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Iisbliss
08-13-2004, 05:08 AM
Greetings friend,

Your last name angellove was found to be in violation of our naming
policy. Because of this violation your last name was removed. Please
file a petition in order to receive a new last name.


Five years ago, in Sept of 1999, I did a /petition to get that surname, for a cleric, and was granted it.

Two days ago, with no complaint from anyone, it was removed in a "routine" review of log files.

Scirocco
08-13-2004, 09:36 AM
What was your cleric's first name?

Iisbliss
08-13-2004, 02:11 PM
Zeldana

but angel is now listed in the name policy as a violation, and there is no more grandfather clauses for names from before the policy was changed

but, I just did a brief glance through some /who and found at least 6 other angel names.

Meanwhile, my guild dies from frustration over the GoD bugs, Zum Muram has been ninja changed and bugged again, I cant get the X off a server transfer character in two years of petitioning, they cant transfer loot anymore that was accidently looted, yet they have time to do "routine log reviews" and whack characters names that are five years old and never had anyone complain about.

Well I got it finally, I didnt believe it before, but SOE has no sense at all of customer service, they are more into control and cash than fun and gaming.

Iisbliss
08-13-2004, 02:14 PM
oh yeah, Zeldana has been for the last six months a res bot, that gets logged in about 15 min once every two weeks or so, before this email she had been logged in for 22 min on 7/28 to res some people in POM, so how the hell she showed up on "logs" is beyond me.

and if they did a search for all names with Angel, why are there still at least 6 other people on my server with angel in their name?

bah this is bull**** of the highest order.

Panamah
08-13-2004, 03:02 PM
They need a stint on CoH where they can run into players named "The Vibrator".
:p

Tiane
08-13-2004, 03:41 PM
God, that's just rediculous. I know a number of people with Angel in their names... and why on earth (or in heaven!) would Angel be a no-no word?!

Just pathetic. Especially considering some of the seriously asstasstic names out there, to come down on a perfectly acceptable fantasy style name is ludicrous in the extreme.

Arienne
08-13-2004, 03:47 PM
Yikes! I know some Angel's in real life! Hope they don't get banned from life! :eek:

Lotharun
08-13-2004, 05:40 PM
I know someone who still has a mule named asswiper. Childish, I know but I always laughed when I got tells from that mule.

Swiftfox
08-13-2004, 06:57 PM
I have a BST named Hardxon .. Tried to prance around a Guide the other day to see how long it would take him to notice... so far so good ;)

Iisbliss
08-16-2004, 05:58 AM
Instead of quitting, I have decided to persue getting the word "angel" removed from the no no list.

I started a thread on SOE's own cleric boards, after finding a TON of clerics with "angel" in their name. Someone else posted there are at least six guilds with "angel" in their name.

Hopefully, common sense shall prevail.

Arienne
08-16-2004, 08:48 AM
Hopefully, common sense shall prevail.Yeah! It always does with SOE. :grin:

Good luck!

Kellory
08-16-2004, 01:14 PM
From SoE's naming policy

3. Names of religious, occult, or significant historic origin (e.g. Jesus, Allah, Satan, Stalin, Angel, Devil, Demon).

Now according to my old Guide book, Angel was not listed as of the begining of 2003 or so. However, the names listed are merely examples. Hence the e.g. part. E.G. is latin for Exempli Gratia. That is, a free example. The list is not, and was never meant to be all inclusive. I would assume Wicca would also be a bannable name. As would Belzebub even though those names are not listed.

In general there has never been a grandfather clause on names. There has been a tradition that if a character manages to survive till level 51 with a surname that is not a catagory 1 or 2 offense, then they'll be allowed to keep it. But that's never been a hard and fast rule. It depends on the GM or sometimes Senior Guide who gets to make the call.

With the ability to change names at will, either first by paying, or surnames with the new commands, I would assume that SoE no longer considers player reputation to be that big of a deal, so they've probably gotten a lot more harsh on removing naming violations.

Also, I would assume that regardless of what their CS might have said, that it was probably not the result of a log search or a database match, but the result of a petition or a random guide/GM seeing you. Had it been a database mining investigation, then all angels should have been removed. The fact that this is obviously not the case would infer that you were picked specifically.

In any event, I dont think you have any real chance at getting Angel in any form back. While you have my sympathies, your name was in fact in violation of the naming policy. At this point, about all you can do is put everyone else with the name angel through the same kind of annoyance that you yourself are now going through. SoE will not give you back Angel, but you can force them to go off and remove angel from everyone else. Like any nerf really.

But is that really what you want? While its obvious your gaming experience has been ruined to an extent by this, is that a reason ot ruin others? Personally I think its SoE's job to do that. But, thats your decision.

Also, as for guilds, they have always had different naming guidelines to a certain extent. An example would be a guild named Qeynos Guardians. No player could ever get that name because it uses an EQ name. But a guild certainly could. Guild names are more descriptors than names and have had much broader guidelines.

Swiftfox
08-16-2004, 06:09 PM
just /surname the same name.. more than likely it will go thru.

Panamah
08-16-2004, 06:35 PM
It's a shame though. Good fantasy names often have references to real life mythology or history. I bet you could refer to Cerebus (many headed dog guarding the entrance to the Ancient Greek underworld) without any issues.

harvey the dog
08-16-2004, 09:17 PM
i had a troll warrior named Dingle Berry that got his surname ganked...after 4+ years. but to be honest, his original name was Kakapoop and that got busted to Dingle back about a month after EQ went live...the GM kinda laughed when he asked me what I wanted my new name to be and told him Dingle, and he says, "i better not have to announce Dingle Berry got his surname on /server chat."

rofl

Netura
08-17-2004, 12:15 AM
Wow, my chars names haven't been nerfed... 'Rhib Decondm' and 'Wackumz Mehoff'. And I have had lengthy discussions with some gm's/guides and done a few GM events where they have most definately seen (and commented) on the names!

Iisbliss
08-17-2004, 07:46 AM
They are currently reviewing the policy and will be making changes to it.

I did get the name restored, and another name fixed on my account.

I must say, it took less than a week, so maybe SOE's customer service is improving !

Scirocco
08-17-2004, 09:00 AM
You're welcome. :)

Lotharun
08-17-2004, 04:19 PM
You're welcome?? Sobe pull some strings?

Zathiel
08-17-2004, 04:42 PM
Wow , i must say congrats and how lame it would be for them to remove "angel" in a name

My char (and handle) as you may notice isa an angelic name , then again
proboaby a obscure enough referance,tho i have seen many "religious" names
floating arround, heck my sirname on my paly hasnt been ganked yet and its soulfire hehe

well congrats on restoring the name!

Arienne
08-17-2004, 05:31 PM
You're welcome?? Sobe pull some strings?*laughs* My guess is that Scirocco made SOE see the light. A name is very personal to many players. Iisbliss was so upset when this first happened she was going to quit the game. Think of all the people with a form of "angel in their names going through the same adjustment. A lot of people are in a "wait see" status with OoW and I don't think SOE can really afford to make so many players angry over such a trivial issue at the moment.

Congrats Iisbliss and good job Scirocco!

Scirocco
08-17-2004, 06:40 PM
One of my jobs as Druid Correspondent is to bring things to the attention of SOE that they might miss. I saw Iisbliss' post, and used my mighty correspondent powers (!) to bring the situation to the attention of Brenlo, who is as reasonable as the next guy. Other folks with some form of angel in their names also ran into this at the same time. Brenlo said he'd look into it. Of course, as what goes on between a customer and SOE is confidential, I didn't know the result until Iisbliss posted here.

Lotharun
08-17-2004, 07:53 PM
I meant to say, Scirocco pulled some strings. Anyhow, it was nice of you carry this for her!

Aidon
08-18-2004, 01:37 AM
That's why we give Scir a special avatar, cause he's a sneaky bastige like that.

Aerokella
08-18-2004, 01:42 PM
I have a warrior named Jerenna Jarameson............lots of "lol I like that name", but no complaints.

Vowelumos
08-18-2004, 02:03 PM
The name policy is normally used as tools for GMS to grant names/name exclusivity to friends. For instance I had a cat named Sylvestur for about 18 months after Luclin came out. Then one day out of the blue I am told it violates the naming policy and must be changed (Reasons are probally kind of obvious, but that is not the point). 2 weeks later I see a Sylvestur the cat running around the Nexus (like level 10). I repeatedly petition, and finally I am told I need to stop petitioning, the name is not a violation of the naming policy (Hmm it was 2 weeks ago). Repeated e-mails to the Server GM and notes to the developers corner were ignored.

I finally just gave up, it was just an alt I did not play very much, but it was incredibly frustrating .


On the other hand...

I know at least 12 months after the first person petitioned (And there have been many) Bodacious Tatas on TP, they were still running around with the name.

You either made enemies of someone who knew a GM (Yes it does happen :)), A friend of a GM wanted to be the only one with that last name or some new GM is being ridiculously over zealous in the naming policy (This may happen from time to time, but is probally the most rare of the 3 options). In the past you could replace GM (In this context) with a Senior Guide, but I do not believe they have this power any longer.

LauranCoromell
08-18-2004, 04:59 PM
Congrats Iisbliss on the return of your name. I was happy to read that you had decided to try and get your name back rather than give up a character you enjoy.

And /cheer Scirocco for bringing this to the attention of someone who could help. We are very fortunate in our druid rep :).

Kulothar
09-11-2004, 03:02 AM
I expect my surname to be deleted any day. I have had the surname Tunarean since pre-Kunark but when SoV came out, the druid armor was named Tunarean which makes my name in violation of the rules. Hopefully it will continue to slip past the GM´s since I really cannot seem my druid having any other surname.

Kulothar Tunarean, Stormwarden of Tunare

Kalest MoonGlade
09-17-2004, 06:07 PM
I cant believe some of the things that they dont allow any more. The other day I spent more time trying to come up with a surname on my cleric alt then I did on my druid when I first started, finally I said screw it and used surname of my druid since the cleric was a high elf. Anyways I still get screwy names through, like Psycokiity Skitzocat, Menapaws Syndrome was another great one, gm's never said anything about those :-(

Kalest MoonGlade
65th Stormwarden of Tunare
~Solusek Ro~

Paldor
09-18-2004, 01:40 PM
Hmm..

OK question for the legal minded out there:

I know there HAS to be a law against editing a 'contract' after it is signed. Otherwise I would just scribble on my car lease that clause ZZ-14: "If you pay us on Tuseday, the car is your no matter how much you owe!"

So my question... with EULA.. If they are allowed to change it anytime they feel like it, does that give me legal power to "get my money back" etc.?

Aluaeia
09-18-2004, 06:18 PM
Except for a couple niggly details, namely that we never actually signed anything, and for that matter, all clicking accept on the eula does is give you the right to play the game til you log off.

vestix
09-18-2004, 06:48 PM
Hmm..

OK question for the legal minded out there:

I know there HAS to be a law against editing a 'contract' after it is signed. Otherwise I would just scribble on my car lease that clause ZZ-14: "If you pay us on Tuseday, the car is your no matter how much you owe!"

So my question... with EULA.. If they are allowed to change it anytime they feel like it, does that give me legal power to "get my money back" etc.?

That's way agreements typically contain the "may change from time to time" clause. In this case, you accept any changes they put in every time you click the "accept" button.

Credit cards work the same way. They change the terms, you accept by using the card.

I suppose that if they put in a change that you found unacceptable, you might be able to get back the current month's fee (most likely prorated.) Could be fun filing the small claims court to test this out.

Note I am not a lawyer, but I'm sure this is the way it works.

Vestix
Storm Warden of Tunare

Sealody
09-22-2004, 08:51 PM
GM made someone from my guild change his 'last name'. It was one he had for years, 'the Pathfinder'. Now before you reply, he WON that title at one of the first VI/SOE BotB competitions.

Sea!

rustyshrapnel
09-27-2004, 11:04 AM
That's incredibly stupid. Obviously this GM doesn't know jack squoo about those BotB tournaments. What, did he think the guy haxxored the surname command to give himself something with "the" in it?

I've heard of GM's doing stupid things, but removing a GM-given title by claiming it violates the naming policy has to rank up there at the top.

Guvwenea
10-08-2004, 09:46 AM
I bet you could refer to Cerebus

Yep seen it as Serberus on Bertoxx, reason I noticed is that my RL dog's name is Cerberus :bs: