Considering that there is tradeable gear reaching close to the 100 hp/100 mana mark. Considering theres tons of no drop, 1 groupable gear literred around ranging from 80 (Ldon, Tier1 Gates, pop elementals) to 140 (Kotd/Yxtaa)

Do you think its time for Sony to just remove the No Drop tag from anything with 100 hps/100 mana and less?

My gut tells me no...but Im finding it hard to verbalize why....

Because there would then be no reason for new raiders to start raiding in old/lower geared content.

Also, The 'Ubers' would then kill these mobs and sell the gear for lots of plat, which would mean that even if the new raiders wanted to kill these mobs, they probobly wouldn't be up (like Tormax, Zlandicar, etc)

Because there would then be no reason for new raiders to start raiding in old/lower geared content.

Also, The 'Ubers' would then kill these mobs and sell the gear for lots of plat, which would mean that even if the new raiders wanted to kill these mobs, they probobly wouldn't be up (like Tormax, Zlandicar, etc)

Problem is this stuff is going to get outdated by 70 anyway. Groups already 1 Group Zlandicar because his loot is tradeable (neck/helm)

But at very least, it would create ways for people to "gear" up so that they can go XP in gates, omens, and other more current content.

Would be better, I think, to provide some means to upgrade no drop gear. I'm not referring to augment-type improvements, but rather some quest, combine, or other mechanism to exchange no drop items for fundamentally better items.

Vestix
Storm Warden of Tunare

I was wondering if guild tribute would use nodrop items. Wouldn't be too hard to give a value to each nodrop item based on it's stats. As guilds get new items the old could then be turned in for guilde wide benefits.

I never cared for the concept of no drop tags on gear - but that's just my preference, it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the game.

I like no drop gear for the fact that it should go to the people who are there (at the raid, or in the group) and not have people rolling for their twinks or raid loot being called to someone who is not there. Also, I fully subscribe to the concept of "need before greed", in other words, if someone in group needs it and can use it, they should have it. I'll never roll against someone on a tradable item that they can use but I will only sell. The problem is that not everyone thinks that way, and making lots of things tradable as drops just gives greedy people a way to make money at the expense of others. If you want a KT drop, get yourself there and loot it :)

However, I have a bank full of really nice no drop gear that I have upgraded. I feel bad sometimes that I know there are others who could use it and it's sitting in my bank rotting. I wish at times that it was tradable so I could share with guildies. But if all that stuff went on the market, most people would be selling it...and for huge plat too. Sony is trying to drain the plat from the market, not put more in.

I have thought of maybe having a way that you could transfer a no drop item to another (specific) person. It stays no drop once the other person receives it. After that person receives it, say they can't transfer it to anyone else for 6 months or something to prevent items being cycled around. I dunno, not sure there is a solution to this one.

I like no drop because I can sell loot rights to stuff for stupidly high amounts.

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However, I have a bank full of really nice no drop gear that I have upgraded. I feel bad sometimes that I know there are others who could use it and it's sitting in my bank rotting. I wish at times that it was tradable so I could share with guildies. But if all that stuff went on the market, most people would be selling it...and for huge plat too. Sony is trying to drain the plat from the market, not put more in. [QUOTE]

this kind of stuff had no effect on pp available really. When u buy/sell between chars it just moves PP from one person to another. Only way to put more pp in, or take more out, is to mess with what stuff is bought/sold to merchants and/or raw pp drop rate.

Part of what I am thinking is stuff like say the 85 hp/85 Mana FT3 1 Groupable All/All belt from Plane of Fire. Sure it might sell for a lot to people who cant camp thier own. But the fact of buying it, helps the buyers gear and might help them progress/clear through the elementals anyway.

this kind of stuff had no effect on pp available really. When u buy/sell between chars it just moves PP from one person to another. Only way to put more pp in, or take more out, is to mess with what stuff is bought/sold to merchants and/or raw pp drop rate.


Well, yes and no.
If suddenly my bank box full of no drop quality gear became droppable, I and MANY other people would be off to the tribute master with 100k pts worth of stuff. This could reduce the amount of money funnelled into the tribute system that Sony is using to try and help heal the economy.

With the amount of no drop gear hangin around rotting, I think it could possibly have a much larger econmic impact than you might think

I'd be happier if I could turn my nodrop stuff in for tribute. If not I think a selective removal of the Nodrop tag would be in order. But I doubt SoE would devote time to that.

Well, yes and no.
If suddenly my bank box full of no drop quality gear became droppable, I and MANY other people would be off to the tribute master with 100k pts worth of stuff. This could reduce the amount of money funnelled into the tribute system that Sony is using to try and help heal the economy.

With the amount of no drop gear hangin around rotting, I think it could possibly have a much larger econmic impact than you might think

Why tribute it when you could get 500k+ in bazaar for it? O_O

Well, yes and no.
If suddenly my bank box full of no drop quality gear became droppable, I and MANY other people would be off to the tribute master with 100k pts worth of stuff. This could reduce the amount of money funnelled into the tribute system that Sony is using to try and help heal the economy.

With the amount of no drop gear hangin around rotting, I think it could possibly have a much larger econmic impact than you might think

Umm that's dependant on something totally seperate anyway. tribute value.
If that stuff had low tribute values, no one would tribute it anyway. it would be sold back and forth from players.

Why tribute it when you could get 500k+ in bazaar for it? O_O

Resisting AEs > Cash in pocket
I don't need money. I need tribute resists!!

If that stuff had low tribute values, no one would tribute it anyway. it would be sold back and forth from

a 100/100 item wirth low tribute? Imagine the Sh***storm that would cause?

a 100/100 item wirth low tribute? Imagine the Sh***storm that would cause?

Everything droppable from GoD (gear-wise) is worth 120 tribute.

Would be better, I think, to provide some means to upgrade no drop gear. I'm not referring to augment-type improvements, but rather some quest, combine, or other mechanism to exchange no drop items for fundamentally better items.
I would love this. But it isn't going to happen. Because it would be a lot of work for them.

The only way it might happen is as part of a new expansion. Then they could justify the labor to the suits by saying it is a reason for people to buy the expansion.

But considering they refuse to even make Coldain Prayer Shawl 9 and 10, don't hold your breath on this.

I would love to be able to turn my old NO DROP stuff in for tribute - I don't really care how much - since its just sitting in my bank rotting and doing nothing anyways.

I don't know about removing the tag - I would love to be able to buy some of this stuff, but at the same time thinking about how much it would cost, I likely couldnt afford it anyways.

i wish no drop item can trransfer to your twink

It'd be nice to see them drop the nodrop tag on some of the lower end stuff that nobody farms anymore, if it were tradeable demand would certainly increase. Things like the FT3 belt from Fire, maybe some of the drops off minis in PoEarth, or older content like Velious-era drops wouldn't be too bad. Might be a little more attractive to drag people out to Fire or Earth to camp a single item if the crap we don't need will fetch a few plat in the bazaar instead of rotting.

As for removing the no drop tag on higher end stuff, i'm pretty firmly against it, but it would make the prospect of more class specific items workable. I'd really like to see more class specific items, as we're always behind Clerics for priest items, Wizards for nuking focus items, and at least in my alliance Monks for any leather drops. I'm sure quite a few silk and plate classes suffer a similar fate.