I saw an earlier thread where the post was about using our 49th lvl "Fire" spell to quad. Is there a trick to using this to quad versus using the Lightning Blast spell?<BR>
Fire puts out 392 for 3 ticks (1176 total dmg) at 260 mana, LB does 477 dmg at 234 mana. But if I'm not mistaken (and I have been alot) the Fire does TOTAL dmg, so that 1176 would be split up amoungst all the mobs (1176/4 mobs = 294 per mob) where LB hits EACH mob (up to 4) with 477 dmg each.<BR>
Anyway, just wondering how and when to use this AE spell...
TY

That sounds like a rain spell, which means it will have a static AoE. That would mean you'd have to keep the quad stationary for all three waves. I don't see that as a viable option.

I don't know if it varies based on spell, but the 60+ rain spell does total damage to each creature in the AoE for three waves. If I'm lucky, I can do 2550 to each mob affected.

How do you get 2 or 3 mobs to be stationary in the same close area?

AE Root. :grin:

Fire isn't a rain, it's a targeted ae (single blast) with a short term resist debuff effect.

Oh, and the only reason someone would use Fire to quad is because it works indoors (but has totally **** efficiency).

And AE root works how...?

The 60th druid spell Entrapping Roots (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=1608&source=Live) roots everything in a small area surrounding the target, just like the quad spells.

IIRC, it'll affect up to 5 targets (including YOU, if you're close enough).

Ok, for a minute I thought I had completely missed something about my druid, but at 52, I'm not familiar with that spell yet...hehe

You would probably unroot them with the first nuke anyway. Worse, some would probably come unrooted while some stayed, which would ruin any "efficiency" you might find in this strategy. Lightning Blast is what you should be using for quadding outdoors. I don't think I've ever used Fire for anything at all, which is why I didn't remember what it was. I do recall thinking about why Ice (Frost?...whatever it's called) claimed to do 600+ dmg but Fire only said 300 something.

Ice is used as a DD in Skyfire and BW against the wurms and wyverns that are fire resistant...

Fire makes a great spell to ghetto ae with in Akheva with batches of 3-5 alien dudes.... get a couple tanks, couple druids/mages/wizards, and someone to watch heals and it's a hella way to bounce up through the 50's

A rain won't hit more than 4 times per cast (combined, between the three waves and all NPCs in range). AE root is limited to 5 non-player targets I think.

Rains will hit a max of 5 times, and 4 mobs, iirc.

Something like:
1 mob, 1 hit per wave, 3 hits total
2 mobs, 1 hit each on first wave, 1 hit each on second wave, and 1 hit on 1 on third wave
3 mobs, 1 hit first wave per mob, 1 hit on 2 mobs second wave, nothing on third wave
4 mobs, all get hit once on first wave, one gets hit on second wave, nothing on third

It's been a while since I even considered using rain spells, so I don't remember exactly.

Oh and yes, ae root is a max of 5 targets, so is ae snare.

It's 4 hits for the rains. Get 2 mobs in range, and they'll each be hit twice (assuming both stay in range). Getting hit yourself doesn't count towards this total.

I'm not sure what you mean by 4 hits. It might be limited to 4 targets, but Winter's Storm (if I remember the name correctly) will hit it's targets with all three waves. That's not three waves divided by the number of targets, and it's definitely not four waves. If I have a group of three mobs and I cast Winter's Storm (and they all stay put), I get 9 damage messages of 850 a wave, for a total of 2550 damage to each affected mob.

i want that spell! 7500 non-crit damage for 500 mana? why, with fomm it'd be well nigh unto 10k damage standard!

/cackle

sorry for the ribbing, peregrinus, but you must be mistaken.

It's always possible that I'm wrong. However, everyone else in my group must have been wrong on multiple occasions. It's definitely been a topic of debate more than once. I've had people ask me wtf I did and how it was possible. Unless something recently has fixed it, it still works. My buddy absolutely wouldn't believe it, but he also witnessed it. Go try it. If it doesn't work for you, sorry to get your hopes up. However, it certainly appeared to work for me on more than one occasion, and I wasn't the only one of that opinion.

Assuming all mobs are in range of the AE the whole time, rains (Cascade of Hail, Pogonip, Blizzard, Winter's Storm) will do the following:

1 Target: Gets hit 3 times
2 Targets: Each gets hit twice*
3 Targets: Each gets hit once, then one of them gets hit again
4 Targets: Each gets hit once.

If you're also in range, you get hit also, and as Parallan noted, you don't count toward the total.

* Unless the first hit kills one target. This is what I shoot for on chain pulls; kill current target with the first wave which also hits the the new pull; which then gets two more waves.

3 Targets: Each gets hit once, then one of them gets hit again
4 Targets: Each gets hit once.


Wow. Thats news to me (honestly). Doesn't that make this spell useless since we have a regular AE DD for 1100 each for up to 4 mobs? Our highest rain spell is 850. Suppose its a mana ratio but would rather get confirmation from someone near the numbers than myself. =)

I never knew it worked this way. I assumed 850 per mob up to 4 mobs, 3 waves.... /shrug

Thanks!

-Grendul
Storm Warden of Zeb
Iratus Lepus

No, because an AE DD can only hit targets once at most. If you use a rain on two targets, both will get hit twice each. Also, rains have a larger AE radius, so the mobs can be further apart. (Plus our best rain has a resist check of cold -50, although rains seem to have an automatic chance of failure that regular nukes don't have.)

Any chance you're on a PvP server Peregrinus? It's possible rains might work differently there. I know they don't have that restriction against players themselves (on any server), and I think PBAE spells work differently (in that they affect players too), so it wouldn't surprise me if rains worked differently as well.

Not to mention Rain spells have an innate chance to be resisted near 20%, correct?