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kynetik
03-23-2006, 12:29 PM
hi guys, i got a question i wana ask... i read the oh-so informational pvp guide that helped me soo much but i got a side question to ask... is there any way i can take on a warrior or rogue? or is this one of the classes i just needa pass by?. I plan on doing WSG at lvl 29 as a flag carrier currently feral specced. Do you guys have any suggestions?. Thanks so much for your help. im new to the druid's grove ><.

Kyane
03-23-2006, 07:12 PM
Let's see...29...so no travel form yet...
- Free Action Pot....For the WIN!

As per Rogues and Warriors:
You can take them, it just takes practice. A rogue will likely get the jump on you. You'll want to keep your distance.

Warriors you want to stay out of their charge distance so you want to be in closer with them.

With both classes you want to keep moonfire and faerie fire on them as much as possble. Less armor = more damage = dead faster.

Trixtaa
03-23-2006, 07:41 PM
And the faerie fire will piss the rogues off.

Rainlight
03-24-2006, 01:17 PM
:clap: My favorite is the "poof" sound vanish makes and then they don't disappear

Rayze
03-24-2006, 02:21 PM
:clap: My favorite is the "poof" sound vanish makes and then they don't disappear

Yes, music to my furry oversized ears...

Jimmay
03-24-2006, 02:31 PM
If you are not bear already, drop to bear, bash them back up, root and FF the rogue, moonfire, back into bear and beat them down.

Everytime I see a rogue in BG I hit FF immediately, then root them so they can't do that jump around crap.

Warrior is just an endurance thing, fight them in bear while popping out for heals (use bash/warstomp if you have it). The goal is to outlast the warrior here.

Kyane
03-24-2006, 05:03 PM
Jimmay, you're on Malfurion? Don't remember seeing the name Stugots around...I'll keep my eyes peeled for you next time I'm in AV/AB/WSG

I've made "good friends" with a warrior orc "Goodkiller". We take turns killing each other. I'll be in a group of like 10 people and he comes after me. I must have pissed him off long ago ;)

Jimmay
03-25-2006, 10:08 AM
I just started doing BG's last weekend for the first time =). Still learning how they work and all, since I retired long ago before BG's were implemented and world pvp was all we had =/

kynetik
03-25-2006, 01:16 PM
hey guys i was also wandering, my friend told me if i wanted to go feral, then put 1 into natures grasp first, then 5 into furor then the rest into feral? will this slow down my talent tree by alot? is it worth it?..

Ittles
03-26-2006, 06:29 AM
This is a little off-topic, but since it says "Problems With Rogues", I'm going to vent. I absolutely have no respect for rogues anymore. Yes I know I am stereotyping right now but I don't care anymore. As a matter of fact, I /spit whenever I pass a rogue (Yes, even the same faction).

It has been at least 5 times where I have been grinding mobs where a chest is...I'll see a rogue sneaking up like I don't see him, then all of a sudden vanish, then while I'm fighting the last mob in front of the chest, up pops the rogue and takes the chest. Rogues are the lowliest of low in my opinion.

Ahh...I feel much better now. (Damn Rogues) /spit

Bulldoser
03-26-2006, 06:52 PM
Hum, that is an interesting post Ittles. I have a 60 rogue and a 60 druid. I lvl'd the druid pretty much the same way I lvl'd the rogue.

Rogues need the element of surprise to take out an enemy. Their class is made for this...so you really can't fault them. Since I come from a PVP server, getting ganked before, during, or after you kill a mob is just part of the game.

I must admit I loved ganking people as a feral druid (when I was lvl'n up). I would always stay cat and keep my track humanoid on. Talk about the anti-gank radar. If I saw someone on track I would stealth and go check it out. If it was an ally....GANK! I don't care if they are attacking something or not.

Bulldoser
60 Druid on Spinebreaker
Denizens of Defilement

Kaisen
03-27-2006, 02:08 AM
At 60 fight rogues in BGs is a love/hate relationship. Some of my proudest moments are against them, as well as the ones that drive me absolutely nuts.

I've used about the same tactic since I started BGs at level 39 (Bloodhoof, PvE server) Basically I start in cat form and stealth up behind them, show them how a backstab is supposted to work from stealth, then give em the regular stab, and shift to bear form (using moonfire as I go) then immediately faire fire them (do it when you were in caster form if you don't have the feral version) Rogues only wear leather so you can beat down what hitpoints they have left easy enough. When I get the jump on a rogue, I can take em down faster than a cloth caster who have more defensive spells and abilities.

Now, when the rogue gets the jump on you, or catches you running the flag, Stunlock is the single most annoying thing ever, period. Even more so than shaman in general (I got a 60 shaman too, I know how much they can get under alliance's skin hehe) Not much you can do if they have you, unless you get lucky and help arrives. But as a rule of thumb I go Bear form vs melee (except hunters who try to back up and bow) and can have the DPS to do cat against casters.

(Sig Under Construction)
Knight Captain Kaisen of Bloodhoof
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goa
03-27-2006, 12:03 PM
Uhm? Wars and rogues are like cake for us. Just bear dude. Armor cripples meleers.

Tip: Remember you can abolish poison on yourself to take away the blind-effect (you have to cast it before it happens thou, but after a while, you'll know the patterns of the rogues). =)

lorath
03-27-2006, 01:16 PM
What server do you play on Goa? Firetree?

Braylore
03-28-2006, 01:17 PM
Of course rogues are gonna vanish and backstab ya, that's their schtick. Best way to deal with a rogue is to FF immediately... if they can't disappear, the rest is easy. Less heals in Bear, and faster dps in Cat...or drop a root and Moonkin cast away, if you're balance spec.

If a twinked/uber rogue gets the drop on you right away, you might be toast...if you survive the stun and backstab, hopefully you got a rejuve or some other pot, because you're gonna need it. Next: Stomp - FF - root - heal - Bear/Cat/Moonkin away.

Stuns are critical, don't forget to use them! I will often stealth behind an unsuspecting ally, pounce-FF(feral)-shred-Fury-Rake-Claw-Rip/Bite... shift to caster and stomp-root-heal then shift to bear and enrage-charge-maul-maul-bash...rinse and repeat...switch to caster for heals.

Only difference with Warrior is that you have to go Yogi (bear) in order to keep up with the dmg they deal.

Keep a good supply of full health pots/rejuves...nothing irks me more than an ally near death that chugs a full health pot.

:thumbup:

Jimmay
04-03-2006, 10:49 AM
Stuns are critical, don't forget to use them! I will often stealth behind an unsuspecting ally, pounce-FF(feral)-shred-Fury-Rake-Claw-Rip/Bite... shift to caster and stomp-root-heal then shift to bear and enrage-charge-maul-maul-bash...rinse and repeat...switch to caster for heals.

Heh that is an awesome plan =) I think it would work too if the 3 Alliance hunters using me for a pincushion suddenly vanished too! Stuns are killer and that is an awesome setup if you can catch someone alone.