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Nimchip
09-01-2004, 12:03 PM
Check it out (http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf)

Kerech
09-01-2004, 12:59 PM
Interesting stuff... I think I need to get my foil hat out now :)

Drake09
09-01-2004, 04:15 PM
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

Kerech
09-01-2004, 04:38 PM
Well, I said it was interesting, not that I believed it :p

guice
09-01-2004, 07:08 PM
I sometimes wonder why people feel that our government would intentionally send out an order to ahve 3 planes and a couple hundered poeple killed, intentionally. They make it sound like the government hates everybody and they are constantly planning new ways to distroy the country.

If they really distrust the government that much, they should move overseas.

Jinjre
09-01-2004, 11:57 PM
If they really distrust the government that much, they should move overseas

...and distrust some other government!

Arienne
09-02-2004, 01:47 AM
I sometimes wonder why people feel that our government would intentionally send out an order to ahve 3 planes and a couple hundered poeple killed, intentionally. I can think of one reason why some might not have an unswerving faith in "the government" to do what is right....

Remember Viet Nam?

jtoast
09-02-2004, 02:06 AM
You just hit one of my pet peeves :P.....This isn't unkempt so I will be polite.

Remember Viet Nam?
I am one of the older posters on this board(per the poll) and I barely remember Vietnam.

I have, on the other hand, spent 6 years in the military and am fairly well versed in military history and have many friends and family members who fought in that war.

Unless you actually lived through this era, or have spent time studying this particular period in history(I don't mean one college class) then you probably don't have enough information to make that statement.

Please don't go there.

guice
09-02-2004, 04:57 AM
Remember Viet Nam?
Nope, it's ancient history now. The military has changed (dramatically) since then.

I will say I do understand why the government would not tell everything, but I don't see why it would completely turn things around in blamming somebody else for something they've intentionally setup. Logic just doesn't compute.

Anka
09-02-2004, 06:45 AM
but I don't see why it would completely turn things around in blamming somebody else for something they've intentionally setup

Like the US governement wouldn't force the UN to put inspection teams into Saddam Hussein's Iraq only to publicly rubbish their (accurate) results?

Araxx Darkroot
09-02-2004, 04:53 PM
I sometimes wonder why people feel that our government would intentionally send out an order to ahve 3 planes and a couple hundered poeple killed, intentionally. They make it sound like the government hates everybody and they are constantly planning new ways to distroy the country.

If they really distrust the government that much, they should move overseas.

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't the government sent thousands of soldiers to their deaths?

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong.

And you needn't worry, I live overseas already. :D

Talyena Trueheart
09-02-2004, 05:31 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't the government sent thousands of soldiers to their deaths?

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong.

And you needn't worry, I live overseas already. :D


Yes, the liberation of Europe was quite costly, and I often wonder now if it was worth it.

jtoast
09-02-2004, 05:40 PM
Yes, the liberation of Europe was quite costly, and I often wonder now if it was worth it.

Lol Ouch!

Talyena Trueheart
09-02-2004, 06:04 PM
Lol Ouch!

Of course, I didn't really mean that, but when someone compares flying planes full of civilians into buildings full of civilians with sending soldiers to war, I figured I would counter with something just as outrageous.

Panamah
09-02-2004, 06:18 PM
Why do people have to dream up wild conspiracy theories involving the government for every possible event? Paranoia must be a very common mental disorder.

Kellaen
09-02-2004, 09:53 PM
Comparing nam to ww2 is like comparing a pile of dog feces to angel food cake. They're at the furthest ends of the spectrum you could possibly get.

Sheahay
09-03-2004, 12:17 AM
Why do people have to dream up wild conspiracy theories involving the government for every possible event? Paranoia must be a very common mental disorder.

Simpily put, because people will believe all the wild conspiracies that are thought up. The people who come up with the theories know they are wrong, they are just trying to sway people to their cause.

Nimchip
09-03-2004, 07:44 PM
Simpily put, because people will believe all the wild conspiracies that are thought up. The people who come up with the theories know they are wrong, they are just trying to sway people to their cause.

Much like people will believe everything that is hand-fed to them.

Oh yea and the liberation of Europe? Ever hear of the Russians? Oh yea you mean Normandy... wait I thought that was a joint attack between nations. Oh well.

Arienne
09-03-2004, 08:07 PM
Why do people have to dream up wild conspiracy theories involving the government for every possible event? Paranoia must be a very common mental disorder.Why? Because we (they) can. We have the right to express our suspicions and the right to question our government, unlike many in this world. And often, responding to these questions helps others reinforce their belief in our system.

It's not really such a bad thing. :)

Anka
09-03-2004, 10:20 PM
Why do people have to dream up wild conspiracy theories involving the government for every possible event? Paranoia must be a very common mental disorder.

Because real conspiracies are usually really dull.

harvey the dog
09-04-2004, 12:01 PM
trust me. the pentagon was DEFINATELY hit by a 747. wanna know how i know this? cause i was about 120 yards away from the point of impact. in fact, if you look at one of the last pictures on the last link above there, the one of the pentagon from above with the smoke coming out of it, you can see an entrance to the left of the blackened area. my office was on the other side of the hallway from that door. trust me. it was a BIG FRIGGIN PLANE that hit that building that morning. oh, and the first link there has the time wrong. it wasn't 8:38am. it was 9:38am. EST that is.

Araxx Darkroot
09-04-2004, 12:15 PM
Yes, the liberation of Europe was quite costly, and I often wonder now if it was worth it.

First of all I'm not European, so you can try again later.
Secondly, you didn't liberate Europe. Read your history books better, and then realise that the third Reich was already in decline, they were dying by the thousands as they tried to invade Russia, and Saving Private Ryan is not a historic document, it's a film... :sleep:

Sending people to fight a war, even if they are soldiers, is still sending them to their deaths. What do you care if you're sending people to their deaths or sending a missile their way?

This is all hypothetical in any case. If you knew me better you'd have realised that sooner, but I digress.

When you're 13 years old and you want to impress an adult you exagerate whatever it is you're talking about.
When you're the President of the USA and you want the whole country to back you in a war for oil, *cough* I mean against terrorism, you damn well make sure the terrorists' attack is not one lousy bomb that kills 3 people, you make it as loud and barbaric as you can. Which doesn't mean he done it, I'm just trying to prove a point.

You either get it or you don't.

In either case, and returning to your witty remark, you guys didn't do so well in Vietnam anyway. I seem to remember there was an A$$, and I seem to remember it was handed back to you guys. No? /shrug

:dance: :flipbg: :p :D ;)

weoden
09-06-2004, 01:10 PM
trust me. the pentagon was DEFINATELY hit by a 747. wanna know how i know this? cause i was about 120 yards away from the point of impact.

I have no doubt that a 747 crashed into the Pentagon but where did the wings go? These guys showed pics of the crash site and asked the question... where did the wings go? They may have melted or disintegrated in the crash or imbedded in the building... but I do wonder...

Talyena Trueheart
09-06-2004, 01:42 PM
When you're 13 years old and you want to impress an adult you exagerate whatever it is you're talking about.
When you're the President of the USA and you want the whole country to back you in a war for oil

Happy birthday!

Talyena Trueheart
09-06-2004, 01:49 PM
I have no doubt that a 747 crashed into the Pentagon but where did the wings go? These guys showed pics of the crash site and asked the question... where did the wings go? They may have melted or disintegrated in the crash or imbedded in the building... but I do wonder...

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/images/avion-incrustation.jpg

I love this pic. It is off one of the websites saying a plane couldn't have hit the pentagon. It asks where the wings went and why they caused no damage. But if you look directly in front of where the wings would have hit, you see damage. If anything it proves the opposite. The plane fits into that hole like a puzzle piece with even the wings causing damage.

As for what happened to the wings, take an aluminum can and put a torch to it. The wings were crushed and probably folded back, and then they were burned in the fireball. But it is obvious they hit the building, so they must have been there.

Fenmarel the Banisher
09-06-2004, 03:06 PM
Are you sure it was a 747? Reports had said it was a 757 that was hijacked. It's not that I doubt you where there. I'm glad there is someone here with first hand experience to set the record strait. I'm just interested in making sure we get our facts strait.

Fenmarel the Banisher
09-06-2004, 03:21 PM
Talyena thats a picture of the pentagon a few days later? After some structural collapse has occurred. So it's not a good picture to be using to justify the where the wings went theory. I think the picture that they are questioning where the wings went is one of the earlier pictures. Far be from me to make an argument for these idiots but, we need to counter this crud with good arguments.

One I would suggest is that there is a piece of the plane that hit the pentagon sitting on a table in Donald Rumsfields office. It's a piece he recovered from the wreckage of the pentagon the day of the tragedy. He had the piece mounted and keeps it there as a reminder of what happened that day. It should be fairly easy for an aviation expert to identify that piece and what type of plane it came from.

Talyena Trueheart
09-06-2004, 05:02 PM
I used that picture because it is directly from what is probably the first conspiracy theory website about the pentagon. They used that picture to show that the wings didn't fit in the hole and didn't do any damage, yet it looks to me like it shows just the opposite.

Hunt the Boeing! And test your perceptions! (http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm)

oddjob1244
09-06-2004, 06:57 PM
Conspiracy sites are so funny. It's like reading about The Bible on the internet, you're always wrong, and even more so they answer for you. When you try and write them an email pointing out their obvious flaws, you're still wrong.

Thicket Tundrabog
09-07-2004, 11:42 AM
Conspiracy garbage like this may be entertaining to most. I suspect it would be deeply disturbing to family members of those on the plane and casualties in the Pentagon.

I can't imagine an intelligent person believing that the American government could orchestrate such an astounding, incredible cover-up. If you do, may I suggest you leave your important personal decisions to a rational friend or family member.

This issue reminds me of Holocaust deniers.

seaxouri
09-07-2004, 02:21 PM
Why do people have to dream up wild conspiracy theories involving the government for every possible event? Paranoia must be a very common mental disorder.

ROFL.

First of all, it's not every event, only some events.
Secondly, there is a lot more that goes on in the world than the common public is aware of. How much resistance did the Watergate reporters meet during their investigation? Now everyone is like 'oh, yeah, Watergate, but back then, they were seemingly alone. Everyone called them 'paranoid' too.

I love snopes.com. I use it all the time, been using them for years. However, the snopes post was data 4/2001. Shortly after the 9/11 incident. A lot more information is available since then. I wonder if all of this has been taken into consideration.

I'm not saying it is true, or even have a theory why it might be true. But it certainly seems like there is enough evidence backing the theory to warrant some explanation. If there is nothing to hide, why not release the videos that were siezed? If there is a good reason not to, tell us why. A lot of the common public has a lot more intelligence than those in charge, and they know that. We are not stupid, we figure things out, and everyone knows it.

Theories occur when there is insufficient evidence to sway an argument one way or the other. If you remove enough evidence, the event in question becomes a theory until the evidence is released or new evidence is found.

As with Watergate, it is possible there is something deeper that would be uncovered if left to the curiosities of the common public.

All I want is the truth. Don't make me guess.

B_Delacroix
09-07-2004, 03:36 PM
Cartoon Law III
Any body passing through solid matter will leave a perforation conforming to its perimeter.
Also called the silhouette of passage, this phenomenon is the speciality of victims of directed-pressure explosions and of reckless cowards who are so eager to escape that they exit directly through the wall of a house, leaving a cookie-cutout-perfect hole. The threat of skunks or matrimony often catalyzes this reaction.


People will believe anything simply because they want to beleive it or they are afraid it is true.