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kmpirish
10-20-2006, 02:59 PM
Cower is not a kitty version of Soothe Animal, correct? Is it only used to reduce your threat in battle if you get aggro (and thus only truly useful in a group PvE situation)?

Thanks!

Foresthawk on Dalaran

Falloraan
10-20-2006, 04:20 PM
correct

bhroam
10-20-2006, 09:11 PM
Cower is the druid version of rogue's fient. It's use is useful before you gain aggro.

Aggro maintaince abilities are 99.99% PvE. The only aggro ability which can be used in PvP is growl and against hunter's pets. If you can grab aggro for 2s from a clothy (I didn't say it was THAT useful see .01% =)

kmpirish
10-21-2006, 08:46 AM
Oh, I see. You can use it after the fight starts to make sure you don't get aggro OR use it if you got aggro by accident.

Thank you!

gwmort
10-22-2006, 08:54 PM
I don't believe it does anything if you use it before you actually have generated any threat.

It is also my understanding its range is very short and only effects the targetted mob.

kmpirish
10-22-2006, 09:00 PM
I don't believe it does anything if you use it before you actually have generated any threat.

It is also my understanding its range is very short and only effects the targetted mob.

That was my first thought as well, but when I was farming the twilight guys in Silithus, I would prowl up behind them, hit cower when close enough (and it is very short range, indeed) thinking that they'd be less likely to turn and attack me before I could Pounce. However, as soon as I hit Cower, they'd start attacking me :/

Flix
10-23-2006, 02:47 AM
Well yeah..cower removes your stealth.. LOL

Kromas
10-23-2006, 03:46 AM
I usually drop to cat for a quick cower when I accidentelly steal aggro from a tank (if im resto in the party) afterwards I usually shift to bear and take the punishment till said tank regains aggro or someone needs urgent healing. Cower is not a bad ability but it does have a limited range and only affects one target as far as I know.

lorath
10-23-2006, 08:59 AM
Cower is useful for high dps feral kitties. For example, I need to spam cower every single time its up to stay lower than the tanks on Vael. Blizzard reduced the threat caused by druids a patch or two ago so we can pump out more dps without worrying so much, but cower is still necessary when trying to maximize your damage and not die/wipe the raid from bad threat management.

Aedui
10-23-2006, 10:08 AM
Cower is the druid version of rogue's fient. It's use is useful before you gain aggro.


I belive that cower lowers the aggro(or rather -threat generated) while rogues feint kills all aggro (threat generated), but its the only threat reducing ability we have :)

Cower is useful for high dps feral kitties. For example, I need to spam cower every single time its up to stay lower than the tanks on Vael. Blizzard reduced the threat caused by druids a patch or two ago so we can pump out more dps without worrying so much, but cower is still necessary when trying to maximize your damage and not die/wipe the raid from bad threat management.

well put.

To answer your question, cower is only used in PvE content in a raid/group, theres no need for it when you out there soloing and questing.

Claritondeus
10-23-2006, 01:14 PM
My guildies and I had a good laugh about this the other night:

A warrior and I were riding through Silithus, when we came across a 60 horde druid. I stealthed immediatley, and the warrior charged. The druid actually Cowered before the warrior!

I just thought that was funny... either the druid had a sense of humor (unlikely) or he was an ubernoob and thought that Cower would do anything against said warrior.

If you don't have it, and are raiding, download KTM Threat Meter. KTM is a HUGE help, and you can tell exactly when to use cower so as not to jump to the top of the aggro list.

And yeah, Cower is a single target threat reduction, as opposed to a Priests Fade, which is an AoE, or multi-target threat reduction.

Someone here once called Cower a 'ghetto-fade'. Funny. Healing aggro?! "**** Catform Cower quick! "

Flix
10-23-2006, 05:22 PM
Btw as someone stated above, yes, in a patch or two ago all druids in cat form now generate 20% less threat from everything they do whilst in cat form. It's a passive thing, and affects kitties of all levels and specs. Or so the patch notes claimed.

Zack
10-24-2006, 10:32 AM
It's definitely a lot easier to dps in raids after the threat reduction we got, yeah. ...and it's 29%, not 20% (rogues also got upped to 29% when we got ours, but warriors are still at 20% unless they're in def stance.

There's a pretty big difference between priest fade and cat cower though -- fade is only temporary, while cower is permanent. If you cower, you reduce your threat towards that target until it's dead or the fight is over. If you fade, you only reduce it for the duration of the fade spell (unless combat ends first, ofc).

Currently, going cat and cowering isn't very useful if you get healing aggro. It's expensive (especially if you haven't got natural shapeshifter), and you only reduce your threat by 426 (should be 600, but the feint effect also gets the -29% modifier :-/ ), which is the same as healing 852 hp (a bit more if you've got subtlety). If a cower gets the mob off you, you'll probably have it back with the next heal, unless a tank grabs it properly.

Canidbeast
10-24-2006, 04:33 PM
Cower, can't that still be missed, blocked, dodged and parried though?

Claritondeus
10-24-2006, 06:43 PM
Because it is not an attack, it cannot miss, be blocked, dodged or parried. It may be able to be resisted I think, though I'm not sure.

Aedui
10-25-2006, 09:13 AM
It may be able to be resisted I think, though I'm not sure.

yes, it can

Zack
10-25-2006, 10:44 AM
On the contrary. I did a search through my combat log, and found the following:

Your Cower is parried by Ebonroc.
Your Cower was dodged by Ebonroc.
Your Cower missed Ebonroc.

Some friends of mine tell me it can be blocked as well, but not resisted.

kmpirish
10-25-2006, 01:02 PM
I experimented with cower when farming Ghost Mushrooms. I would Prowl up on the Jade Oozes and hit Cower. The first thing Cower does is put you in combat with your target. Then you break stealth, etc.

I wish the tool tip was more clear here - I definately got the impression that Cower was a bit more like Soothe Animal...oh well.

Aedui
10-25-2006, 01:32 PM
On the contrary. I did a search through my combat log, and found the following:

Your Cower is parried by Ebonroc.
Your Cower was dodged by Ebonroc.
Your Cower missed Ebonroc.

Some friends of mine tell me it can be blocked as well, but not resisted.

hmm.. strange, I could have sworn that it was resisted the other day against Moam. Gonna have a go at it and see what happends. will be back on the issue.

lorath
10-25-2006, 01:37 PM
lol @ using cower in stealth against a mob