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Lazy8s
07-06-2004, 12:14 PM
Well I played Everquest until I made one of the first beastlords on my server and leveled him to 32. About that time Luclin was the latest craze and then SoE announced 2 more retail expansions. I got really irritated that on top of the (newly raised) monthly fee I was going to have to buy 2 new expansions just to keep playing with everyone else. I decided to play DAoC which I loved but there really is no end-game. I am thinking about going back to EQ and I am wondering if it is worth it? I still have my old characters but I would most DEFINATELY be moving servers away from karana as most people don't play when I do. However, since I will be starting at level one with absolutely nothing will I be able to get groups or guilds? I know enough about the game (I think) to not look like a complete noob but for now I would be playing with EQ, Kunark and Luclin; when EQ Platinum comes out I would buy that and get the rest of the expansions.

I'm not asking if I could be the best of the best with all kinds of bells and whistles, I know EQ2 is coming out as well as WoW and everything but I want a game to play while I wait. I would REALLY like to play a cleric however I am more of a casual gamer (a couple or 3 hours a day at the most) and I know that I wouldn't be able to compete with the powergamers.

I logged onto my account in December and was in Pauldaul caverns and it seemed mostly deserted, will I need the new expansions just to be able to get into populated zones?

Also, do you have a class recomendation for someone like me?

katahn
07-06-2004, 12:49 PM
Well I played Everquest until I made one of the first beastlords on my server and leveled him to 32. About that time Luclin was the latest craze and then SoE announced 2 more retail expansions. I got really irritated that on top of the (newly raised) monthly fee I was going to have to buy 2 new expansions just to keep playing with everyone else. I decided to play DAoC which I loved but there really is no end-game. I am thinking about going back to EQ and I am wondering if it is worth it? I still have my old characters but I would most DEFINATELY be moving servers away from karana as most people don't play when I do. However, since I will be starting at level one with absolutely nothing will I be able to get groups or guilds? I know enough about the game (I think) to not look like a complete noob but for now I would be playing with EQ, Kunark and Luclin; when EQ Platinum comes out I would buy that and get the rest of the expansions.

I'm not asking if I could be the best of the best with all kinds of bells and whistles, I know EQ2 is coming out as well as WoW and everything but I want a game to play while I wait. I would REALLY like to play a cleric however I am more of a casual gamer (a couple or 3 hours a day at the most) and I know that I wouldn't be able to compete with the powergamers.

I logged onto my account in December and was in Pauldaul caverns and it seemed mostly deserted, will I need the new expansions just to be able to get into populated zones?

Also, do you have a class recomendation for someone like me?

Wait 4 or 5 months for the Christmas shopping season and get EQ2 or WoW. Seriously.

EQ1 is end-game heavy, and raid-oriented (big raids too), with gear aquired from them making levels nearly irrelevent except marginally for spell access. For such a short period of time, you might barely if you power-gamed it, make it there, but if its not your interest, I'd play CoH until one of the others came out, or just take a break from MMORPGs period.

Me, I play a bit again (at least until the subscription finally runs out) on Morden Rasp, but about once a week or every other week, for a couple hours at best. DAoC may have no endgame, but if you aren't a hardcore raider, neither does EQ.

Grendul3164
07-06-2004, 01:13 PM
However, since I will be starting at level one with absolutely nothing will I be able to get groups or guilds?

Most definently. At least on Zeb, I have noticed many first time toons working from the ground up so I really dont think groups will be an issue. Plus, if you go the cleric route - low level clerics are always in demand.

for now I would be playing with EQ, Kunark and Luclin; when EQ Platinum comes out I would buy that and get the rest of the expansions.

Shouldnt be too much of a concern until you hit 46. By then Platinum should be out. Until then you will have to just tell LDON groups no. =P

I would REALLY like to play a cleric however I am more of a casual gamer (a couple or 3 hours a day at the most)

Then play a cleric! As you are a pretty needed class you should have little problems finding a group thru most of your career (will have issues 58-63ish). Other clerics can tell you more there (im just a lowly druid).

Other class ideas would be dependent on your play style. "Someone like you" doesn't help me even take a guess as I dont know you. However, if youre worried about the group options vs. time route - you could always roll a soloing class. Necros and druids come to mind first and foremost. And as a druid you get to play healer in groups as well. Might be a decent option for you.

Good luck and welcome back!

Lazy8s
07-06-2004, 01:36 PM
I think I am going to try it. I just can't imagine taking a break from MMORPGs totaly. What I meant by "someone like me" was someone who won't play for extended periods of time which means I'll have to solo if I don't get a group. Any suggestions as to what server to play? I live on the east coast and game mostly 9pm-11pm nightly. I would think a very populated server would be best because it might mean groups are easier to find however a lowly populated server may mean I have an easier time finding a guild. Any suggestions?

Lazy8s
07-06-2004, 02:37 PM
what's the groupability of a druid? Having done some looking at lunch it seems a druid may be the best pick for me. It seems to be group friendly as well as solo-able while necro looks to be mainly solo while cleric is mostly group-only. Might I be best off with the druid allowing me to group if there's one looking but solo if I can't find a group so I don't spend most of the night waiting?

katahn
07-06-2004, 03:24 PM
I really don't recommend a cleric for someone who's play time is sporadic, or can't stay on for long periods. Since for now clerics tend to be rather in-demand for high end stuff, you could get sucked into it, and they really don't solo well at all. For group and solo friendly I'd recommend magician, necromancer, or beastlord. All three can solo nicely, and are generally very welcome in groups.

Lazy8s
07-06-2004, 03:38 PM
that's exactly the problem I have in any MMORPG I play. I really CAN'T play more than a couple hours so even if I did get a group for high-end stuff after a couple hours I would have to log no matter what was going on, I mean RL is still more important and I think that could tick some ppl off really quickly.

Aly
07-06-2004, 03:38 PM
Well I played Everquest until I made one of the first beastlords on my server...

I just kinda find that line verah amusing. After all... on the opening day of Luclin, there were beastlords galore. =)

Lazy8s
07-06-2004, 03:40 PM
yeah opening day there were a ton but after a couple months when beastlord pets out damaged us even into our 30s due to craptacular h2h weapons and we all had to use staves I was one of few beastlords. There were only 3 in my guild that stuck with theirs.

Atropine
07-06-2004, 05:34 PM
Umm beastlord H2H caps at the same level as 2hb, 1hb, 1hp until level 51 where the H2H cap goes beyond 200. Basically you have the same weapon efficiency no matter what you use up until lvl 50 with a beastlord. (assuming they have the same ratio/proc)

Tudamorf
07-06-2004, 05:52 PM
Now isn't the time to come back. EQ is a at an all-time low: the latest expansion has serious problems and is very casual-unfriendly, and unless you are going to be powerleveled, you will have a very lonely time at the lower levels. Wait to see if the next expansion rehabilitates EQ (doubtful), or better yet, wait for EQ or WoW or the next best thing.

Aly
07-06-2004, 10:07 PM
Or you could play City of Heroes. =)

Iilane SalAlur
07-06-2004, 10:43 PM
For once I agree with Aly, City of Heroes might be a better game for you since its very pro-casual as opposed to EQ which is very pro-uber gamers these days.

Lazy8s
07-07-2004, 08:45 AM
yeah, I've thought about CoH but I really kinda like the medieval lore stuff. Being a superhero doesn't really do anything for me. I tried Lineage 2 and that REALLY sucked. Maybe if I got in a guild that needed a cleric I could get some love and some help leveling? Any suggestions there?

Arbold
07-07-2004, 11:02 AM
Now isn't the time to come back. EQ is a at an all-time low: the latest expansion has serious problems and is very casual-unfriendly, and unless you are going to be powerleveled, you will have a very lonely time at the lower levels. Wait to see if the next expansion rehabilitates EQ (doubtful), or better yet, wait for EQ or WoW or the next best thing

Thats whats ppl been saying for years, ever since Asherons Call was announced, fact is EQ still has more subscribers than any game out there. Im not saying that most ppl wont be lvl 65 with 200aas, but u can still have a good time as a lowlvl.

Grygonos Thunderwulf
07-07-2004, 11:29 AM
Thats whats ppl been saying for years, ever since Asherons Call was announced, fact is EQ still has more subscribers than any game out there. SURVEY SAYS...............AAAAAANNNNGGH! Lineage is the most populat MMO on the market. makes eq look pathetic in comparison of subscriber numbers.

Arbold
07-07-2004, 11:44 AM
"They (Lineage) may have close to 4 million “subscribers”, but most of these players did not buy a box at the local software store and then pay a monthly subscription fee like traditional MMOGs. Instead, they play in “PC baangs”, Internet cybercafes in Korea that buy Lineage access from the company and then sell it at hourly rates to customers"

Very big difference, cant really compare, selling hourly rates to customers, and buying CDs at playing at home...

Lazy8s
07-07-2004, 12:14 PM
has anyone tried Lineage2 aside from me? It REALLY bites. It may have close to 4million subscribers but how many in North America? I can tell ya that on the 3 servers I played it was only about 50% english-speaking and that's NOT most of their's first language. For me Lineage 2 was nothing more than a RPG-like Diablo2, all the duping and hacking and names like "SuperSayanVegeta2001aaaaaxXXXXxx" or "10000001NowYouDie10000001"......Lineage 2 is no substitute for EQ that's for sure, even if the graphics do blow it out of the water...

katahn
07-07-2004, 12:25 PM
I tried it. Loved the anime-style character graphics but hated the rather "fan servicey" way the female avatars were modelled. That, and the lack of diversity in said models had me feeling like an extra in "Attack of the Clones."

For somene who feels EQ is a grind, Lineage is worse by orders of magnitude, in EQ I didn't feel like levelling was slow until I was well into my 40s and 50s, 50s especially, but in Lineage, it "felt" slow and it "felt" like a grind almost immediately (starting around level 10, halfway to your first quest for branching class change.)

That CoH is "comic book hero based" instead of "fantasy based" is about the only reason I haven't tried it. I really am a fan of the fantasy genre myself as well. And low-level EQ isn't nearly what it used to be, groups are harder to find if you don't know where to look, and even then, lacking in gear you'll want to hunt places groups don't go generally or have to resort to buying plat on the black market, to match a game where the majority are twinked and racing back to 65.

EQ1 is not currently casual friendly at all, and is very hack-n-slash as an RPG goes with almost nothing to "tie" a character to their background, race, or other features of the world in general. I would actually recommend getting NeverWinter Nights and finding an open PW (persistent world) to play on for a more fantasy-themed casual experience, or simply waiting for a more casual friendly MMORPG with such a theme to arrive. Presently both EQ2 and WoW seem to be placing a fair amount of effort in making sure there is stuff for all playstyles, not just the "uber" and EQ2 in particular is distinguishing itself from EQ1 as being a game focused on the "group" and in "small scale multi-group encounters" (translation: raids capped at 4 groups.)

Lazy8s
07-07-2004, 12:32 PM
I may do that but I so loved EQ /cry

Ok ok so maybe I got back to Karana even though I don't speak French and play my 3x cleric or beastlord, could I get groups then?

Heh I am really desperate to play EQ. I want to get the guild/group experience going but if not I WILL solo dernit! :p I will pick up WoW or EQ2 certainly but last night I watched TV instead of play games (since I didn't reactivate EQ and my DAOC subscription is up) and I could hardly concentrate. I just need that outlet, it's almost medicinal to me it lets out all the stress of the day. Anyways, if any of you know a guild on Karana or another server that would be new/returning player friendly please tell me. I'm not askin for a PL I just know that most big guilds hardly have time for anyone less than 60 or so now. :( If I soloed a necro would I be groupable at higher levels? I don't mind soloing to get there but I would like to be groupable eventually.

Grendul3164
07-07-2004, 02:16 PM
You may consider rolling a character on Morden Rasp. I thread was just bumped on it in this same forum that describes a guild that is focusing on the old world content - and limiting themselves to such. May be enough for you to get the escape, and still enjoy EQ.

The guild is Jaded Dissent if I remember correctly.

Aly
07-07-2004, 02:31 PM
Play City of Heroes. It has fantasy elements to it. Play a Magic / Regen katana/broadsword scrapper and try to only do missions involving Circle of Thorns, Tsoo, Banished Pantheon, and the like.

Amped
07-07-2004, 04:46 PM
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Amped
07-07-2004, 04:48 PM
MY advice would be move to Kane Bayle. It is a Euro serve, but has high concentrations of english speaking people. I have a small guild with lots of casual players. Good people here too. Look me up if you decide to move to Kane Bayle. Also, I reccomend druid as a good solo class with the ability to group. At higher ends, necros end up being little more than mana batteries. (Although I don't have a high level necro myself, this is what i hear constantly). I am Amped, Guild leader of Keepers of the Ruin.

vestix
07-07-2004, 08:10 PM
Consider playing an Iksar monk. With the bind wounds cap now at 70%, mend and innate regen, monks can solo with very little downtime. The Field of Bone is the best newbie zone I've played in, and Kurn's tower gives good xp (unless its been changed recently) as you approach the mid levels. My monk (currently level 43) xps far faster than my druid ever did at that level, and I often get /tells asking me to join groups.

Hope this helps
Vestix

Lazy8s
07-08-2004, 08:17 AM
I think I'm actually gonna try the monk as I had a few in-game friends that used to solo them very well. Plus it was kinda fun to RP and kill the quenos guards with them. I hopped on my 30 cleric last night did a /who all 25 35 and it returned 1 level 25 beastlord so I think I'm a little out of luck on the low level group idea. :-/ Anyways wish me luck and we'll just see what happens.

Grygonos Thunderwulf
07-08-2004, 08:46 AM
I've found my new iksar beastlord to be quite awesome.. even without twink gear.... curscale it up... do patriarch armor quests... and do their claw quests... you should be set.

Lazy8s
07-08-2004, 08:54 AM
heh, sounds like I'm gonna be a lizardman. where can I find info on the noob armor quest. I know I did it on my cleric but the quest was half broken at the time. Don't remember where I read it.

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-08-2004, 08:59 AM
As for all those telling you not to come back, Ignore them. This game is still fun and there is still lots to do in the lower level game, Its all about how you play the game. These people are disgruntled and will never be truly happy with any game.
My suggestion would be to move to the Rodcet Nife Server, Currently there is a big higher end population, but also a very big lower end population. Myself and My brother started two new alts and we are having a ball. They have implemented a new tutorial and also a very nice newbie armor quest that has been very fun to do. I do suggest however dishing out the dough for LDON, Its currently the greatest bang for the buck and very fun at lower levels the same as at higher levels.
I beleive Eq now will let u download the expansion directly from them.
Chubbexul Demonsbane
65th Druid on Rodcet Nife
Noble Alliance

Lazy8s
07-08-2004, 09:07 AM
yeah my plan is to get platinum for $30ish instead of DLing all the expansions for $50ish. I know it's only $20 but considering I'll be moving to EQ2 or WoW probably I don't see why I shouldn't just wait a couple more weeks to get them. I also want PoP for those portals!! :p

Aly
07-08-2004, 09:55 AM
These people are disgruntled and will never be truly happy with any game.

:bs:

I'm having a great time in City of Heroes. There's very little to zero downtime. Travel really isn't a big deal unless you gimp yourself by not taking a travel power. Even then, you can just group with people that have the teleport pool powers and get them to recall you around. Everything that's wrong in EQ, they did right in CoH. My only gripe with CoH is that controllers often make battles boring. So I just don't group with overzealous controllers that lock down everything they can, all the time.

Most of the people on this forum that are griping about EQ are the ones that have done pretty much everything. For me, the game just got too boring and too limited in what I could do. Unless I had hours upon hours of time free, I couldn't make any progress. And unless I had all that itme free... it had to be speant trying to get into an uber guild, raiding and whatnot just to try and catch up. Not a very fun game anymore.

City of Heroes is a very fun game. However, I'd abandon it in a heartbeat if someone use the CoH style of gameplay and the graphics engine to make a medieval fantasy based game.

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-08-2004, 01:38 PM
Thats my point, its not fair to tell this poor soul not to come back, that this game is deteriating and that there is only Higher Lvl content to be found. As matter of fact they have added lots of Lower LvL content. Ex... Newbie Armor quest, New lower lvl zones with Exp modifiers(which are full of PC's), Adv's and upcomming Solo Adv's.
So for those saying there is no content I say Blahhhhh! =).
Maybe its not fair to say everyone is disgruntled but the majority is. For whover doesnt like this game anymore, Please leave the game, Stop posting, Stop Reading the EQ Boards. Your ruining the wonderful experience of lots of new players and lots of players coming back to the game.

Ps. Can you imagine how much change there has been in the game since this beastloard last saw the game, Can you imagine the feeling of knowing there is so much new things to explore. So please dont ruin this experience like all those alot of you have ruined in the past.
Chubbs

Lazy8s
07-08-2004, 02:18 PM
haha yeah, I got on and looked last night, my beastlord had JUST dung 25 and was zoned into Shadow Haven for the first time last night (he was vashir) if that gives ya any idea how long ago I quit. But unfortunately my cleric died the day I quit so I lost all her gear. :( That's ok I'm gonna try a new server anyways. It did however kind of throw me that Verant is gone now....

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-08-2004, 02:24 PM
Well I hope it works out for you if you happen to mover to Rodcet Nife please send me a tell will be happy to help with anything Needed.

Aly
07-08-2004, 03:29 PM
Newbie Armor quest

Have you actually tried to complete the newbie armor quests?! They're massive timesinks as bad as any other quest. I tried to do the rogue quest for the helluva it and when it took me three days of slaughtering greens to get one drop, I gave up. You'd be level 15 and still farming greens by the time you got all the drops, unless you're very lucky.

Lazy8s
07-08-2004, 04:27 PM
yeah, it took my bro's druid finding my target and me killing it almost 20 logged hours to get my noob armor, I think they're kinda like the freshman weed-out courses. ;) However the cleric armor is SWEET looking mint green plate armor, VERY nice ppl thouhgt I was a lot higher level than I was. :p

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-09-2004, 08:26 AM
As matter of fact yes, I did the newbie armor quest for my Berserker and my Beastlord, and my brother also did his for his warrior, Not to bad at all!! yes its a bit of a timesink,but thats what EQ is a game that has a lots of things to do that takes a very long time(which in my opinion makes you appreciate what you have a little more). And btw it took my brother 1 night to get his newbie armor set, it took me 2 with my berserker and 3 with my beastlord, and btw I did it with the actual characters that are wearing the armor.
Chubbs

Lazy8s
07-09-2004, 09:21 AM
if you want a good laugh:

so I started an iksar monk last night but I was stuck running around in this little underground cave-like thing with some human (Arian or something) who was an NPC> I couldn't figure out how the heck to get out or how in the world I was supposed to find mobs to start leveling. I TOTALY forgot that you have to do that noob quest and turn in your note and junk. Well, after about an hour of cussing at the screen/my game/everything I finally said forget it (politely toned down version) and attacked the NPC. Needless to say I died in 1 hit but the upside is that I spawned at the city gates and started leveling. The downside is I think I messed up my noobie quest so tonight I think I get to start over again. :p Oh, and I started on the......dang I can't remember, anyways it says the "preferred" server and there were a TON of lowbies!!! So I guess things are looking up for me in that area. On the bad side I started cussing in /ooc cause I was REALLY mad I wasted all that time and some dumb voice kept reading the tutorial to me which didn't help at ALL and I had an in-game GM ask me to watch my language cause there were kids and stuff. It kinda reminded me why I quit but I think I'm gonna give it another try tonight and see if I can figure it out.

Aly
07-09-2004, 09:27 AM
yes its a bit of a timesink,but thats what EQ is a game that has a lots of things to do that takes a very long time(which in my opinion makes you appreciate what you have a little more)

No... timesinks do NOT make me appreciate what I have more. It makes me wonder why I wasted $12 a month to play a game that is more like a damned chore; and at higher levels, more like a damned second job. There really isn't a timesink in CoH, and yet tons and tons of people are having an absolute blast! Sure, there's still the archetype(class) balance whiners on the forums, but they represent less than 2% of the playerbase. Probably less than 1% really, since not everyone on the forums whines and cries aout blsters doing this or controllers doing that.

So far I haven't had any problems fitting in to any group on any task. Be it random street sweeping, indoor missions, or task forces facing terrible arch villains. Every character of mine has fulfilled some role in the group and did so successfully in my opinion. I guess some people want to play the super class with super everything. Super damage, super control, super healing, super range, super tanking, and what not. *sighs*

Lazy8s
07-09-2004, 09:54 AM
that's why I kinda came back to EQ. I really don't care about leveling (unless I joined a guild and wanted to hang out with them doin higher lvl stuff) and I don't really care about my armor or anything. I just kinda want to have fun. If I never make it off Kunark that's just as well in my opinion because that means I won't have rediculous travel times and such. I just like the races/classes they have. Even if my class doesn't solo very well, that's cool too. I just kinda want to have fun. What I do miss however is the sort of "community" feel that all MMORPGS seem (to me at least) to have lost. There are all these powergamers now and it's all about being the best arouind, what ever happened to just logging on and taking a group of 4 wizzards, a druid, and 2 paladins and hunting mobs in dungeons. Who cares if the group blows and wizzies are gimped? I mean it's all about having fun and playing the class you like. Some of my best memories are from Gfay as a noobie cause all the other noobies were like "woooooow this game is sooooo cool! sure'll group with you, I don't care what class you play, it's just fun to group." I think, actually, what killed the game for me was getting higher level cause then people were like "we want a paladin and a paladin ONLY so go away!". Maybe I'll just create toons, take them to 25 and then roll another one....

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-09-2004, 10:44 AM
No... timesinks do NOT make me appreciate what I have more. It makes me wonder why I wasted $12 a month to play a game that is more like a damned chore; and at higher levels, more like a damned second job. There really isn't a timesink in CoH, and yet tons and tons of people are having an absolute blast! Sure, there's still the archetype(class) balance whiners on the forums, but they represent less than 2% of the playerbase. Probably less than 1% really, since not everyone on the forums whines and cries aout blsters doing this or controllers doing that.

So far I haven't had any problems fitting in to any group on any task. Be it random street sweeping, indoor missions, or task forces facing terrible arch villains. Every character of mine has fulfilled some role in the group and did so successfully in my opinion. I guess some people want to play the super class with super everything. Super damage, super control, super healing, super range, super tanking, and what not. *sighs*

My friend lets face the facts #1 if your not enjoying EQ then you really need to evaluate why you are still playing, I know you have made many friends in the past with this game but its time to let it go. Timesinks are what keep people coming back to play every day.
You see games like COH are very fun, but they will not last as a long lasting MMORPG. They have no replay value afer A while which is attributed to the fact that there are no timesinks.
SO please, please. I think its time you and the rest of you Malcontents Delete Eq from your CPU, Erase thedruidsgrove and other EQ websites from your favorites, and move on. Better yet if all of you insist on lurking on these websites Learn to Shut your Mouths and stop ruining these boards for the rest of us
Chubbs

Aly
07-09-2004, 11:00 AM
My friend lets face the facts #1 if your not enjoying EQ then you really need to evaluate why you are still playing, I know you have made many friends in the past with this game but its time to let it go. Timesinks are what keep people coming back to play every day.

Read my sig silly. I retired from EQ (why do we use the word retire? Isn't that a word you use for jobs mostly? ^.^) several months ago. However, I have interest in coming back, if they ever get their act together and get rid of the timesinks. Timesinks are NOT the reason people come back to play EQ. Stubborness, masochism... those are the things that keep people playing EQ. That and some damn good friends.

You see games like COH are very fun, but they will not last as a long lasting MMORPG. They have no replay value afer A while which is attributed to the fact that there are no timesinks.

Mmm, I'm willing to bet CoH last just as long as EQ does. As long as the devs at Cryptic continue to provide an excellent level of customer service and new, interesting content, it will stay around. It's just damn fun to play. The replay value for CoH is the fact that it has 5 different archetypes, each of which play very differently from each other. Within those archetypes there are many different sets of powers... which also work differently from one another.

You have to also consider that within a month of going Live, CoH has already had a major update that added two new city zones, upped the level cap by ten levels, added several new groups of villains, and added a ton of new animations. It also modified old villain groups, giving CoT and 5thC the ability to lock you in jail if they defeat you and you try to teleport to the hospital.

I've been playing since release and am just now hitting the halfway mark with my main, yet I'm still having a blast. Even when I play an alt and am doing similar missions I've done before... it's still fun to play. Each of my alts has a different playstyle and different tactics to use. The massive number of options for character creation is stupifying. Unless someone deliberatly attempts to copy someones outfit, you'll very rarely see two people that look quite alike.

Better yet if all of you insist on lurking on these websites Learn to Shut your Mouths and stop ruining these boards for the rest of us

*laughs* Well that would include several moderators and newshounds on this very board Chubbs. Perhaps you should think before you open your mouth next time. We lurk because we harbor a hope that maybe someday SoE will realize that timesinks are pointless in the game. That perhaps someday SoE will see that time-limited gamers are their target market instead of the resource hogging uber goobers.

We also lurk because we did make a lot of good friends in EQ and we want to stay in touch with them. Boards like this one are a great place to maintain those friendships. Also, please note that The Druids Grove is no longer an EQ only website. You may have not noticed, what with all the time you have to spend playing EQ to overcome the idiotic timesinks, but there are several forums for other games, including City of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Horizons, et al.

:moon:

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-09-2004, 11:28 AM
Wow your are making this way to easy!!
1. If your retired stop talking about the game better yet stop bashing the game and scaring away potential players.
2.Please dont come back. People like you (whiners) are the major problem with EQ.
3.COH last as long as EQ? LOL HAHAHAHAHAH. Come on. Even you know this is not true. We have seen tons of games come and go. While yes COH maybe alot of fun (which btw I'm trying to get my wife to start playing COH.) There is no way this game will last more than a year or two. Ther are alrealdy lots of people that play COH saying its kidna getting old. No timesinks= easier to leave the game.
4.COH had a great launch best to my memory. But its definately not a came with substance. it will be yesterdays flavor once another game comes out that takes there style of game play into effect. Which we know this is industry is full of Copy Cats. Mosty likely it will be some type of Star Wars game.
5. Yes I realize this is no longer an EQ exclusive message Board, But please move your pretty little eyes to the top of the screen and you will see that this is an EQ Thread. How dumb can you be to say this is not an eq exclusive message board and still be posting on EQ boards.
6.Yes I realize you have made many good friends here on these boards and would like to mantain relationships with it but there is a section on these boards to post non EQ related material. SO you can take it there.
7. So as u can see all your excuses that you used to try to reason why you still post here are ridiculous and by continuing to post here you will prove your an ignorant looser, who in life likes to complain just to get some attention.

Iilane SalAlur
07-09-2004, 11:51 AM
Okay, cool it. It is one thing to insult a person and totally different to insult an entire game. Lazy8s asked a question, both me and Alys gave what we feel is an honest answer - that I do not believe it is viable to start a new account with EQ and find enjoyment. Of course I may be wrong about that but it is still my honest opinion that CoH is a better choice for someone starting afresh. There is no need to insult here.

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-09-2004, 12:09 PM
Okay, cool it. It is one thing to insult a person and totally different to insult an entire game. Lazy8s asked a question, both me and Alys gave what we feel is an honest answer - that I do not believe it is viable to start a new account with EQ and find enjoyment. Of course I may be wrong about that but it is still my honest opinion that CoH is a better choice for someone starting afresh. There is no need to insult here.

Im not insulting the entire game, if you were to read what I wrote Iilane my remarks were made very specifically made towards posters who all they do is whine and complain about the game. Especially retired EQ players. And Like I said earlier COH is a very good game, but I only stated my opinion that the game will no not be around as long as EQ as ALLY said it would be. Please read carefully my posts and replys and please reply back here and tell me if you really feal I insulted a whole game.
Chubbs

Lazy8s
07-09-2004, 12:46 PM
meh, well none of this ^^^^ would make anyone want to play either game, however I am gonna give EQ a try. I might play CoH if EQ really is a bomb but I doubt it.

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-09-2004, 12:52 PM
I really am trying to get my wife to play COH, she came to me with some interest a couple of weeks ago. Just trying to get her to get into MMORPG. But she insists she cant she tells me" If we both get addicted to games who will be the one to force us to get to bed"
Its a great short time game with lots of quick action.
Either way I hope you find what you are looking for from the gaming world, and I truly hope the ignorance of some do not tarnish your path!!
Chubbs

Callahad
07-09-2004, 01:07 PM
No... timesinks do NOT make me appreciate what I have more. It makes me wonder why I wasted $12 a month to play a game that is more like a damned chore;

Since EQ is based on the enjoyment of what takes time and effort to attain, it's easy to see why you retired, and why EQ can never be what you want it to be. CoH fits the bill for you, fine. EQ is not, and I certainly don't want it to become, CoH. Neither in genre, nor in gameplay.

For our friend that started this thread, I hope you realize what kind of game EQ is. It will require time, social skills, and a goal-oriented mindset. While it's possible to play it for a while just for the heck of it, as in log in, have a blast and kill some mobs, just like a bowling game, it doesn't last long. To enjoy EQ for longer, you gotta like building your toon up slowly. EQ is like a marathon, it's lots of hours of preparation for the final showdown.

You can still enjoy the road; you can still have a blast every time you log in. But the real enjoyment is to be had on the fewer times when you reach goals you have set for your toon. And from then on you can enjoy the fruits of having reached that goal. If you have that frame of mind, then I predict you will enjoy EQ for a long while. If not, you will still enjoy EQ, but I predict you will start to enjoy other games more not too far down the road. That is my humble and honest opinion.

Callahad

Aly
07-09-2004, 01:22 PM
1. If your retired stop talking about the game better yet stop bashing the game and scaring away potential players. I'd love to scare away potential players. Maybe SOE would see the hit their pocketbook is taking and re-think their stance on timesinks in EQ. I think anyone looking into EQ must be informed about the massive timesinks they're going to face.

2.Please dont come back. People like you (whiners) are the major problem with EQ. I don't whine. I point out the problems with EQ and the reasons I no longer play. If those problems were to be fixed, I'd play EQ again. Biggest problem with EQ --- the timesinks. You can look at my profile to find all the posts I've made about timesinks. No need to repeat that again.

3.COH last as long as EQ? LOL HAHAHAHAHAH. Come on. Even you know this is not true. We have seen tons of games come and go. While yes COH maybe alot of fun (which btw I'm trying to get my wife to start playing COH.) There is no way this game will last more than a year or two. Ther are alrealdy lots of people that play COH saying its kidna getting old. No timesinks= easier to leave the game. Actually, it was quite easy to leave EQ once I realized the timesinks were the problem. I loved playing the game with my friends, but as more and more of them devoted more time to raiding and uber-goobering, I lost the reason I liked playing EQ. My rogue hit a brick wall and since then, hasn't been able to improve at all because the game requires too much time.

In CoH, I've been having a blast each and every day I play. The lack of timesinks makes it easier to play and continue to play alongside other games. If EQ was as timesink free as CoH, I'd be playing both.

4.COH had a great launch best to my memory. But its definately not a came with substance. it will be yesterdays flavor once another game comes out that takes there style of game play into effect. Which we know this is industry is full of Copy Cats. Mosty likely it will be some type of Star Wars game. It's quite obvious to me you're very ignorant about the depth and substance of City of Heroes and the plans Jack Emmert has for the game. It will be around and it will continue to grow. I wasn't around for the EQ launch... back then I was still using a Pentium 75 with 8 megs of ram, but EQ didn't launch with all kinds of content either. It grew as the game grew. Same thing with CoH. As I said before, CoH was live for only a month when they were already planning on putting out a free update to the game.

5. Yes I realize this is no longer an EQ exclusive message Board, But please move your pretty little eyes to the top of the screen and you will see that this is an EQ Thread. How dumb can you be to say this is not an eq exclusive message board and still be posting on EQ boards. Well, when people ask about EQ, I'm going to inform them of my opinion and offer alternative games that may suit their playstyle better.

6.Yes I realize you have made many good friends here on these boards and would like to mantain relationships with it but there is a section on these boards to post non EQ related material. SO you can take it there. Why? People talk about EQ even after they've left the game. You've no right to tell me I can't talk about it. I told Lazy8s that EQ is no longer fun. The timesinks and raider mentality of the devs turned the game into a chore. I suggested CoH as an alternative. Seems pretty on topic to me.

[quote[7. So as u can see all your excuses that you used to try to reason why you still post here are ridiculous and by continuing to post here you will prove your an ignorant looser, who in life likes to complain just to get some attention.[/quote] *laughs* Sure. Believe that if you want. At least Autumn was a more eloquent foil.

Macwood
07-09-2004, 01:22 PM
Lazy8s, I'm sorta on the same boat as you. I started a new character on Rodcet after I found out some RL friends of mine play on that server, and I'm actually enjoying the game again :) It's the community aspect that renewed my interest, now that I'm around people that actually WANT to group and aren't afraid to give up their HoH camp to log on a lower level char and crawl through Blackburrow or ToFS. Not to mention they tolerate my jokes too ;)

So basically I found something that was missing before, and it made the game fun for me again. The game has some serious faults and balancing issues, especially in the higher levels, but if you can log on and have a good time then the game has served its purpose. If not, there's plenty of alternatives like CoH, which is an excellent game.

Aly
07-09-2004, 01:34 PM
Since EQ is based on the enjoyment of what takes time and effort to attain, it's easy to see why you retired, and why EQ can never be what you want it to be.

The timesinks were never meant to increase enjoyment of the game. They have always been an artificial means to limit player advancement. That is bad for a game in today's market. If you continue to create those kinds of artificial limits, it will drive people away from the game.

EQ should change or else the playerbase will continue to shrink month by month until servers start merging. As more and more games come out, many gamers are looking for something new. If EQ didn't have the timesinks... many of those people might be more inclined to pay for two games, since no timesinks would give them the freedom to play both games how they wish to. I would be one of those people.

You can still enjoy the road; you can still have a blast every time you log in.

Yeah, whatever. Here's a typical night of EQ before I retired...

0 minutes: Log in
5 minutes: Game finally loads and I get into PoK/PoTranq. Set myself as LFG for LDoN or Planar XP.
6 - 10 minutes: Grab supplies (food/water/bandages/throwing stars)
11 - 20 minutes: Check friends list and chat with people. Listen to druid/rogue channels.
21 - 30 minutes: Wander around some lowbie zones backstabbing green cons to assassinate them while still LFG.
31+ minutes: Log off because I only have an hour or so to play and by this time, it's pointless to remain logged on.

That's what needs to be fixed about EQ. It's nigh impossible to just log on and be ready to go in five minutes. In CoH, I can log on and go solo my missions if no groups are available. Usually though I can get a group in CoH within 5 minutes. Or I can have a group started and ready to go within 5 minutes.

To enjoy EQ for longer, you gotta like building your toon up slowly.

There's a difference between slowly and like molasses or not at all. At the end game of EQ, if you can't spend at least four hours online, several nights a week, you may as well not play at all. That's what needs to change about EQ.

Lazy8s
07-09-2004, 01:58 PM
seeing as how I'm in college and my next year is going to be the year from hell as all but 1 class has a 25% pass rate (bad planning to get them all in 1 year but can't change it now) what I see happening for me is this: I start a toon on EQ, I play till the second week in August, I don't play anything again till December (probably Counter Strike since I have little faith in WoW or EQ2 actually being out by then) and then I play nothing again in the spring. Next summer I finally pick up a game but I realize that now I really need a job and focus on that instead. So seeing as how my gaming days are coming to a close for a good while I don't much think it matters as long as I can find a group every now and then....and maybe a chatboard with some friends that will welcome me back when I can come back...

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-09-2004, 02:19 PM
Ally,
Lets fix some errors here, lets see if we can make you understand[QUOTE]How can you say that Timesinks are were never meant to increase the enjoyment out of this game, Just cause you dont like timesinks doesnt mean its whats wrong with EQ, Since day 1 EQ has been centered around Timesinks, This could be why your not getting enjoyment, but it is what gives me enjoyment as many as others in the game.
And its not fair for you to say that obviously I dont know anything about COH, have you stopped to ask "HMM maybe he has been playing COH since Day1 also?" What I can tell you is I know alot about gaming and also know alot about MMORPG and the mentality of the Developers and Players alike, See there are many College and proffesional documentation done on the Genre and maybe you need to sit down and read a few before you make very dumn remarks like " COH will last as long as EQ has" and "Timesinks were never meant to increase enjoyment"

At no point did I ever try to Compare or suggest One game is better than the other I only stated facts that I knew,

And yes I have every right to tell you to shut up and stop whining, People like you have been detiriating these message boards, and I will continue to defend it.

At no point did I ever say One game is better than the other, they are two different type of games. Thats what I think you dont understand.

If you hate this game so badly dont post. Our friend here came looking for advice on what server to move to and you came here and added no value to the Conversation. You only came here to Make your smart remarks and try to attack EQ to see if maybe you can get some retribution back at the game. Face it your a very shrewd person, Maybe your having a great time in COH like I have, but Why dont you go to the COH message boards and posts there. Im sure there are lots of people there who can benefit from your knowledge. Look at your quote under your name,it says it all, you posts with your hands up and ready to throw every punch you can against this game
Chubbs

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-09-2004, 02:23 PM
BTW Callahad, Very nicely said. I wish I could write like you and express myself more professionally. I have very strong feelings for this game and am sick in tired of people ruining my experience.
EQ has lots of faults dont get me wrong but Dammit this is my game and I love it!!
WOOT DING 70(hehehe soon)
Chubbs

Aly
07-09-2004, 05:10 PM
If you hate this game so badly dont post

See, that's my point that you keep ignoring. Same as Autumn always did. I like EQ. I don't like the timesinks. When you cannot play a game for an hour and have fun, there's something wrong with the game. When you have to play at least four hours, several nights a week just to see some advancement, there's something terribly wrong with the game.

I have every right to post my opinion about EQ in a thread specifically asking about EQ and whether or not to come back. Until SOE changes the gameplay in EQ to be more accessible to time limited gamers, I will continue to post in threads like this one that EQ is a waste of time once you reach the end game. Especially if you don't have the time the game requires at that point. Personally, any game that requires that kind of time deovted to it becomes less of a game and more like a second job.

You only came here to Make your smart remarks and try to attack EQ to see if maybe you can get some retribution back at the game.

No, I came here to try and prevent someone from making a mistake by getting back into EQ. Unless you really enjoy playing low level alts over and over, you're not going to get much enjoyment out of the game once you get to about 50th level. After 50th, the game truly becomes a grind. I suggest you rethink your posts Chubbs. Some of them are borderline personal attacks. *coughs* I should know.

Callahad
07-09-2004, 05:19 PM
The timesinks were never meant to increase enjoyment of the game. They have always been an artificial means to limit player advancement. That is bad for a game in today's market.

Ah yes, NOW I get it! Developpers put them there to *lose* folks, so they would quit the game! /snicker. Seriously, have a little perspective. You have *zero* faith in the concept, that much is obvious. But you cannot deny that the concept had success (EQ was and is still VERY successfull, and incredibly people are still playing after 5 years), and thus it is valid.

Which would you prefer? Continue the concept that made you money, or undergo radical changes to the concept, spending a lot in the process, for uncertain results? If EQ went your way it would face *stiff* competition (all those MMORPG who already provide what you are describing, including their very own SWG, and the up-and-coming EQ2), would need a huge content overhaul, need an entirely new graphics engine, undergo a massive change of clientele, etc. This is not for the faint of heart, and it certainly goes beyond a few cosmetic changes.

Face it, what you want of EQ can never be, it should be obvious. Time to finally accept it and move on.

To the original poster, sorry for the thread derail :/ Again, whatever amount of time you are ready to put in EQ, it all depends on your frame of mind. If you like building up your toon, slowly, having to spend time to reach objectives, then EQ is for you, and for a long time. If all you want is to log in, kill some mobs, goof off, and that's it, then EQ will be enjoyable also... But you will likely want to move on sooner than later.

EQ is *full* of people who play non-hardcore. Whether it be 3 hours a night 3 days a week or 2 hours a night 4-5 days a week. Most of those who play though have that mindset I have described. Don't be fooled by those who describe the end-game without having experienced it, or who claim that the end-game is all that EQ is.

Callahad

Fenmarel the Banisher
07-09-2004, 05:39 PM
I started to play EQ 3+ years ago as a replacement for the PnP RPGs I was no longer playing because most of the friends I played with had moved away or were buisy doing other things. In the beginning of EQ although creativity was limited there was still a sense of a big world where you could go out and make your own story. As the years have progressed and new expansions were released EQ storyline has gotten progressively more linear. The choices for character progression have been limited to one playstyle. Access to new content has been limited to the few people with the time and fortitude to spend endless hours and nights on raids. The limits of choices in character models and gear have made every character look like mearly cookie cutter clones of each other. Rather then unique expressions of individual players creativity.

Contrast this with a game like City of Heroes. Which from the very beginning players are making their individual marks on their characters from power selection to costume creation. There are many and multiple story arcs for players to explore beyond the tedium of exp grinding. Multiple levels of game play are supported solo, group and, multi group. Through out it all characters grow in power and individuality at the descression of the players. City of Heroes has even brought back to my mind the freedom that I had do design and develope characters in PnP RPGs. To the point that I will be attending my local meeting of the Roleplaying Gamers Association tomorrow. For the first time in 2 years I will pick up my dice bag and play D+D. I cann't wait!

Aly
07-09-2004, 08:05 PM
Ah yes, NOW I get it! Developpers put them there to *lose* folks, so they would quit the game!
No, they put them there to artificially extend the life of the game, because at the time it was part of the "Vision". Brad wanted to make an online game that was like the old PnP style D&D campaigns. Ever since Luclin released, EQ has become a chore to play if you want to progress anywhere with your main character. My rogue has the best gear she can get without me spending far too much time online for minor upgrades here and there. It's just not worth it. And I have to have those upgrades to fully explore the storyline of each expansion.

It's not fair to people like me that want to participate in the storyline, but it's being reserved for the uber goobers with more time on their hands than they know what to do with. That's why I make posts like this. To warn people thinking about coming back to EQ or planning on trying out EQ. To let them know what they're getting into.

If EQ went your way it would face *stiff* competition (all those MMORPG who already provide what you are describing, including their very own SWG, and the up-and-coming EQ2), would need a huge content overhaul, need an entirely new graphics engine, undergo a massive change of clientele, etc. This is not for the faint of heart, and it certainly goes beyond a few cosmetic changes.
Hogswash. Much of what I would change to make EQ fun again wouldn't require a new graphics engine. Besides, they're already working on that. The clientele needed change either. In fact, it would allow many people that have quit EQ, to return to the game and have fun again.

Don't be fooled by those who describe the end-game without having experienced it, or who claim that the end-game is all that EQ is.
:bs:
The end game is EQ now. Luclin, PoP, and God have reinforced that very strongly. If you can't put in the time required, you're wasting your money. You will never see the storyline events firsthand. You will never get to see several areas of the game, except through screenshots. I don't know about you, but I don't pay money to look at screenshots. I pay money to play a game and I expect to be able to play the whole game in a reasonable amount of time.

EQ does not allow for that and that is flawed. People need to know that about the end game / storyline of EQ before they go back or play for the first time.

BuzWeaver
07-10-2004, 06:48 PM
I've not played in two months now, still no desire to come back. EQII is getting closer but I'm playing other games and enjoying something different. I do miss the people in the forums and in the game. Most of my RL friends still play and I watch them, that seems to be enough for me.

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-12-2004, 08:52 AM
And there is nothing wrong witht htat Buzweaver, this game is not for everyone. My major beef with Ally is that shes not getting the point. This game is not for her, we understand that Much already. But that doesnt mean its not for everyone else. And shes not just coming here to view her opinions. shes coming here to let out her frustration for playing a game so long and taking her so long to realize she didnt like the game. This is tarnishing our boards, You see I have not been posting here in along time but I have been reading these boards for a couple of years. And the way Ally and a "FEW" like her are destroying these boards is getting ridiculous so I decided to start posting and start pointing my views.

Aly
07-12-2004, 09:46 AM
This game is not for her ... And shes not just coming here to view her opinions. shes coming here to let out her frustration for playing a game so long and taking her so long to realize she didnt like the game.

Yeah whatever Chubbs. I bitch about what EQ is today because it was not that game four years ago when I started playing. Four years ago I could do pretty much whatever I wanted in a reasonble amount of time. Four years ago I was having fun playing, even when I could only log on for an hour or so. It was a fun game back then. Now with all the craptastic timesinks that take ages to do and the extremely long periods of being LFG all the time... there was no point in playing anymore.

The game went from being a game anyone could play and have fun playing no matter what their playstyle to a game where you either really enjoy running in place all the time or you raid hardcore, spending insane amounts of time on stupid timesinks that just don't make sense in a role-playing game.

That's why I quit playing EQ. The game just wasn't the same game I started playing. The devs changed the way the game was played and made it worse. More timesinks, more grinding, more treadmill crap... it was ridiculous. They kept moving the storyline of the game out of the reach of the casual and time-limited gamers. That's why I played. I liked the story of the game and truly enjoyed roleplaying my character. It's not very much fun to RP a rogue in EQ these days. How do you explain sitting in BoT killing giants over and over every day as an RP situation? I started out playing EQ and writing stories about what my rogue did. The encounters she had. The people she met. But when the game became a grind and I wasn't able to participate in the major storyline events of each expansion, I lost the motivation I had to write those stories.

I just want EQ to be brought back to the way it used to be with everything accessible to everyone, regardless of how long you can play each session and less zones. The fewer zones the better. I want more detailed content in fewer zones. A massive sprawling world is nothing if you don't have enough stuff to fill it up with.

By the way, the least you could do is spell my name right. One L. Just one. I am most definately not your ally.

Fenlayen
07-12-2004, 10:02 AM
I just want EQ to be brought back to the way it used to be with everything accessible to everyone, regardless of how long you can play each session and less zones. The fewer zones the better. I want more detailed content in fewer zones. A massive sprawling world is nothing if you don't have enough stuff to fill it up with.

Sorry maybe I missed something but that reads like you only liked prekunark content. Because every other expansion has had keyed/flagged zones that needed questing/raiding to get into.

This isn't meant at as flame just interested if you think the orginal game was the best.

Panamah
07-12-2004, 10:07 AM
that's exactly the problem I have in any MMORPG I play. I really CAN'T play more than a couple hours so even if I did get a group for high-end stuff after a couple hours I would have to log no matter what was going on, I mean RL is still more important and I think that could tick some ppl off really quickly.

Well, EQ isn't a friendly game for folks that want to play short periods and log off. Especially at high levels. I'd suggest something like City of Heroes. There's only one game, no expansions, so it'll be easy to start. Only been out a few months so there's tons of people to play with at lower levels.

However, if you don't mind staying low level for a very, very long time, spending massive amounts of time on newbie quests and such, then you might enjoy playing EQ again. After playing level 65 characters for awhile, I even found it was fun to be an EQ newbie again... for a brief while.

Callahad
07-12-2004, 10:33 AM
Testament of Vanear. Paw of Oppolla. Epic (and we have it easy, some others are *horrible* timesinks). 7th shawl. 10th ring. VP. Howling Stones. Sebilis. ST. Jboots. Golden Efreeti Boots. A number of armor set quests. And I pass a great many long-camp items, endless faction-fixing, tradeskill-farming, hours of going from zone to zone shouting "LFG!! LFG! Orc1 taken?"

Face it. "Timesinks" have always been part of EQ, *From the start*. Heck, some of the first quests have been said to be unsolved yet, they are so absurdly long to complete. Someone who says timesinks were not part of early EQ is putting rosy glasses on when looking at the past.

It's like when my parents say the weather was so much harsher in their days :dance:

Callahad

LauranCoromell
07-12-2004, 11:17 AM
It seems from reading your posts that you are actually wanting to play EQ again and enjoy that genre most of all. For the short time you have to play before classes start, I'd say go for it :). If you are looking for that old feeling in EQ the lower levels will still give you that and in fact have new quest that we didn't have way back to give you some goals to reach for if you enjoy questing.

Before I left I was power leveling a friends new character and it was fun visiting the old zones, CB, BB, Unrest (love unrest). Yes, I know there are places to move along faster but for some of us the old zones just hold more magic :). The frustration comes in the later levels for people who really don't have the time to invest several hours a night, or just don't enjoy being in a big guild.

Still for something to take up a couple of hours of your time each day before you start classes and then a bit more during holidays and such, just pick the one that appeals the most and go have some fun :).

Aly
07-12-2004, 11:50 AM
Because every other expansion has had keyed/flagged zones that needed questing/raiding to get into.

Kunark keyed zones weren't that bad. Sebilis was real easy. People doing the rare cycle called out rotting amulets all the time. The Shawl and Ring quests were fun. Progressive rewards with a good storyline and I never really had any problems getting the drops. Just that one 24 hours spawn dwarf was a pain in the ass.

Testament, Paw, those were optional. They weren't required to have fun. Same as Jboots and a bunch of the other timesink quests. They weren't required to have fun. Tradeskills were something you had to enjoy to want to do them. I've never done a tradeskill past the 26 in Tailoring that patchwork will get you to and 100 or so in blacksmithing. They just weren't important to me. They weren't a required part of the game pretty much. And if you sat around waiting for Orc1 in EC to open up to for xp'ing... you're more braindead then the aa grinders in BoT.

There were plenty of other places to go other than sit in EC grinding XP at an orc tent that keeps respawning. Dungeons to crawl... *shakes head* Static camps are boring.

Someone who says timesinks were not part of early EQ is putting rosy glasses on when looking at the past.

Required timesinks. I didn't have to do those quests and tradeskill farming and what not to have fun with the game. The Luclin/PoP/GoD timesinks are required if you want to be part of the storyline and be able to advance your character past the lvl 65/aa grind, bazaar bought gear stage. The gear disparity now is so vast it's disgusting. Back then it wasn't such a big deal.

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-12-2004, 12:36 PM
:crazeye: :tut: tssk, tssk, tssk. I dont think she gets it still! "ALY". We dont really care about your opinions or trying to change them either. We just dont want to hear any more whining or bitching. Especially coming from someone who doesnt even play anymore. Come on, Dont you understand that you are doing nothing to help on these boards. You said somwhere a couple of threads back, that you were trying to get her not to play EQ and not make the same mistake you did. WHY? Who are you to try to tarnish the experience of anyone? When it comes to any post on the Topic of EQ, You do not belong anymore. If you want to talk to your friends on the Non EQ Message Boards, Great!! Do that just leave these boards alone Please...

PS. your still my ally and if u ever decide to play EQ again, Which I bet you will, I will help you with whatever you need on the Rodcet Nife Server

Chubbs

Aly
07-12-2004, 12:57 PM
You said somwhere a couple of threads back, that you were trying to get her not to play EQ and not make the same mistake you did. WHY?
I have every right to post my opinion about EQ when someone wants to possibly come back or start the game. They must know what they are facing before they even think about it. If I'd known EQ was going to turn out like is has, I never would've played to begin with.

When it comes to any post on the Topic of EQ, You do not belong anymore.
Yeah whatever. :thumbs2: Do you ask someone that's never worked on an autombile how to fix your car when something goes wrong? Somehow I doubt that. If you want an informed opinion about something, you go to someone who has experience. I played EQ for four years in a variety of roles. I've played every class to at least level 25-30, several of them to at least 50 and one to 65. I've been a casual raider and a hardcore raider (for a short time before I got upset with the guild leader) and then I went back to just playing when I had the time, because the only thing I had keeping me around in game was my friends.

So yeah, I do belong here. My opinion on EQ is just as valid as yours. So I kindly suggest you stow the gab and be quiet. 8p

Callahad
07-12-2004, 01:20 PM
The Shawl and Ring quests were fun.

Tradeskills were something you had to enjoy to want to do them. I've never done a tradeskill past the 26 in Tailoring that patchwork will get you to and 100 or so in blacksmithing. They just weren't important to me. They weren't a required part of the game pretty much.

Anyone else finds this TOTALLY contradictory? How in the hell can you do those quests without doing tradeskills? Aly... are you *sure* you did these quests?

And if you sat around waiting for Orc1 in EC to open up to for xp'ing... you're more braindead then the aa grinders in BoT. There were plenty of other places to go other than sit in EC grinding XP at an orc tent that keeps respawning. Dungeons to crawl...

The peeps going there were even harder to find. Geez, you'd think someone would be able to tell that I used an example to make a point, and not take it so literally...

Required timesinks. I didn't have to do those quests and tradeskill farming and what not to have fun with the game.

Still don't need to do any of that stuff. Don't wanna do the VT quest? Then don't do it. Don't wanna do GoD trials? (which by the way are dungeon crawls, are fun and hard, and -yes- are doable by casuals). Then don't do em. No one is forcing you. Still can have plenty of fun without. Have your fun, and let others have theirs.

The Luclin/PoP/GoD timesinks are required if you want to be part of the storyline and be able to advance your character past the lvl 65/aa grind

/shocker. What can you do that's interesting once you have been there done that? Come on Aly, I'll go slowly, work with me. You have soloed, grouped, tradeskilled all around EQ, what can still be fun?.... /light bulb! Content just for you! Ain't that grand? What a neat idea, to have a game that provides you with fun content - on the same character! - for years and years!!

Had your fill of soloing, tradeskilling, grouping in EQ? Would rather enjoy a new game than try out that new content for your type? No one is putting a gun to your head, you can just move on to that other game...

Callahad

Aly
07-12-2004, 01:43 PM
Anyone else finds this TOTALLY contradictory? How in the hell can you do those quests without doing tradeskills? Aly... are you *sure* you did these quests?
I got up to Ring 9 with some help from good friends who did the tradeskill parts for me. I never did the Shawl, but I helped some people with the quest at various points and those were fun. You don't have to do the quest yourself to be a part of it.

The peeps going there were even harder to find. Geez, you'd think someone would be able to tell that I used an example to make a point, and not take it so literally...
I never had a problem finding friends to go dungeon crawling with me at those levels. I never had a problem grabbing random people and dragging them into dungeons. All it took was an hour or so for them to realize crawling a dungeon was a lot better than camping one spot. Course this was pre-level 40 at the time.

Still don't need to do any of that stuff. Don't wanna do the VT quest? Then don't do it. Don't wanna do GoD trials? (which by the way are dungeon crawls, are fun and hard, and -yes- are doable by casuals). Then don't do em. No one is forcing you. Still can have plenty of fun without. Have your fun, and let others have theirs.
A guild has to get the VT gear so they have the power to push through many of the later PoP encounters. Unless you expect the guild to fund everyone with enough plat to buy a set of ornate. Getting a group of casuals to take a six hour expedition in GoD is as hard as extracting wisdom teeth. Especially against the mobs in GoD. If it wasn't for escape and SoS... my rogue would've been dead so many times while exploring the zones open to me in GoD.

And the rest of your blabbering is just meaningless stupidity falling from your fingertips onto the keyboard. All I want is the ability to play the game at my own pace and take part in the storyline without being forced into insanely long timesinks. I wouldn't complain about anything else about EQ if those things were fixed. I'd even suggest EQ as a good place to start if you enjoy the fantasy genre. As it stands right now... EQ is a bloated piece of crap that just isn't worth playing for the story anymore because of the insane amount of time required to participate and see that storyline firsthand.

Because I refuse to spend my time raiding every day or even just half the week, I will never get to experience the Plane of Time scripted events and feel like I'm a part of the story. That's the reason I play RPG's. I want to be a part of the story. I used to be able to do that in EQ. I can't now. And that's wrong. I should be able to, regardless if I play one or two hours a night, every now and then, or six+ hours, several days a week.

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-12-2004, 01:50 PM
[/Quote] Yeah whatever. :thumbs2: Do you ask someone that's never worked on an autombile how to fix your car when something goes wrong? Somehow I doubt that. If you want an informed opinion about something, you go to someone who has experience. I played EQ for four years in a variety of roles. I've played every class to at least level 25-30, several of them to at least 50 and one to 65. I've been a casual raider and a hardcore raider (for a short time before I got upset with the guild leader) and then I went back to just playing when I had the time, because the only thing I had keeping me around in game was my friends.

So yeah, I do belong here. My opinion on EQ is just as valid as yours. So I kindly suggest you stow the gab and be quiet. 8p[/QUOTE]

Sory Aly this game is just like Technology It keeps moving forward and changing. Would you ask a former Computer Technician who's last area of experience was Computers of 6 years ago? No you wouldnt why cause they have not kept up with the times and do now know all the new little details needed to accomplish the Task. You see The game has kept changing and evolving since you left so any material you could add to a conversation would be outdated. And if your true concern is helping someone out then giving them outdated information would be the worst thing you could do for them.
Chubbs

Teaenea
07-12-2004, 01:55 PM
Kunark actually started the real time sinks with the VP key.

But, what Time sinks in GoD. There are no required traditional time sinks. Meaning, Sitting farming green stuff for hours waiting for the random number generator to work in your favor. There is nothing random about GoD progression at all and you can get quite far into progression with a single group.

GoD Trials are actually fun, and unlike PoP trials, there is no waiting in line for them. You can use them for progression (some can take a couple hours+) EXP, and or loot. They aren't just sitting around killing the same mob over and over and there is absolultely no farming of green mobs.

LDoN runs are definately not time sinks. You can finish one in less than an hour. They offer a fun dungeon crawl experience without finding the perfect group. They are pretty flexible.

It's pretty easy to point to all the time sinks in EQ like planar progression, Key Quests, etc, but don't lose sight of the astounding number of things to do at all levels OTHER than that. The volume of content in EQ is so large, you can keep yourself amused for a very long time without ever even considering the "time sink" stuff.

Callahad
07-12-2004, 02:15 PM
I never had a problem finding friends to go dungeon crawling with me at those levels. I never had a problem grabbing random people and dragging them into dungeons. All it took was an hour or so for them to realize crawling a dungeon was a lot better than camping one spot. Course this was pre-level 40 at the time.

Yeah, whatever /puts rosy glasses on.

Unless you expect the guild to fund everyone with enough plat to buy a set of ornate.

You mean, you can't farm that stuff in BoT? Group and Raid-wise? Some even solo them...

Getting a group of casuals to take a six hour expedition in GoD

wtf are you talking about?

And the rest of your blabbering is just meaningless stupidity falling from your fingertips onto the keyboard.

So.... where is the ban? Aidon, you wanted an example of being insulting? Here it is...

Ohhh Aly aly aly... tsk tsk tsk. I stand speechless in the face of your reasoning power /snicker.

I want to be a part of the story. I used to be able to do that in EQ. I can't now.

You can. But you won't. That's a big difference.

Callahad

Aly
07-12-2004, 02:29 PM
You mean, you can't farm that stuff in BoT?

Lessee here... level 65 rogue. Yeah, I'm gonna solo those bosses in the towers. :bs:

You can. But you won't. That's a big difference.

:bs:

You cannot play an hour or two here and there and be able to participate in the storyline. It is utterly impossible.

Callahad
07-12-2004, 02:44 PM
You mean, you can't farm that stuff in BoT? Group and Raid-wise?

Lessee here... level 65 rogue. Yeah, I'm gonna solo those bosses in the towers

Reading troubles, Aly?

Btw, bosses in Towers are not the only droppers. They drop off 1-group (and less) mini nameds on 8-hour timer. Basically you can pop in once in a while, hunt there, and have a reasonable chance to see a mini pop (there are 4 minis, too). Plus, there are random nameds, can't remember if those drop ornate though. PLUS, they drop off random nameds in Potactics, a zone you can get access to through a quest that is easily 1-groupable, and quick.


Callahad

Aly
07-12-2004, 03:08 PM
Yeah, I saw four pieces of ornate drop in the entire time I did aaxp in BoT. That was during a period of four months or so. Only one was a chain drop. Gloves. And those got ninja-looted by some pl'd froggie shaman. It would take freaking forever to equip an entire guild in ornate. Especially since the content isn't instanced and you have compete with the uber goober 'chanters farming the crap solo.

Some even solo them...
Nice of you to forget to quote that part of your own damn post.

... *sighs*

Why the hell are you so freakin' against people being able to play a game the way the want to play the damn game? Why are you so god damned selfish that you have to have your exclusive hardcore raider only content... which is where the storyline plays out? Are you paying more per month than I was? I really doubt that, unless you're on Legends. So why do you derserve exclusive content, over people that priortize their lives around something other than EQ? Sitting around in front of a computer for four+ hours in a row doesn't seem like that's enough to warrant giving uber goobers pretty much exclusive content.

I solo'd a task force in CoH. It took me about six to eight hours, but guess what... I could do it in small hour long chunks. Nothing is stopping people from doing it all at one time however. So, why is it such a big deal to add that kind of feature to EQ? Maybe because the uppity uber goober snobs wouldn't have their exclusive content anymore and their e-wangs would shrivel up and shrink to nothing.

The difficulty of the content should be the only thing that seperates people. Not how many hours in a row you can sit at the computer. I'd much rather die eight, ten, twenty times attempting a difficult encounter than sit around waiting 8 hours for some rare spawn mob to appear.

Callahad
07-12-2004, 03:48 PM
Nice of you to forget to quote that part of your own damn post.


I put that in there to show how *easy* it is to get ornate armor for casual players. Somehow, you missed that meaning, I don't know how...

Why the hell are you so freakin' against people being able to play a game the way the want to play the damn game?

Am NOT. Play the way you wanna play. There is ample room in EQ for that. Why is it so hard for you to do that? Why are you so obsessed with the few zones reserved for other play styles? Why even *care* at this point?

Why are you so god damned selfish that you have to have your exclusive hardcore raider only content... which is where the storyline plays out?

Because without that kinda content, EQ is dead, to me and *many* others. Remove this kind of content, and you remove any fun to play the game for a good chunk of the EQ population, and many of them have been playing for a *long* time. It's plain as day!!

Why can't you just accept that there is room for this play style in EQ? that both co-exist and that's fine? That the fact it's there doesn't mean that it *has* to be eradicated?

So why do you derserve exclusive content, over people that priortize their lives around something other than EQ?

First of all, I dont. Second of all, why do others get paid more than me? Why is my neighbor a better rollerskater than me? Stop being jealous and get over it. That's life.

I solo'd a task force in CoH. It took me about six to eight hours

See!! I knew you could do it! Did you schedule your life around CoH??

Maybe because the uppity uber goober snobs wouldn't have their exclusive content anymore and their e-wangs would shrivel up and shrink to nothing.

*Again* insults!! /gasp, I am shocked! Aidon, here is another example for you!

I'd much rather die eight, ten, twenty times attempting a difficult encounter than sit around waiting 8 hours for some rare spawn mob to appear.

Funny I did just that yesterday, in /GASP EQ.

Callahad

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-12-2004, 03:56 PM
To funny Callahad she is trying to get an Raider vs. Casual gamer going. And the worse part is Aly has contradicted herself several times. What I cant understand is why someome would insist on talking on a subject they dispise, Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
Chubbs

Aly
07-12-2004, 04:07 PM
I put that in there to show how *easy* it is to get ornate armor for casual players. Somehow, you missed that meaning, I don't know how... Then why don't I have a full set, huh? I spent a ton of time grinding crappy AAxp out in BoT groups when I had the time. We killed the named whenver they would spawn. ANd nine times out of ten, it was the crap loot that sold in the bazaar for 100pp. Big frickin' deal.

Am NOT. Play the way you wanna play. There is ample room in EQ for that. Why is it so hard for you to do that? Why are you so obsessed with the few zones reserved for other play styles? Why even *care* at this point? Because most of the power gaming greedy people that raid hardcore don't even give a damn about the storyline. That's why I want access to zones like PoTime and Vex Thal. It's where the good lore and storyline events are. The typical hardcore raider doesn't deserve to have that kind of exclusive access to the central theme of the game. The storyline stuff should be made available to everyone. In the game. Not second hand through some uber goober guilds website.

Because without that kinda content, EQ is dead, to me and *many* others. Remove this kind of content, and you remove any fun to play the game for a good chunk of the EQ population, and many of them have been playing for a *long* time. It's plain as day!! ... I'm flabber gasted. Timesinks DO NOT EQUAL CONTENT. Got that? I want challenging encounters that test my ability to play the game. I want challenging encounters that make me rip my hair out in frustration. I don't want long, boring encounters where I have to sit in one spot farming the same placeholder over and over just to get a glimmer of a chance to see the rare drop from the rare spawn. I don't want to wait eight hours for some named to spawn only to have it ganked from my group while we're fighting something else nearby.

If SOE were to take the progression quests for Luclinb/PoP/God and break them down to 1 or 2 hour chunks you can do at your own leisure... there is NOTHING stopping the uber goobers from doing six or seven of those chunks all at once. What it would do... is allow people like me the ability to do each chunk when they want to. Instanced content for each chunk would get rid of the cockblocking and kill stealing that goes on, making the game fun to play again, for not just the hardcore raiders.

Why can't you just accept that there is room for this play style in EQ? Because it's not fair. There is not one bit of content that says, "Hey, you play more than four hours at a time. You can't do this."

See!! I knew you could do it! Did you schedule your life around CoH??
Why not quote the rest of what I said... instead of taking things out of context. I did that Task Force in 1 and 2 hour chunks over the course of a week. So get your facts straight next time. So there was zero need to schedule an entire day just to play CoH. You cannot progress through Luclin/PoP/God in 1 or 2 hour chunks. I am saying you should be able to. With instanced raid/progression content, I can schedule a day in advance with a guild to raid a specific target... instead of just hoping that all the planets align in our star system and the tarot reader says the cards are favorable. (Read that as: having enough people of the right classes online at the right time with the right mob up without someone else racing to engange it).

You are so completely missing the point Callahad. Nothing I would change would effect the uber goobers in any negative way. If you're upset that you can't have your exclusive content anymore. Big frickin' deal. You don't deserve it anyway. If you're upset you can't cockblock some other guild from beating the Emp? Big frickin' deal. That's a huge positive outcome in my book.

Aly
07-12-2004, 04:13 PM
Y'know, screw this. Both you and Chubbs are welcome to join my ignore list. You can slum around with Autumn10 there. I've made my point and you refuse to see it. I'm done.

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-12-2004, 04:36 PM
LOL, Thank God this is over!! BTW Lazy how is it going, did u finally change servers or stay in the same one? You need anything plz let me know.
65th druid on Rodcet Nife
Chubbs

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-12-2004, 04:37 PM
BTW I bet she wont ignore us, Just like she cant stay away from EQ or the boards, she will be too curious to see what we posts. Curiosity is a killer!!

Aly
07-12-2004, 04:56 PM
http://www.exileink.com/coh/ignored.jpg

Need anymore proof? :twak:

Scirocco
07-12-2004, 05:00 PM
This thread has become Unkempt....

Aly
07-12-2004, 05:07 PM
Sorry sir... I apologize. Calla and Chubbs pushed that one button. It's taken care of now. :brickwall:

Callahad
07-12-2004, 05:56 PM
Hey Aly :) Maybe you see this maybe you dont ...

Might wanna consider that trolling a board of a game you dont play and *demanding* for the game to *drastically* change to accomodate *you*, all the while insulting a good chunk of the player base, would not be well received. Seems to me you came here to stir it up. Well you got what you asked for. What's ironic is I simply used logic, never once insulting you, and you couldn't even handle it.

Well, you were entertaining for a while, but... Bye! Have fun in CoH! Don't let the EQ bug bite!

To Lazy8s, I am sorry your thread has come to this :/ I hope whatever you decide, you make a good decision for you, and have fun, whether it is EQ, CoH, or another game. If it is EQ, you can ask me questions, will try my best to answer.

Callahad

LauranCoromell
07-12-2004, 06:27 PM
Lazy8s, it's also possible to go over to the test server and try out both the druid and the necro at level 20, if you still haven't decided which character you might like more. I think someone mentioned a lizzy monk as well. Anyway, since you are time challenged it might help you to play a little on each and see which one you enjoy the most. You can just make them level 20 and receive some gear that is ok for that level along with all the spells and all that you would have at that level. If memory serves it's /test buff me. Honestly, it's been quite a time since I've used it, there may not be spaces in there :).

If someone has already suggested this to you in the thread, I'm sorry for the double suggestion.

Tiane
07-12-2004, 06:46 PM
Enough Callahad and Chubb and Aly and others. Take it to pm's or ingore lists, but no more personal attacks. This is not a forum for bashing and mocking people. Period.

Chubbexul Demonsbane
07-13-2004, 09:11 AM
Sorry Tiane,
Not intended to bash anyone, but the insanity needs to stop!!
Chubbs

BuzWeaver
07-17-2004, 08:37 AM
I"ve just come back after a two month break. There are a few interesting changes, not sure how long I'll stay though.