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Ghost Bear
05-21-2006, 03:18 AM
Swiftmend info from the test realm...I told you guys not to get all apprehensive.

"Talent tooltip:

Swiftmend
Rank 1/1
248 mana, 40 yd range
Instant cast, 15 sec cooldown.

Consumes a rejuvination or regrowth effect on a friendly target to instantly heal them an amount equal to 12 sec of a rejuv or 18 sec of a regrowth."

Essentially there is no more ranks to SM. Its power is adjusted by the rank of Rejuv/regrowth you consume. Its and instant as you see and it does healing equal to the amount that the rejuv/regrowth would do in the entire alloted time of the HOT. However it is not like you all were thinking that it uses whatever part of the HOT is remaining. It is full regardless. If you fire SM 1 second into the HOT or 8 it will still be the same.

Furthermore, +healing is taken into account.

Also you may fire SM off another druids HOT atm. Though who knows that may be a bug that will be fixed since I cannot blow up a conflag off another locks immolate to my knowledge. Though in raids its tough to tell with 900 dots flying around.

But to go with that, if you fire SM off another druid's HOT, it is being reported that it is YOUR +healing which factors the SM healing, NOT the druid that used the original HOT.

Also note that it factors in the cast time of the HOT into the tooltip. What this means is that the 8-piece Stormrage doesn't effect SM except that it will give you 1 more tick to fire it off, however will not add more to the healing.

Lastly it consumes Rejuv over Regrowth.

This is all taken from the Druid forums off the WoW community site. Here is the link:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-druid&t=902026&p=1&tmp=1#post902026

Trixtaa
05-21-2006, 09:01 PM
Interesting. Seems like I better learn the timing to this. Sounds a lot better than I originally thought it to be.

Ghost Bear
05-22-2006, 02:15 AM
I doubt your timing will matter. If everyone can fire off each other's HOTs your own personal timing will be thrown out the window. The most you can really hope for is that they throw up another rejuv to replace the one of yours that they just blew up.

Anyways know the tool tip, it'd be interesting how this heal would effect the efficiency in the grand scheme of things. For example Regrowth by itself is very inefficient, but maybe with enough +healing, combined with this it might become a great combo...or whatever. I don't feel like putting all the combos together though and adding it up. Math makes me emo....

lumbergh
05-22-2006, 02:54 AM
Is it worth pursuing a resto build for this? I still have time to switch gears and go balance.

Rius
05-22-2006, 04:30 AM
The way I see it, this is a PVP talent. Not that it wouldn't be good in a raid too, but I see the 24/0/27 build as the best for that purpose. 19% mana cost reduction on HT (and the 2.5 sec cast time when critting) combined with Innervate as a trainable skill is nothing to snuff at.

For PVP, it's another matter. There, every instant helps, and this is one heck of a useful instant to be having.
Further, I believe I'll put points in Gift of Nature rather than Imp Regrowth in combination with this talent. Not sure, though. The idea is that Gift of Nature will improve EVERY healing spell including this, even Regrowth. Sure, imp Regrowth improves the spell even more, but since we now have two instant heals rather than one...
The priests are already crying. No reason they should, but as they say, the grass is always greener on the other side. We've cried a lot for not having a Flash Heal earlier.

Ghost Bear
05-22-2006, 07:33 AM
Against classes that Natures Swiftness destroyed, this will be overpowered. For classes that purge/dispell/eat buffs, this will be just one more thing for them to take. Its not going to have too much effect either way I don't think. Maybe just that now you aren't COMPLETELY screwed when you have your Nature's Swiftness eaten by a felhunter on auto-devour.

In PVE its one of 2 things:
1) A very nice panic button. Not as strong a heal as a NS/HT but its much more usable with the shorter cooldown. Its cheaper too.

2) Again its cheap. Rejuv/SM is just a bit less mana than a HT. When you factor in the whole HOT from rejuv its a nice mana efficient heal. Only thing is if you pop it everytime the cooldown is up, you wont have it for emergency.

But its up to in how you use it. If you take it, and all that. Its just another tool to use.

DaEsoteric
05-22-2006, 07:35 AM
Is it worth pursuing a resto build for this? I still have time to switch gears and go balance.

I still play my Resto druid very much like a balance one in solo or group pve/low level instances. With nice damage gear I found myself absolutely slaughtering the mobs in the plaugelands (gotta grind the AD rep now before Naxx). I played with a hunter friend and timed his aim shot with my Starfire 7 for fun and after an 1108 crit and whatever he hit for... mob go bye bye :) I only have 12 points in balance for the range and moonfire crit right now (3/5 wrath, 1/1 nat, grasp, 1/4 imp grasp 5/5 moonfire, 2/2 reach. ive got points to play with and still keep swiftmend.

I just have to say I love my druid. being a "heal bot" with 10222 AC, nukes for 1k (which after patch I'm going to try and spec further into balance so those crits sky rocket again), and crit heals as high as 5880 (with power Infusion)/4800-5100ish unbuffed. Is AOK with me. And Swiftmend definately has me intrigued. We get our rejuv effect then a instant flash heal at the end... I can't wait.


Now if Blizzard could only get there test realms situated.

"hey 6.5 Million userbase we've got New Exciting content and 1 server for you guys to test it on, btw our login servers dont work"

Rockwell
05-22-2006, 02:19 PM
I like it alot... pve/pvp/duels... an all around nice new talent to replace the innervate hole.

It also brings awhole new thought process and new options to the heal game... using this as a flash heal, or as a mana effcient last second bost to a waining HOT. Regrowth becoming the kind of heals with a 3000hp/2sec cast (well 2.2 second if you figure human reflex into it).

It makes sense to me that we can boost other druids HoTs since we can only have one Rejuv/Regrowth ticking on a target. It would kinda be lame it we were 'locked out' by another druids hot.

Ah... just what druids needed... more choices.

Balzinn
05-22-2006, 03:54 PM
I usually lie and tell them I'm feral when I join a PuG =).

for Ghost Bear:
/script ClearTarget() CastSpellByName("Nature's Swiftness") SpellStopCasting() CastSpellByName("Healing Touch") SpellTargetUnit('player') TargetLastTarget()

wrt Conflaheal. I think I'll use it for a week and see how I feel. My biggest problem with it is I tend to drop rejuv4 all over the place. Since it's still going to cost the same mana but apparently heal based in the rejuv it consumes, that's not what you'd call a whole lot of efficiency =(. For me in smaller events it's not such a problem since I know what's on who, but I imagine it would mess with the other druid's heads =).

Rius
05-22-2006, 04:30 PM
Question. If Druid A (major healbot) has maxed out Imp Rejuvenation and Gift of Nature and casts a rank 11 Rejuvenation on a target, then Druid B with only talents in Imp Rejuv can't overwrite it, right?

Swiftmend is not flash heal, it'll take some time getting used to. And I'll try to use it with Rejuvenation as much as possible, it's just not worth it mana-wise to cast Regrowth-Swiftmend.. unless there's a major crisis where mana doesn't matter.

This will absolutely rock for flag carrying. I've so decided to take it... Now there's only the questions what other talents to take as well... I'm leaning towards http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?0t0xbMxZZxE0oeq0o for now, but Omen of Clarity and Feral Charge also sounds so friggin' tempting.

I've got shaman, druid, paladin and priest (yes, I love healing). With no other class have I had so much trouble figuring how to spec.

Balzinn
05-22-2006, 06:08 PM
Question. If Druid A (major healbot) has maxed out Imp Rejuvenation and Gift of Nature and casts a rank 11 Rejuvenation on a target, then Druid B with only talents in Imp Rejuv can't overwrite it, right?

correct

it's just not worth it mana-wise to cast Regrowth-Swiftmend..

unless you say, swiftmended 20 seconds into it!

Cobra13e
05-23-2006, 09:42 AM
Rejuvenation is Instant Cast - can keep running the flag (or whatever), let it tick down to 1 sec left and Swiftmend (Instance Cast burst heal), Travel form - CYA!

*Edited* - TY gwmort

gwmort
05-23-2006, 02:31 PM
Regrowth is Instant Cast - can keep running the flag (or whatever), let it tick down to 1 sec left and Swiftmend (Instance Cast burst heal), Travel form - CYA!

You mean rejuv is instant-cast.

Wulfgor
05-23-2006, 05:48 PM
Rius, can you post that 24/0/27 build your talking about please? I am interested in seeing the best efficiency crit/heal

thanks

Rius
05-24-2006, 09:53 AM
It's not my idea, actually, but why not?

The basic idea is to combine Tranquil Spirit 5/5 (-10% mana cost on HT) with Moonglow 3/3 (-9% mana cost on HT) for a mighty -19% mana cost on HT. You also pick up Nature's Grace (very useful for a single point) and whatever else you can grab in Resto.

Apart from Nature's Grace, Moonglow, Imp Healing Touch, Nature's Swiftness and Tranquility, what other talents you choose to pick up depends on your intentions. 2 points in Imp Regrowth are very useful because the crits from Regrowth works well together with Nature's Grace.

An example of a 24/0/27 raid healer build would be:
http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?0zLVsoVsZZxEcoxoM
Imp Thorns & MotW for top buffing. If you can melee a bit without risk, you can get free healing out of Omen of Clarity. Natural Shapeshifter for those moments you need to pop into bear because of aggro (don't want to waste too mana on that, right?). Imp Nature's Grasp for whenever it helps. Imp Starfire if you are called to do dps. This might not be *the* combination for everyone, it all depends on your taste.

An example of a combined PVP nuker/healer would be:
http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?0t0xbMxsZZxE0oeoM
I understand you are not that much interested in PVP, so I guess the above would be more to your taste.

I'm into PVP, so I'm getting Swiftmend. Perhaps
http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?0t0xbMxZZxE0oeq0o
Don't know yet.