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tlbj6142
04-21-2008, 09:26 AM
I'm trying to figure out what pieces of my tanking kit (See sig) I should upgrade first. We are starting Kara this Tuesday, so expect I'll have Kara drops coming in over the next month or so. What slots (that don't drop in Kara) should I work on upgrading? You can mention badge items, but unless something changes soon, I don't expect to have too many badges rollin' in. I only need a couple more to get my Idol of Terror.

So, what craftable (or rep rewards) pieces should I start looking into?

Right now I'm going to start grinding the mats for the Belt of Natural Power (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30042), assuming I can find someone on the server that can craft the item.

NOTE: For some reason the Armory incorrectly lists my health. In game (in Bear form), I only have 14.7K health. Not 16.8K. I still can't figure out what is going on with that...

Aral
04-21-2008, 09:03 PM
You could get that new tanking trinket from magisters terrace heroic, it is really imba.

tlbj6142
04-22-2008, 09:32 AM
I think I'm going to have the Belt of Natural Power made. I found someone that can do it on my server. From what I read, it is the best tanking belt in the game. Grinding the primals is easy work. And I have the money to buy 2 Nether Vortex. Though last night I couldn't find one on the AH. Over the weekend there were 6+. Weird.

Looks like I forgot to log out in my tanking gear again. I need to make that a habit.

Wyldthang
04-22-2008, 03:10 PM
Deleted- realized you weren't a LW.

Claritondeus
04-22-2008, 08:07 PM
* I cant see armory, not sure if you already have this*

Not a craftable / rep thing, but see if you can get your hands on a Badge of Tenacity and the Argussian Compass (to be replaced by the Heroic MgT trinket if / when you get that)

Once you start running Kara, you'll be swimming in badges. Each boss (after attunemen) drops 2 badges.

tlbj6142
04-22-2008, 08:31 PM
Badge of TenacityGot that for a steal, 400g, over a month ago.and the Argussian CompassNever heard of that one. Guess I need to look it up.

Claritondeus
04-23-2008, 01:25 PM
The compass is from H UB. +36sta and has a Use: Reduces damage from each attack by 68, up to a total of 1150 damage absorbed. Lasts 20 sec. 2 min CD

Not the best trinket by far. I'm sure there are better, but that one's decent for mitigation if you don't have your Pocketwatch from Moroes yet.

tlbj6142
04-23-2008, 04:00 PM
Funny. I just looked and I have that trinket in the bank (got it on my first run thru hUB). I never used it because I thought another one I had was better.

I have Badge of Tenacity. So, between Charm of Alacrity (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25787) and Argussian Compass (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27770), which one would you choose? The former does not have an "equip" function but it has a better (IMO) on use function (increase dodge rating by 192 for 10s). Whereas the later has +36 sta and its use function doesn't seem all that great (reduce damage by 68 for upto 1150 total damage for 20s).

Wyldthang
04-23-2008, 04:21 PM
Compass, imo.

tlbj6142
04-23-2008, 04:31 PM
Compass, imo.Just for the +36 sta? As the use function seems sort of worthless. Right now I have a sinlge macro "/use 13 /use 14" that I mash when all hell breaks loose. I guess the 68 points of absorbed damage for 20s might help, but then so does the +sta.

Claritondeus
04-23-2008, 07:28 PM
68 dmg does seem pretty worthless, but it adds up. /shrug

Just more mitigation to help out your healers a bit that you can hit every 2 minutes.

Like I said, you will most likeley be getting the pocket watch off of Moroes (first real boss in Kara - really easy kill) which will last you a LONG time.

tlbj6142
04-23-2008, 08:10 PM
I just put on the compass, my health (in bear form) is now 15K. That looks so much more impressive than 14.6K. :)

tlbj6142
04-24-2008, 09:36 AM
I got the belt last night. Damn is it nice. I haven't decided what gems I'm going to use. I'm leaning toward purples (+agi, +sta), so I can use it to meet my metagem requirements of my Kitty helm.

I stumbled upon what has to be our server's uber Horde Druid tank. He made it for me. I often deal with his alt as he is a primo enchanter/JC (has all enchants and all but a few stones). Never knew he had a Druid main. Gave me lots of advice and gear sugguestions. We must have talked for 30-40 minutes last night. He was far friendlier than I would have expected from someone at that level of playing. Plus he actually typed out whole words. Must be an old guy like me. :)

Wyldthang
04-24-2008, 05:37 PM
Just for the +36 sta? As the use function seems sort of worthless. Right now I have a sinlge macro "/use 13 /use 14" that I mash when all hell breaks loose. I guess the 68 points of absorbed damage for 20s might help, but then so does the +sta.

Well, for the Sta and because the other trinket is absolutely worthless and a completely wasted trinket slot until activated (which only benefits you for a maximum 1/9th of the time, assuming you activate it every cooldown, which you probably wouldn't).

Even then, Moroes' Pocketwatch (which still hasn't dropped for me in over 8 months of running Kara on my druid- DAMN YOU RNG) or the Commendation of Kael'thas are much better options. Obviously you'll have to be running Kara to get the pocket watch, but the CofK is from heroic MgT which only requires a single run of regular MgT to attune for it.

Kheldar
04-25-2008, 03:59 AM
gratz tlbj.

i must look into that belt's stats and see how they are an upgrade for my Tree-Mender's Belt.

could be worth me trying to find someone who can craft it.

tlbj6142
04-25-2008, 08:20 AM
Well, for the Sta and because the other trinket is absolutely worthless and a completely wasted trinket slot until activated (which only benefits you for a maximum 1/9th of the time, assuming you activate it every cooldown, which you probably wouldn't).Good point. The only time I typically mash my trinket button is on a boss mob (after a few hits land) or if something crazy happens on a pull. I'll switch to the compass. Put the old trinket in the bank.

kalbear
05-05-2008, 03:40 PM
As stated elsewhere, the Belt of Natural Power is the best druid tanking belt in the game before sunwell. It is well worth the crafting mats.

Not a lot else for bears, honestly, unless you're a leatheworker. The alchemist trinket isn't bad but isn't that great. The Shattered Sun pendant of resolve is a good poor man's version of Brooch of Deftness, especially if you're Aldor. Earthwarden, of course.

Kheldar
05-06-2008, 01:47 PM
i never bothered with the Resolve Pendant as it was going to lose me too much def (unless i change something else) as well as the dodge.

the extra stam did not seem enough to make up for it over using the Strength of the Unnamed http://thottbot.com/i29173

kalbear
05-07-2008, 12:55 PM
The resolve trinket is an excellent tanking trinket (as is the brooch of deftness). While you do lose avoidance you gain a large chunk of stam and hit rating and expertise are excellent for bears. Try and get your defense from elsewhere; it'll allow you to swap out amulets on a per-fight basis more easily, and sometimes you want to make sure that you hit as much as humanly possible; other times you'll want max avoidance. It also allows you to use the necklace of the deep, which is better than either option on a general basis.

tlbj6142
05-07-2008, 01:14 PM
The resolve trinket is an excellent tanking trinket (as is the brooch of deftness)What is the full name of the resolve trinket? I can't find it.

tlbj6142
05-07-2008, 01:25 PM
as is the brooch of deftnessWow! Is that a nice piece. I'd give up the 21 agi on my Necklace of the Deep for 22 hit and 21 exp and 4 sta.

NotD (2*+12 sta) == 44 sta, 21 agi

BoD == 48 sta, 22 hit and 21 exp

Taiglin
05-07-2008, 02:17 PM
Given his post I think he is talking about the Shattered Sun Pendant of the Resolve (neck) which you can buy once hitting SSO exaulted.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34680

How much dodge you do end up loosing from that 21 agil though? Otherwise I can certainly see the appeal of the brooch.

kalbear
05-07-2008, 02:23 PM
Shattered Sun Pendant of Resolve (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34680).

It really depends on what you're going for. The Necklace of the Deep gemmed like that gives you about 1.5% avoidance and a bit of crit. The Brooch of Deftness gives, by itself, 4% reduction in overall missed/dodged/parried attacks. That's clearly a big boost in threat. It also avoids burst damage (via parried attacks) about twice as well as the necklace does.

Personally, I use the avoidance necks when I'm facing bosses where it really matters (things like VR or Morogrim where strings of avoidance matter most) and use the expertise where early threat matters the most and where parries need to be removed at all costs (Gruul is an example, as is the shaman in FLK or Anetheron in Hyjal). Having the ability to switch is really key here.

The brooch is also really great when you outgear the content significantly. I kind of wish I had bought the shattered sun pendant instead and saved my badges, but the brooch has its place.

kalbear
05-07-2008, 02:25 PM
Also, the Brooch is stellar for any role in which you're offtanking.

Cathbahd
06-24-2008, 02:31 PM
It also allows you to use the necklace of the deep, which is better than either option on a general basis.

Is the NotD that good? I lose both Stam & Agi with it (if I change from my OL green!).

tlbj6142
06-24-2008, 03:23 PM
Is the NotD that good? I lose both Stam & Agi with it (if I change from my OL green!).Which green? NotD has two sockets which allows you put in two +8 agi gems. Or two +12 sta gems depending on your needs. I went with two +12 sta gems.

Cathbahd
06-24-2008, 07:18 PM
Which green? NotD has two sockets which allows you put in two +8 agi gems. Or two +12 sta gems depending on your needs. I went with two +12 sta gems.

Tbh, I can't remember, and I'm behind a firewall, so no armory. I think I logged in my bear suit, tho. In any case, I'll be very happy if I can use NotD since I bought one last night! Saw the sockets, but I have no high-end gems, and the ones on AH are meh.

tlbj6142
06-25-2008, 09:14 AM
and the ones on AH are meh.Lately I have found it very difficult to find "blue" quality gems on the AH. Probably a sign that few folks are playing (general summer "stuff", college kids are out-of-school, etc.).

tlbj6142
06-25-2008, 09:26 AM
I think I logged in my bear suit, tho.Not a bad starting bear kit. The idol is worthless for tanking, you ought to have at least Idol of Wild. If not get the Idol of Terror ASAP (20 badges and great for solo kitty and pvp). Also, staff of beasts is nice DPS staff, but Braxxis (a 30g AH buy) is a better tanking staff until you can get the Earthwarden. Work on our SSO rep (its easy, free gold and sometimes badges) so you can get the exalted DPS neck (for kitty) and the tanking neck (for trash, keep the NotD for boss fights)

Maybe you logged out in your cat kit?

Here's a good Bear gear starting guide...

http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/04/15/shifting-perspectives-gearing-your-bear-tank-from-70-to-karazha/

NOTE: The use of PvE Rep PvP (http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=742) gear for hands and shoulders. This are easy to get (thru rep turns) and very cheap. Plus they give a ton of +res so you can replace the +def gems and enchants for "better" choices.

Bear enchants by slot...
http://teethandclaws.blogspot.com/2007/12/feral-tanking-enchants-by-slot.html

Until you reach 15K-16K health in bear, I gem +12 sta regardless of socket bonus and enchant +agi (or +stats). As you gear improves keep your health near 16K and start adding more +agi gems to increase your dodge.

Cathbahd
06-25-2008, 04:15 PM
The idol is worthless for tanking, you ought to have at least Idol of Wild.
I do have the quest reward idol from HP, but my gear switches slightly when I shift to caster (i.e. when hearthing).
Also, staff of beasts is nice DPS staff, but Braxxis (a 30g AH buy) is a better tanking staff until you can get the Earthwarden.
Thanks, I'll check for it on AH.
Work on our SSO rep (its easy, free gold and sometimes badges) so you can get the exalted DPS neck (for kitty) and the tanking neck (for trash, keep the NotD for boss fights)
Working on it...
I did buy some +12 Stam gems last night, and 'quipped my NotD for a run...seems like a good piece.

Thanks for the site, uhh...cites. Can't see most of them through the firewall, but will check them out at home.