I wonder, how many of you think that druids should get a set that gives us stats that benefit us the most in our feral forms?
What I mean is this
STR>AGI or STAM>INT OR SPRT
Cause if you pull pieces from everywhere your druid is gonna look prtty bunk.
I mean, some feral pieces exist, why not make a full set of some?

/agree

The PVP armor set is feral oriented, and the Genesis set from AQ40 is kind of Feral/Balance. Equal parts str/agi/mellecrit and spelldmg/spellcrit.

What I meant though was to go heavy on the str ang agi.
right now I have lots of agi w/ str stuff but I cant find pieces that don't have int.
Still, we don't have stuff that equals to stormrage in terms of str and agi with set bonuses for feral nstead of healing and casting bonuses.

I would love some cooldown time slashed from frenzied regeneration or an increase on tiger's fury time. Or even increases in stun time. Feral Heart comes close but its not an 8 item epic set like stormrage.

Come to think of it, Blizz does not like to give love to any class spec that doesn't follow its "main" role (ex.shadow priest, retro pally)

P.S. PvPing to rank 13 is alot harder than raiding imo.And the set still doesn't have enough str & agi(my 2 fav stats, sorry!) for the effort that you put into it...

The Cenarion rep set gives huge AP and a feral set bonus, and you can wear it with any of the other sets (PvP for example) to tweak pretty feral awesome. Going further would be broken IMO.

Ill take an item with str/sta/int over str/sta/agil. Id rather have mana to shapeshift and heal myself then an extra percent or two of crit damage to shapeshift twice and be out of mana.....

Let me guess. You didn't take the talents that give you combo points or rage when you crit. I know this because if you had taken those talents, we wouldn't be discussing whether agi or int is better for a feral druid. You would know from experience that anything that increases crit% is far more important than INT. I cannot stress enough how much %crit increases your DPS when you have those talents. Which in turn decreases how often you have to shift during a fight.

With HotW, you should have 3k+ mana at 60 without +INT gear. That's more than sufficient for shifting and healing. If it isn't, and you're in bear, you need a better armor rating a lot more than you need +INT. It's easy to get 10-12k armor in bear. With 10k armor I can easily solo the 61 elite stone guardians in Un'Goro. If you're shifting out of cat to heal, you're in the wrong form to begin with.

Now, if you don't have HotW either, you're not a feral druid. Feral gear is mostly a waste of time in that case because you're never going to wear it except for solo farming rep. Rep farming while grouped is much faster if you can find anyone to go with you.

In the same vein I would like to see a resto set reward for PvP. I am not going to hold my breath tho...

No actually I do have Blood Frenzy and I have great non-epic gear for my Druid. Ive broken 26% crit with over 1k AP and I still manage to be smart enough to know that any good druid needs a mana pool to shapeshift.

If you have anything less than 3700 mana and your 14/32/5 you are gimping yourself. In bear, I have 9k HP and roughly 10k armor so its not like Im not using good gear. I prefer being able to shapeshift 3 or 4 times in a fight and not worry about being oom.

31 resto and I'll take all the feral gear my guild can lay it's hands on.

Switching out to heal in cat form is wrong? sorry, but sometimes I dps and still manage to heal myself from AOE or heal party members that need it. Also solo/farming.

I've tanked trash in MC, off tanked Domo, tanked on the Spider Boss in ZG all the 5 man instances except DM West (just hasn't come up), all the dragons for the Ony quest, etc.

HoTW and fearl talents just make it easier, I could tank with 0 pts in feral if it were needed.

If you are soloing in cat, and you have to shift out to heal several times during the fight, you are almost certainly in the wrong form. The exception being against casters that do not do significant melee damage.

If you are raiding in cat and mana is an issue because you shift out several times during a fight to heal, you're probably wrong. You would almost certainly be more productive either just healing or waiting to shift out until the other healers are starting to get low and then healing the rest of the fight.

If you are resto spec and raiding in cat, you're only doing it for loldps because you're bored and everyone else doesn't mind taking up your slack. You're doing at least 20% and probably closer to 40% less damage than you would be with an 1?/3?/? build. A feral build can offer DPS comparable to a rogue, but a resto build in cat is something of a joke. Bear is far better for resto because you can at least do a respectable job off tanking.

I'm 11/40/0 with 3.3k mana base. I can generally shift out to heal 3 times from bear. 4-5 if I pop mana potions. I honestly can't recall any situations where another shift or two would have made a difference.

Who said several? I don't like to ever drink if I can avoid it.

Ofcourse if I'm on a raid in cat it's cause I'm not particularly needed at the moment for heals. If you havn't run MC, certain parts require more healing then other parts. I think 3 healers could cover Garr.

Your also assuming equality of gear in comapring my damage output to a ferals. I do realize that if i was more feral spec'ed I'd do more damage... but compared to most 60 druids, my feral gear is pretty good. DPS is also the least important role in a 40man raid. Even if a feral were to do somthing silly like 40% more damage then me... the raid would end prob 30seconds earlier because of that damage.

I focus on purely +str +agi for my feral gear.


With HotW, you should have 3k+ mana at 60 without +INT gear. That's more than sufficient for shifting and healing.

Yes that's exactly what I think aswell, 3k+ mana is good enough for healing when you come out of cat or bear form.

With 10k armor I can easily solo the 61 elite stone guardians in Un'Goro.

That is a lot of armor, with built do you use with what gear?


No actually I do have Blood Frenzy and I have great non-epic gear for my Druid. Ive broken 26% crit with over 1k AP and I still manage to be smart enough to know that any good druid needs a mana pool to shapeshift.

If you have anything less than 3700 mana and your 14/32/5 you are gimping yourself.

Hey I have a 14/31 built right now and I'm curious if you have put your last points in MotW or Furor. I still haven't decided yet where to put mine in, I've got 3 points left now since I just turned lvl57 last night (/cheer ;) )

This is the built I am using now: Click (http://www.pandahideout.com/talents/talents.php?class=Druid&template=PY1PX4PU5PT3PR1YJ5YH3YG2YE2YD1YC3YB1YA3Yz 2Yx2Yw1Yv5Yu1)

Do you guys perhaps have a link to your profile since I am interested in the feral gear you wear. My profile is outdated since the char profiler isn't updated yet, but this is my feral gear right now:

Pridelord Halo helmet
Shadowcraft Shoulders
Grizzeld Pelt chest (+3 all stats)
Blackflame cape (+70 armor)
Wildheart bracers
Devilsaur gloves and leggings (both +40 amor)
Shadowcraft belt
Wolfrunner boots (+40 amor) (these boots were pure feral before the 1.10 patch...)

Necklace I usually use is the +1% dodge and +5 agi
Rings: Ironspy's eye and a +12 str ring

The weapon I use btw is the Painbringer of the Gorilla which has +17 str and +17 int, imho nice combo for extra mana.

Any recommendations for better gear?

I have about 8k armor, 5k hp in bear. Still working on getting my AP up there, but here is generally the gear I run with:

Helm of the pathfinder - +1% crit
stormpike soldier necklace - +15 stam +18AP
Atal'ai Spaulders of stamina - +19 stam ( still run those trolls 1x a day and have yet to get the shoulders I want yet...grrr!! )
Cloak of Warding
Grizzled Pelt
Feralheart bracers
Devilsaur Gauntlets ( enchant +7 stren )
Might of the Timbermaw belt +21 str +9stam
Devilsaur Leggings
Frostsaber boots +12 frost +12 shadow ( still looking for boots I want )
Band of the Great Tortise +120 armor
Band of Living Stone +10 Strn +9 Stam
Warden Staff ( enchant +15 stren )

Yeah I also have the Band of the Great Tortoise, we got that from quarding that turtle in Tanaris. I have exchanged the +4str +9agi ring (Ironspye) for the Band of the Great Tortoise. And I also had a +9str +10sta ring so I have put that on instead of the +12str ring. Instead I have put on a +12str neckless.

But what I don't get is how you guys have so much armor, with that gear I wrote above (including the +120 armor ring) I have almost 2k in cast form with MotW and nearly 6k in bear??

The Bear bonus doesn't use armor kits or enchants.

The biggest difference I see right off the bat is our cloaks:
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=35977 ( mine )

Shoulders:
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=18502 ( 193 armor vs your 127 ) though I want the shoulders with +str too, not just the +stam, but the trolls in ST have been less than cooperative.

*edit* removed wrong belt link

Belt:
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=40726 ( same AC )

How are you using a mail belt O.o ?? Teach me! lol

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=40669

But what I don't get is how you guys have so much armor, with that gear I wrote above (including the +120 armor ring) I have almost 2k in cast form with MotW and nearly 6k in bear??

I'm 0/15/36 resto right now, and in my feral gear I have 9.3k armor 5k health and +20something def buffed with iMoTW only.

Three things which make a huge difference: Warden Staff (+260ac +11 sta +10 def), Cloak of Warding (+214ac +5 def) and Mark of Tyrany (+180ac, +10 arc resist +1% dodge).

My gear:
Bone Ring Helm / Eye of Rend
Imperial Jewel / Evil Eye Pendant
Atal'ai Spaulders of the Monkey
Fungus Shroud Armor (need better)
Cloak of Warding with +50ac enchant
Blackmist Armguards
Devilsaur Gauntlets
Salamander Scale Pants (higher ac than my blademaster pants)
Shadowcraft Belt
Boots of the Shrieker
Ring of the Great Tortise
Mark of Tyrany
Warden Staff with +15str enchant

My str and ap is kinda gimped for tanking, but my idea was to max ac. Need to get Tombstone Breastplate and Animist Spaulders. Next I want to get Smoking Heart of the Mountain, though thats gonna be kind of a pain to lvl my enchanting. Worth it tho - Should be able to get 10k soon.

I have a different set for dpsing / soloing with about +130ap, +5% crit, +4% dodge +5% hit (or something like that), which puts my dps at about 102 as calculated in the character info screen, its much higher when you take into account special attacks and crits. This is where I notice a big hit in not being feral

3k mana isn't going to get you anywhere healing in MC, Ony or for that matter main healing a 5man Scholo / Strat run. For PvP / soloing its probably fine.

Lol "3 healers could probally cover garr". Our second time on him we downed him with not one death.

Ha! linked the wrong freaing belt. Silly Timbermaw search:
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=40726

That's the right one...DOH!

Clari, why don't you have the +70 ac enchant on cloak, its not expensive on my server (got mine for 7g)?

7g, bring your own mats I hope?

I think on mine it runs about 7 but the mats were kind of expensive.

I think I'll end up going for the "Greater Resistance (+5 all resistances)" that I will end up getting instead of the +70ac

I got the +50 armor for free :) Someone was spamming "3 free +50 ac to cloak enchants at bank" cause I guess they were just trying to lvl enchanting quick. So I got 2 of them :cool: Tipped the guy 3g or so I think.

If I were to pay for it, I'd have gone for the +70. Or +5 to all resistances. Not really sure. Probably +70 on my cloak of warding, and +5 resist on my Hide of the Wild.

+ AC enchants do not convert to bear / moonkin yes ???

They do not get the bear/moon multiplier, but they do "add on" afterwards.

ok thank you

If you're after DPS and survivability, go for "of the Bear" gear (+str, +stam). If you can't find +str, of the Monkey is fine too (+agl, +stam). At around 1000 attack power, each 1% crit chance is worth about the same as 10 AP or 5 str. 20 agility is worth 20AP + 1% crit chance or a grand total of 30 AP. If your AP is fairly low to begin with, I'd focus on STR far more than agility but after 1000AP or so, Agility will be playing an increasing role in your DPS.

In the same vein I would like to see a resto set reward for PvP. I am not going to hold my breath tho...

Pluueeeze! Darn near *everything* out there is queer resto-oriented and you want more???

/gag /projectile vomit

Nothing 'queer' about resto, doc.

The reason 3k mana isnt enough for Feral is because a heal as feral spec takes 750 mana to fully heal yourself. So you shapeshift out, heal yourself, shapeshift back in, thats well over 1k mana. Now in PvP, you dont fight one enemy then have time to sit down and drink and heal up, you more than likely have to fight another person which is why having a large mana pool makes you a better druid in PvP.

I dont give a crap about mana if Im in a raid DPSing. But in PvP, I refuse to have a mana pool less than 4k. I run around with about 1400AP, 28% crit, 5k HP, 4k mana now. Epic gear ftw.

+5 resist on my Hide of the Wild.

I am 40/11 and was thinking of going with a subtely chant on my cloak for those healing/decursing times.

I hate pvp and also I don't have the time for it and I have been looking to see what legs I should go for. I wear Abssyal legs of striking but I have feralheart in the bank. Should I just wait to kill Ouro for Genesis legs ?

If your going for pure armor check out the volcanic chest and legs, cheap, and lots of armor.

Also, look at the battle of dorrowshire quest, you can get a really nice ring out of that quest.

This is a list of gear i put together for feral druids with 5/5 HotW. Definately aweosme gear to grab pre ZG/AQ and MC/BWL.

Dark Warder's Pauldrons
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=22241
Shadowcraft Cap
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=16707
Amulet of the Darkmoon
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19491
Cape of the Black Baron
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=13340
Cadaverous Armor
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=14637
Forest Stalker's Bracers
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19587
Shadow Panther Hide Gloves
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=20259
Cloudrunner Girdle
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=13252
Abyssal Leather Leggings of Striking
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=20665
Dunestalker's Boots
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=20715
Protector's Band
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19514
Legionnaire's Band
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19510

Str-156, Agi-152, Stam-112.9, AtkPwr-80, +crit-1
Attack Power total=544
(stats are based on 5/5 HotW) '

Now all this gear is great, but there's no Int on it at all. so I'd suggest putting points into natural shifter, so you can save some mana for healing/rooting.

enjoy :D

Bayze