View Full Forums : Good write-up on GotEM, LS, Replenish


tlbj6142
01-06-2009, 10:57 AM
Any/all resto should read her blog daily, but just in case you haven't been keeping up...

http://www.resto4life.com/2009/01/05/living-seed-replenish-and-gift-of-the-earthmother/

From this, I think my resto build will be something like this 17/0/54 build (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0VGcuZZf0IubugiuV0st)

Slaide
01-06-2009, 11:43 AM
Why brambles? You've got nature's grace and imp regrowth already at that point wouldn't Living Seed be more worthwhile? Unless you find that you don't use regrowth that often

Raging Epistaxis
01-06-2009, 11:59 AM
That's the build I've been using, with the Brambles->Living Seed swap. I find I've been casting Regrowth quite a bit lately, and Living Seed does account for about 3% of my heals according to latest WWSes.

tlbj6142
01-06-2009, 12:50 PM
From reading Phae's write-up (and the follow-up comments), she makes it seem like LS isn't all that great except on certain fights as the LS is all too often wasted because some other healer topped off the player before it bloomed.

But for 5-mans, it might be more useful. I haven't officially re-spec'd yet. As we are short tanks for 5-mans, but woefully short healers for raids. Dual-specs can't come soon enough for me.


What are your 3 major glyphs?

Raging Epistaxis
01-07-2009, 10:59 AM
Rejuv, Regrowth and Swiftmend.

Solarflash
01-07-2009, 11:21 AM
I like to go with Rejuv, Swiftmend, Innervate.

I Rarely have mana problems, but our priests tend to go OOM more frequently. I like to innervate them and have full regen (800ish) while casting for myself.

tlbj6142
01-07-2009, 01:18 PM
So, no one likes the lifebloom glyph? I guess the other 3 (rejuv, swiftmend and regrowth) are far superior than the LB glyph so it is not worth giving up one of the other 3 to try the LB gylph.

For bears there is only one must have glyph (Maul), the rest of them are just sort of nice. And really you could live without the Maul glyph. But, for trees they seem to be almost required.

Solarflash
01-07-2009, 03:07 PM
... But, for trees they seem to be almost required.

I heal in my boomkin glyph's all the time! Not because of the cost, but because I simply forget to reglyph.

The only one I normally miss is "Swiftmend". You have to stop using the swiftmend at a whim and use it more as an "Oh Shizz..." button without the glyph.

I would agree, Maul is hands down the single most important bear glyph...I would go as far as saying its the most important Druid glyph. You simply can't account for the uber threat/DPS it generates!

Slaide
01-08-2009, 12:16 PM
i usually just leave my balance glyphs in i don't bother to change them out, it hasn't impacted my healing in a way i notice. Mostly i am trying to convince my guild to let me raid as a Boomy, partially my fault i guess for consistently out performing every other healer in the raid by at least 10-15%.

Solarflash
01-08-2009, 12:32 PM
lol, Slaide, I think we are the same char on different servers. I have been begging to run as boomkin too.

There is only one other person in guild that can out DPS my boomkin, but unfortunatley, I am the Main Tank, and our third tank, happens to be the same person as our main healer. So if I go boomkin, we have to go deep on the bench to fill the tank spot. All though, with the crit buff and the removal of one of our 1500-DPS melee classes (sore subject), I think we would see a noticable difference in our raid DPS.

Slaide
01-08-2009, 12:50 PM
I know the feeling, i watch the DPS meters in some of our 10-man Naxx runs and i'm like; "dear lord i could do so much better" i'm pulling 2300-2500 dps in 5-mans, the one 25 man i ran was Sartharion this weekend and i came out 5th overall hitting about 3-3.2k dps, i just wanna throttle my GM sometimes. We run about 3 healers usually in our 10-man runs (a subject which i have reservations) last night i did 45% of the healing, i feel almost embarassed when they post the numbers and our Holy priest is at 32-35% and our Holy pally is like 15-17%, we really should only be running two healers...(me not being one of them)

tlbj6142
01-08-2009, 01:03 PM
What sort of numbers (mana size, MP5 [in combat], +heal and crit) should I have if I going to be a #1 or #2 healer in a 10-man Naxx run? Assume we only have 2 healers.

What if I'm healer number 5-6 in a 25-man run?

Slaide
01-08-2009, 01:15 PM
What sort of numbers (mana size, MP5 [in combat], +heal and crit) should I have if I going to be a #1 or #2 healer in a 10-man Naxx run? Assume we only have 2 healers.

What if I'm healer number 5-6 in a 25-man run?

I think i have above 1700spellpower (in treeform) maybe MAYBE 250 mp5 in combat (unbuffed) my mana pool is something like 14-16K (depending on buffs). Having a replenishment makes a huge difference as well as having Runic Mana potions (more specifically in 10 man runs), you can get away without these things but they help alot in terms of mana consumption. 25 mans are actually alot easier on healers especially (not only are there more of us) but theres alot more buffs and you've almost always got a replenishment (maybe even two depending), I find it near impossible as a healer to run out of mana in a 25 man.

Solarflash
01-08-2009, 01:20 PM
Honestly Tlb, you hitting #1 is more about cast choice than gear. I was #1 in 10 & 25 mans back when I was sitting at about 1400 SP, with 200 MP5 (while casting). 15k+MP is good...but I can't remember where I was sitting when I started. Crit is negligible, all your crit comes from talents. I think most Resto's read about 10%-20% on their tooltip.

Now I am at ~1950 SP, and 350-400 MP5 (raid buffed). Obviously I still topped most meters. But Druids, who HoT the tanks, and then WG/Rejv any splash damage will stomp the heal meter unless you have a holy priest running around spamming Holy Nova. (in which case you need to have a serious conversation about mana efficiency! :P)

Check Wowwiki.com (sorry can't link it atm) for a resto build that takes you deep enough into Balance that you get the int --> MP5 talent + Intensity = unlimited mana! Ride that sweet wave while you can, cause Blizzard is bound to nerf the junk out of that soon.

tlbj6142
01-08-2009, 01:20 PM
I haven't re-spec'd in some time, but I have had 2-3 significant upgrades to my healing kit since the last time I checked my ToL numbers. So, I have to guess my +healing in ToL has to be very near 1700 (my Feral +heal in my healing kit is ~1580 and IIRC I got almost 200 +heal when I re-spec'd ToL the last time). My in combat MP5 was 225 prior to those upgrades, so I would think it has improved some as well.

tlbj6142
01-08-2009, 01:22 PM
Honestly Tlb, you can hitting #1 is more about cast choice than gear.I wasn't talking about being #1 in healing, but being one of two healers in a 10-man. Versus being the #3 healer in a 10-man. I guess my wording was a bit confusing.

Solarflash
01-08-2009, 01:28 PM
Also, if you ever need to farm honor, Resto+WG FTW, just go into a wintergrasp raid, and spam WG on every group! Got almost 6k honor a few days ago, from one Wintergrasp encounter!

Solarflash
01-08-2009, 01:29 PM
I wasn't talking about being #1 in healing, but being one of two healers in a 10-man. Versus being the #3 healer in a 10-man. I guess my wording was a bit confusing.


Lol, that makes more sense! I was gonna have to give you the ol'raid leader speech...."Don't worry about being #1 on the meter, just get the job done!"

1700 SP
300+ MP5 (IC)
You'll be fine.

tlbj6142
01-08-2009, 01:35 PM
1700 SP
300+ MP5 (IC)
You'll be fine.Thanks. I like to know what what I need so if we (I) fail, I can't blame my gear/spec, just my mouse and 3 thumbs. And maybe an addon. :smile:

Solarflash
01-08-2009, 01:39 PM
And maybe an addon. :smile:


Keep an eye on Healbot! Its required me to re-type each modification I make to heals each time I respec! Not sure if that is just me or not, but always fun to need WG and be clicking away with nothing happening!

Dead DPSer: "What the H happened there?"

Solarflash: "I don't know (insert DPSer)? You must have just taken too much damage! Manage your aggro, jeeze!" :whistle:

Zute
01-11-2009, 11:49 AM
I know the feeling, i watch the DPS meters in some of our 10-man Naxx runs and i'm like; "dear lord i could do so much better" i'm pulling 2300-2500 dps in 5-mans, the one 25 man i ran was Sartharion this weekend and i came out 5th overall hitting about 3-3.2k dps, i just wanna throttle my GM sometimes. We run about 3 healers usually in our 10-man runs (a subject which i have reservations) last night i did 45% of the healing, i feel almost embarassed when they post the numbers and our Holy priest is at 32-35% and our Holy pally is like 15-17%, we really should only be running two healers...(me not being one of them)
I'm also seeing our druids vastly outheal (on a healing meter) every other healing class, even shamans on Chain Heal duty. I end up wondering if we have a batch of really bad healers or whether we're just the awesome now. I end up at doing 45% of the healing, the next highest is in the 20-30's% and down from there.

Oiysters
01-11-2009, 07:35 PM
They could be bad, or they could just be not casting as often because you beat them to it. Check overheal meters and number of casts. If their overhealing is 20% or less, they're just letting you do the work. Of course, that may still mean they are bad lol.

Slaide
01-13-2009, 12:39 PM
I'm also seeing our druids vastly outheal (on a healing meter) every other healing class, even shamans on Chain Heal duty. I end up wondering if we have a batch of really bad healers or whether we're just the awesome now. I end up at doing 45% of the healing, the next highest is in the 20-30's% and down from there.

I know how you feel, last night running 3 healers in a nAxx 10 man i did 51% of the healing over-all. At that point i jsut assume that it's a latency issue or maybe they just aren't using the same mods i am, i dunno. This stuff solidifies my GM's opinion that i should just always heal. I also think it has alot to do with our proactive approach to healing (preventing the bar from moving rather then reacting after the fact), we just don't give other healers enough time to avoid overhealing.

Solarflash
01-13-2009, 01:29 PM
I... I also think it has alot to do with our proactive approach to healing (preventing the bar from moving rather then reacting after the fact), we just don't give other healers enough time to avoid overhealing.

Absolutley! When druids are MT healing, there generally isn't anywhere for another healer to squeeze in a heal! A full set of HoTs rolling heals somewhere in the 4k-7k per sec. Obviously this means we are overhealing a lot too, but its much less stressfull for the tank to be overhealed constantly and then not have to hover over his "Oh Shoot" button. (I know, I do it too much)

When I am tanking I will take a druid healer over any other just about everytime. I know the math works out to Pallies being better healers for MT (and they are good), but theres somthing comforting about knowing that have you 8-15 seconds of heals still coming if the healer is stunned, killed, or otherwise preoccupied!

Zute
01-14-2009, 10:44 AM
They could be bad, or they could just be not casting as often because you beat them to it. Check overheal meters and number of casts. If their overhealing is 20% or less, they're just letting you do the work. Of course, that may still mean they are bad lol.
I think part of it may be style. I go for preemptive healing. My raid bars light up every time someone is targeted so I cast a heal before I see them even take any damage. I see other people waiting a lot longer to heal. For instance, just because I don't see the MT is down much in health, doesn't mean I don't have a heal casting that I can break-off if unneeded (presuming it's regrowth).

I noticed with our shammy was healing the MT he'd wait until the MT had taken more damage than I would have waited for.

From one raid (all bosses we did) I did 40% of the healing, 17% overheal. Priest did 30%/38%. Shaman did 18%/43%.

Maybe I am working too hard. :p

Then again, maybe WG is too good and we're cutting into Shaman territory too much. I don't really cast it though when I'm MT healing, unless I absolutely have to.

Oiysters
01-14-2009, 12:56 PM
Sounds like you guys might be ready to start running with only 2 healers.:grin:

Zute
01-16-2009, 05:06 PM
I think part of the difference might also be people's interfaces. Some are using some pretty rudimentary things that don't show aggro or threat.

Although that shaman is using Grid, maybe he's got a poor configuration.