the first to do and see new things in EQ. But that means they also get that first couple of weeks before loot drops are nerfed, making future encounters even more easy for them, while the casuals have to spend more time later on to get similar drops.

So, it confuses me when the ubers say that the casuals don't work as hard at eq or that the game is more difficult for the ubers. The same encounters tend to be more difficult to defeat for casuals due to equipment and after-the-uber changes made by SoE. The casuals have to work harder to organize raids around rl commitments. Thus, it seems to me that casuals work just as hard and have to deal with even more difficult encounters than the ubers do. Personally, I think the casuals show themselves to be the superior players ultimately and are in a better position to finger wag at the ubers over how easy they really have it. :p

brum15
03-04-2003, 10:08 AM
And it all boils down to people just having fun playing the game in different ways. Who cares how you play or what you get as long as you dont hurt someone else? I could care less what an uber druid gets in his guild raids and will not downplay it and I expect the same from them for my accomplishments.

We all work and the first time I fight the behemoth with my guild will be the first to me. And it will be 100% as tension filled as it was for anyone else. Good luck to all out there no matter how you choose to play. Enjoy your playstyle cause we all earn what we get.(as long as it is not by begging)

elfwyn
03-04-2003, 10:36 AM
What gets my panties in a big wad are those people who join up with a decent guild, pay lip service to "I'm always gonna be there" and all that BS just to get the best gear they can get.

Then they play the being bored, want new adventures, all that palaver and move to an uber guild because they now have the gear, levels and AA's they need to get in.

My guild is a decent guild. I remember when we couldn't kill Vindi, when we had big problems in HoT, Fear, PoG and those planes. Now they are a piece of cake. Will we take Grummus? He's only beat us twice, soon we'll turn the tables.

But, the whiners want all the Tier 4 planes NOW, they don't want to progress with the people they said were their friends.

Those who started with the uber guilds before they became uber and helped build them .. THEY deserve all they get. Those who take a ride with a guild a bit below uber to get what they need .. don't.

How can you feel a sense of accomplishment when you join up with an uber guild, ho-hum .. let's go kill Grummus and 10 mins. later it's done. You didn't work to help the guild get to the point they COULD do it. You just jumped on their coat tails and are now using them for the high flying rewards you think you deserve because you used other people for your gain.

Just sometimes makes me angry. And I don't even know if this even makes any sense.

Mossglade
03-04-2003, 05:17 PM
Get a life. :p

Iisbliss
03-04-2003, 05:39 PM
to Moss: get back in the game you wimp

one thing about bright pink ogres, they are easy to find !!!

MOVING ...STOP AT OGRE....is easier these days

BricSummerthorne
03-04-2003, 05:44 PM
rofl, Iisbliss, omg. That was damn near Zen.

Talk about an irrefutable argument.

Aaeamdar
03-04-2003, 08:06 PM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Quote:
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No, I just really dislike Clerics, or rather really dislike EQClerics
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/cry

You don't like me? [/quote]

My guess is you, being a Druid yourself, are not heavily focussed like the rest of them on bringing Druid nerfs into the game. If I am wrong, then yeah, I don't like you. :)

Mossglade
03-05-2003, 06:44 PM
I just wanted to see if the person that started the thread would go off the deep end when I said that. :p

Aluaeia
03-09-2003, 09:18 PM
I don't have a problem with the "ubers" so much as the people who think that because they're in a guild that can do <insert random god/boss> they're inherently superior to people who aren't in such guild.

Probably just has to do with the fact that I've always had bad luck with my guilds disbanding/falling apart a couple months after I join.

/guildstatus != skill

My apathy consumes anything else before it bothers me.

ShadowfrostXev
03-10-2003, 04:58 AM
Nice threadjack, Vowels...

Panamah
03-10-2003, 08:48 AM
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>My guess is you, being a Druid yourself, are not heavily focussed like the rest of them on bringing Druid nerfs into the game. If I am wrong, then yeah, I don't like you. [/quote]

I play a lot of classes actually. Rogue is my main, cleric is my former main. My druid is mostly retired. But probably Rogue and shammy and cleric are the three I play most often.

For the most part, the clerics on EQClerics are pretty reasonable. Occassionally you get ones that are jealous and want to nerf everyone else because they think the cleric class is broken.

Lets just say, I can usually find a group in 10 minutes or less when I play my shammy or cleric. I'm sure it wouldn't be the same for my druid.

MadroneDorf
03-10-2003, 11:09 AM
I disagree that most mobs are made easy after the "Ubers" (fairly relative term too) are done with it....

Some are actual changes to mobs, and of course after every exspantion the previous gets a lot easier...

Most of these I started attempting/killing after they did the change, some happened during the period we killeded Them....

AoW: Flurry Rate reduced after Mod rod Nerf (Short enuff battle that Mod Rods wernt really needed either)

Cursed: Used to be a real B**tch when first attempted, (not speaking from experience), DTed I think, then

Most SSRA mobs: Reduced HP with Mod rod nerf, most are not incredibully mana intensive, but the longer fights gave more chances to mess up...

Emporer: Changed from Procing DT to procing a 3k. (Admitably also slowed less, but his unslowed attack speed was higher...) (Once again Not speaking from experience)

This isnt even factoring in the SoL AA that made Velious easier, the PoP AA/Levels that made SoL easier etc etc....

The one thing that top/2cd top guild on servers have, is more time on encounters and less/no competition, but most fights usually get easier through either leakage of strats, tweaking, time/item/aa/level increases.

Galamar
03-12-2003, 04:24 AM
'Uber Guild': [UE]-ber-'gild : 1) n. A powerful guild who's collective ego outweighs their collective mass. <em>That !@#$ Uber Guild member KSed me again!</em>

Uber Guilds. That's my definition of an uber guild above and the distinction between an 'uber guild' and a 'powerful guild.' I know some powerful guilds that are not uber guilds. Sure, they raid high end places like uber guilds but still work with the community and are not generic asses to everyone else. A good 80% of the time when someone KSes, steals spawns from a camp, or generally makes a bastard of themselves in the planes... yep, they're from an uber guild. I lodge a complaint and their response? "So?" or "We don't care." Had one say that they would look into it.. and the next day the fellow was back doing the same thing.

Uber Guilds are not the most powerful guilds on the server. They're just the guilds that don't give a damn about anyone else in the server (not to mention probably have the most 'warnings on the account per capita' compared to other guilds.

That's an uber guild. :p

Feyn
04-14-2003, 07:42 AM
Okay I admit it... Bliss you make me sick, you cheese me off, heck you even come to my guilds web site and taunt me with your uberness! You flaunt it in my face that I am not as l33t as you (or from the looks of dickswing.com, not as l33t as krilled cheese). My play time is a meer 390 days, again no where near your otherworldness. It's unfair that you have more time to read boads about EQ, post about EQ, and just plain play more EQ then me. It's also wrong that your uber/power guild is doing better then mine in the EE planes, truely you should feel ashamed.

To make matters *even* worse you come here to the Druids Grove where, honestly, I thought we all lubbered each other and claim that some people are resentful of your l33t uberness. Ohh, wait, I am resentful of that.

Bah okay, I'll stop typing out replys, go back to my server, play more and lootwhore (screw deferring to someone who would make better use of that bracer, I need those stat boosts more).

Feyn Windwalker
Paradigm, Solusek Ro
Since P3 beta

Sobe Silvertree
04-14-2003, 08:42 AM
okay dogs of war..

Uber or not.. the person's attitude, personality and willing to see the world from different perspectives is what is at stake.

I am considered uber.. so what.. I only play mostly during raid time and some on and off time I play to twink or get some more AA's.

But overall.. for someone who take's time to help others and support a community I find the "uber vs. casual" play style <strong>arguement</strong> sorta silly. You play how you play.. I don't log in everyday.. I have 2 jobs, maintain's 2 websites, and still has time to go out, play EQ and still be part of a community. I can only respect my fellow players... play style because that is what they are comfortable with.

Some people are married, have kids, have multiple jobs, go out every night.. and logon in-frequently but enough to keep the interest of the community here and in game should not attack other play styles.. as the saying goes "To each its own".. let it be.. its not a curse.. its not something you need to defend or attack.. its not something you need to worry about.. but it is something you can be proud of.. because in the end the Toon is the result of your time and hard work. This goes for both sides.. those that do have 500 days played, uber gear, and has 7k hps and 7k mana should not misrepresent themselve's as "I am l33t therefore I am better", try being a bit humble.

Nor try to replace someone's pride with your anger.. that.. is what I believe.. is not fair, this applys to anyone and where they are on the latter of EQ.. a person can still climb to the top.. some just take a bit more time then others.. but they are comfortable with that and that in itself should be respected.

Just play the game.. and have fun.. in the end its your game.. your time and your enjoyment.

Again this is my opinion.. not something you need to support/defend or attack :)

Feyn
04-14-2003, 10:36 AM
Ohh, Iisbliss, I also resent that you moved from Sol Ro to some other server and left me behind. I am also envious of your sig, it kicks butt over mine. :(

As for the rest of you that aren't as uber as Bliss, I feel your pain. In truth, non of us are as uber, l33t, and c00l as Lotusfly.

(and for those of you who don't see sarcasm when you read this, here's a hat and to the corner with you)

Lofun
04-17-2003, 12:17 AM
I can't stop playing pedal to the metal by Kazzer

plz help me

Iisbliss
04-20-2003, 09:39 PM
haha suck it Feyn, you conned me into camping your damn Mitty ring, payback is a bitch and so am I = )


/hugs : )

get thy slacker @#%$ in gear old man :)

Iisbliss
04-20-2003, 09:42 PM
PS...Krilled really sucks, lets kick his @#%$ behind the school yard at recess !! : )

Alyster Weedgrowwer
04-27-2003, 06:20 AM
Sobe's post is why he is Uber.

Respectful and to the point.

Iisbliss
04-28-2003, 10:05 AM
yeah but sobe didnt know feyn and I know each other and this isnt a serious thread = )