There are local RL Friends on a server that are in a raid guild. I'd like to find a casual guild that raids that is just that- a friendly guild that raids from time to time w/o a boatload of pressure.

Raging, that sounds like exactly what I'd be looking for in a raid, alas, I'm unable to transfer servers. I don't want to leave my husband behind. He and I had talked about starting our own guild, since there doesn't seem to be a guild on server that aligns with what we, personally, would be looking for in a guild. Our current GM seems to think that creating a friendly guild that raids on occasion would be a recipe for great frustration and more than likely, failure. So, for now, we'll hang out with AoW and see where the future takes us.

i ahve to agree that it would be a lot of hard work to setup and run a guild that raids casually.

best to get to know some people and find a suitable guild imho

I think I like to "waste time" too much to join a respectable guild. I rather enjoy farming and heroics. I know I'm missing out on a lot of cool fights, but I'm not sure I mind that much. With the badge changes coming, I'll be able to very easily upgrade my gear without running the super hard raids. That, to me, seems somewhat sad. Getting the gear without all the raiding...ah well. Such is life with Blizz, right?

Let's say you had a level 34 Shadow Priest and you're now looking for a "grove" to learn more about that class. Recommendations?

Priests' Hav... oh, wait.

Maybe shadowpriest.com (http://www.shadowpriest.com/)? I haven't used that site, but have heard it mentioned before.

Its not sad Des, it simply allows people with RL to acquire better gear and it will help more guilds acquire gear faster (ie the more casual ones) so they can progress more easily.

atm on our server there are so few guilds doing Uldaur 25...maybe 3 i think of....

smaller / more casual guilds find it takes them so long to get people better geared to help with progress....then people leae to a bigger one that is getting loot so the smaller/more casual guild is knocked back again.....

this is a cracking move by Blizz to get more people actually seeing some of the end game content whilst they are at least at the right lvl....ie 80 and not as has happened so much since Wrath where everyone is going to raid MH/BT/Sunwell etc for the first time as a grp of 80's far outgearing the content.

Blizz need more people/guilds etc to be able to get a good chance of progressing to endgame content without having to be a sad no lifer who is on wow 40 hrs a week etc !

I'll try there Yrys. Sounds like the perfect website lol

And Khel, I agree. I understand why they're doing it, I guess. I think it's just a little sad that folks are always in for the bigger, better deal. If anything could kill a person's faith in humanity- it's World of Warcraft.

*I tried shadowpriest.com but get an error when trying to register. Will keep digging for info =)

Its not sad Des, it simply allows people with RL to acquire better gear and it will help more guilds acquire gear faster (ie the more casual ones) so they can progress more easily. [............]

smaller / more casual guilds find it takes them so long to get people better geared to help with progress....then people leae to a bigger one that is getting loot so the smaller/more casual guild is knocked back again.....

this is a cracking move by Blizz to get more people actually seeing some of the end game content whilst they are at least at the right lvl....ie 80 and not as has happened so much since Wrath where everyone is going to raid MH/BT/Sunwell etc for the first time as a grp of 80's far outgearing the content.


I completely agree that the change will benefit the smaller casual guild by leaps and bounds. Unfortunate side effect to making it "Accessible" for one group of people, makes it "Unchallenging/Boring" for another.

I typically fall somwhere in the middle of these two groups. I think Ulduar is hard, certainly possible, but hard. I think Ulduar was designed well, to allow the very casual to see it (parts of it) but not making it a /faceroll for the more serious guilds/players. I badly want to kill Yogg, but I would have been supremely disappointed if half the server was able to do it.

At the end of the day, WoW is a business....and a very successful one at that. They are the "Walmart" of MMORPGs. They are going to do what makes the most clients happy for the longest time. If that means making a small portion of the population unhappy, then so be it.

I don't like the idea that folks can get T8.5 gear from T6.5 level content. Yes it will take lots of runs, but it devalues the process of raiding as a whole as well as it's rewards. Raiding is hard (not just pushing the right buttons) but socially its alot of effort. Naxx is now the new Kara, where players will go and stomp it in 2+ hours for a pile of badges rather than learning the Keeper's in Ulduar.

Solar, I have to agree, and that's more what I meant by it being "sad". While it's great for folks like myself and Khel to be able to get better gear to do more stuff...I agree that it devalues the entire process.

That's why I feel the way I feel about the changes in mounts/riding skills that they're making. I would have been happy enough waiting to earn my mount and riding skill. Then they lowered it to 30. -_- And soon? Level 20's will be able to ride mounts. That's dropped 20 levels since I started playing a year ago...it's kind of sad...

While I realize that folks don't want to "waste time" leveling alts, I think these level requirement changes sort of "take away" from the game...ESPECIALLY for druids! You no longer "have" to complete quest chains to get your various forms, and to me, that just takes away from druiding. I did the swift flight quest chain (have yet to turn in the final part, but that's because I'm too lazy to go back to Zangarmarsh).

I understand "why" they do it, but I don't know that I necessarily agree with it all. Yes, better gear is nice...yes, getting mounts earlier is nice...but to take away the need to work for things? Not sure I can really agree with this.

It's like a parent with a spoiled child. When you give the child everything it wants, every time it whines or cries- then the child learns that this is the easiest way to get what it wants. The spoiled child doesn't learn to value or appreciate anything and ultimately, it creates a cycle.

If and when Blizz decides to break this cycle...it's going to cause temper tantrums the likes of which we'd never imagined. Of course, that's an exaggeration, but trying to illustrate a point here.

Stomp our feet, get better gear. Whine and cry...get mounts/flight earlier. Win?

I sort of feel...well, dirty...over the whole thing. I can't think of a better way to describe it...lol.

Khel and I are in the same boat. We can't commit the time to raids to earn better gear. I think to some degree, we were both okay with it...yes, it will be nice to have sexy gear. No, I don't personally feel like I "deserve" it.

It seems like they're doing the same thing in WotLK as they did in BC. It's sort of bittersweet to me. Yes, I'm excited about the possibility of better gear. I just don't like how it's being "handed out" like it is. =(

But that's just my .02

While some of Blizzard's changes have been... interesting, personally I see it the other way. Other than organization, I don't believe there's really anything more challenging about raids than single group encounters (and this is from someone who raided 5 nights a week for almost two years). I would be happy to see it if raiding were simply an "option", with equivalent loot to single group heroic dungeons. I think 10 man raids are a decent step in that direction, but I really don't agree with MMOs that make raids the pinnacle of the endgame. Make raid gear different, sure, but not better.

But hey... that's just my weird opinion. :P

I completely agree that the change will benefit the smaller casual guild by leaps and bounds. Unfortunate side effect to making it "Accessible" for one group of people, makes it "Unchallenging/Boring" for another.
I have to disagree here Solar. I dont see how it makes it unchallenging or boring.....it may speed up the process for killing bosses but it does not make unchallenging surely....

I do feel the real naysayers are those who raid a lot and feel the rest of us who dont raid much or cant raid are second class citizens.


That's why I feel the way I feel about the changes in mounts/riding skills that they're making. I would have been happy enough waiting to earn my mount and riding skill. Then they lowered it to 30. -_- And soon? Level 20's will be able to ride mounts. That's dropped 20 levels since I started playing a year ago...it's kind of sad...

its been happening for yrs Des.....the game is soo different to what is was on Day 1 when i joined WoW.

Perhaps to start with it was to hard ? perhaps they set to high a difficulty threshold.

Its become class of its in the genre of online games due to its success and size and has no doubt re-written the rulebook !

In the old days levelling was seen as a social exercise for people to learn the game, learn their class, get to know people, run 5 mans to learn how to play together, form guilds etc

For the past 2 if not 3 yrs levelling has become the boredom you have to go through to get another high level that you want to try out raiding...to help your guild or cos you are bored of your 'main'.

So making levelling easier through heirloom items for more xp, lowering the mount level requirement.....how boring must it be trying to level an alt for some reason to have to run around Azeroth again ?

Even with all of the help i'm someone who can't face the level grind - hence my 2nd highest char in 4+ yrs of play is a 58 mage whose not gained XP in a yr ? if not more.

Its progress.


I understand "why" they do it, but I don't know that I necessarily agree with it all. Yes, better gear is nice...yes, getting mounts earlier is nice...but to take away the need to work for things? Not sure I can really agree with this.

You still have to work for things.....its simply making a wider variety of loot available to more people more quickly.


I sort of feel...well, dirty...over the whole thing. I can't think of a better way to describe it...lol.

I dont ! i put in my time to the game same as anyone else, so if there are some nice new ways for me to get additional / greater variety of loot then i'm all for it. :elfgrin:


Khel and I are in the same boat. We can't commit the time to raids to earn better gear. I think to some degree, we were both okay with it...yes, it will be nice to have sexy gear. No, I don't personally feel like I "deserve" it.

I pays my money, so i deserve to get upgrades and new shinies the same as anyone else imho.


It seems like they're doing the same thing in WotLK as they did in BC. It's sort of bittersweet to me. Yes, I'm excited about the possibility of better gear. I just don't like how it's being "handed out" like it is. =(

But that's just my .02

As i said above....they have been doing stuff like this ever since the game was released....tweaks and more tweaks.


While some of Blizzard's changes have been... interesting, personally I see it the other way. Other than organization, I don't believe there's really anything more challenging about raids than single group encounters (and this is from someone who raided 5 nights a week for almost two years). I would be happy to see it if raiding were simply an "option", with equivalent loot to single group heroic dungeons. I think 10 man raids are a decent step in that direction, but I really don't agree with MMOs that make raids the pinnacle of the endgame. Make raid gear different, sure, but not better.

But hey... that's just my weird opinion. :P

Interesting view Yrys...i also raided in the old days in what i term 'proper' 40 mans. Even then i did no more than 3 per week. so to me, they've already majorly dumbed down the endgame.

But it was also a time when there were not dailies and making money i believe was much much harder. So buying pots etc for someone with a single char and 2 profs was not easy.

To a degree Blizz agree with you, hence why they are trying to make endgame content available to a lot more of the games population. They did not design it to only allow the 10% elitist to see it !

I dont mind there being better gear and unique items that drop from tough end game raid bosses, but i want more to work for at my level......

Last night i got my 500th Emblem of Heroism....by that i mean i have 500 currenlty in my currency tab. i've obviously looted a lot more !

This is because there is nothing for me to get with them.....the loot is poor quality versus what is on the AH in many cases....or its barely an upgrade over the items i already have.

Even the choice to trade them in for higher level badges would be nice....3 for 1 trade in ?

All i am doing atm is running them cos i enjoy spending time playing the game with people i know when i have the time. Its my relaxation and i enjoy it. I am not getting any better loot from them to improve my character and have not for several months.

For loot i am simply checking the AH for Uldaur BOE's - and to see when runed orbs are finally a reasonable price not the 1000g each they are now !


I love these badge changes.....it has brought out so many of the elitist who wish to look down on the rest of us.

The logic is flawed, imho.

These folks don't raid because of time/RL constraints.
Let's give them gear worthy of "hard" raid content.

...

So...what happens? They're all dressed up and still have no place to go? Their gear then overpowers the 5 man instances they do run...and wouldn't that trivialize the encounters?

The plus side to this change: Folks who are able to start raiding later on won't have to play catch up as long. That's a good thing for me and so many other casual players out there.

But I can see how it's sort of a slap in the face to the folks who have been raiding from the beginning and upgraded their gear step by step, the hard way.

I imagine it will also make it a little easier to get alts geared more quickly to help out with current raid progression for those folks in raid guilds...I don't know.

*Edited because I don't know what I think about this right now. =\

And Yrys, I think I agree with you to some degree. But if you're able/willing to put in the time to do these raids...do you not deserve something slightly above the average Joe? I'm conflicted about this move still.

I thought they were trying to get "away" from the OP badge gear because of what happened in BC?

no it means that those people who cant raid often are able to work up towards good gear a bit mroe quickly and then when they can raid they have the gear to make a good crack at the content.

it also should help smaller guilds make some progress in a more reasonable timescale and hopefully will mean they can hold onto some people who would otherwise look to leave due to slow progress.

it might even allow me to help out a guild/people i know if they find themselves ever short of a player knowing i can come into their raid and not be a total waste of space !

5 mans are trivialised now with a good grp. last nite we had a good grp and ran 2 heroics back to back in 60 mins. We did UK then raced off to Drak and we started the fight against Tharon'Ja with 2 mins left showing on my GotW. My dps was about 2.1k i was the lowest of the 3 of us !

Its not a slap in the face - they know they did it the 'hard' or maybe the 'no life' way :biggrinfl Those people are able to walk around head held high knowing that they managed to kill xyz boss without nerfs, without everyone in ilvl abc gear and have the achievement etc to show for it. They can be happy that they are the elite of wow and can proclaim it to all and sundry, esp us lesser mortals.

Well roll on 3.2. It will help me a lot with a new 5 man and new badge opportunities to acquire some new shinies.

I like shinies too.

But to be difficult, maybe I'm upset that I didn't get to do it the hard way...

Kidding.

I don't know if I actually have a real opinion anymore. My mind has been on SO many other things.

It will be HOT when I finally get my priest to 80 and I don't have to grind raids for 6 months to get her decently geared.

it might even allow me to help out a guild/people i know if they find themselves ever short of a player knowing i can come into their raid and not be a total waste of space !

The difference in my mages ulduar gear and completley naked amounts to about 2k DPS. Now there are a lot of other factors, such as sustainability and survivability that aren't being looked at here, but my point is the i200 to i219+ will make a very small difference in your performance.

We may not want to admit it, but the thing that makes your "Elitist" / "No Lifers"...whatever term you want to use, out perform those who don't regularily raid is simple, undiniable experience & practice.

Are all raiders better than non-raiders????...no, not even close. That theory is as crazy as your thought that people can't have lives outside of WoW and still raid. Both are narrow minded at best.

Heroics are already pointless to 50+% of the WoW population. I have likely looted ~800+ BoH's if combining all my toons. Giving Raid quality loot for completing heroics is just going to re-create the TBC T6 Equiv situation. (Those who don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them)

I 100% agree that a trade up ratio would make much more sense than just dropping the same badges everywhere.


While some of Blizzard's changes have been... interesting, personally I see it the other way. Other than organization, I don't believe there's really anything more challenging about raids than single group encounters (and this is from someone who raided 5 nights a week for almost two years).
huh??? There isn't much 5 man content I can't clear with 2-3 people atm, how is that less challenging than say Ignis (fill in your favorite Ulduar easy boss)...the "loot pinata" of Ulduar? Is there any 5 man content bosses that have more than 2 phases? (I am sure there is one or two) Even Flame Leviathon, is more complicated than any 5man boss. He may be easier to kill, because you are allowed to bring more friends, but the encounter itself beats the pants off heroic bosses.

huh??? There isn't much 5 man content I can't clear with 2-3 people atm, how is that less challenging than say Ignis (fill in your favorite Ulduar easy boss)...the "loot pinata" of Ulduar? Is there any 5 man content bosses that have more than 2 phases? (I am sure there is one or two) Even Flame Leviathon, is more complicated than any 5man boss. He may be easier to kill, because you are allowed to bring more friends, but the encounter itself beats the pants off heroic bosses.
Maybe I was too vague on my wording. I meant that they can design 5 man encounters to be just as challenging as raids if they want to. I understand the path they've gone with it, I just don't agree with it. :P

Maybe I was too vague on my wording. I meant that they can design 5 man encounters to be just as challenging as raids if they want to. I understand the path they've gone with it, I just don't agree with it. :P


That makes a lot more sense! :)

I would go as far as saying they could design 5 man to be harder than 25 man. I would still argue that 10 man is harder than 25 man (if you exclude the organization). Most 10 mans get farther than 25 mans, not because the content is easier, but because they bring a higher level of skill per person. Its pretty rare for guilds to have 25 mans made up of all toons that are also regularily running 10 mans. Then you end up as Khel was suggesting and only having your "no lifers" in Heroic raid content.

Currently, at least for our 25 man team, the gear/skill level per player is considerably lower in our 25 mans than in our 10's.

Do you guys believe there is a "perfect balance" between the casual folks who need the game dumbed down and the hardcore folks who prefer the challenge and the grinds?

I think that's what their aim is, and I think it's something they won't ever be able to achieve, unfortunately. The game is in a constant state of flux and, to some degree, it's frustrating for some of us. I guess I'm just not a fan of this tendency toward over-simplification of the game as a whole. Nerfing classX so Susie-Homemaker doesn't feel "left out" on her class that maybe doesn't heal/dps/tank as well as Joe-Johnson's class...Or Nerfing Raid-A because it's toooooo harrrrrrrd.....

They..."could" go in the opposite direction, and rather than nerfing...they could just buff up the weaker classes...no one complains about buffs, but we ALL complain about nerfs. Then in the end, everyone's OP- the game is easy and we all feel like we've entered God-Mode.

No?

Just poking a little fun at the whole situation. I've given up on this entire thing. I'm going to go back to ignoring patch notes and avoiding all patch note talks like the plague...and planning my retirement from the game. =)

But first...I want my traveler's mammoth...only a bajillion more gold to go =)

Not to totally derail this thread, but I didn't want to create another just for this...

My mom, in all her adorable noobishness, hit level 80 last night on her death knight! (Of course, I dragged her through her first heroic immediately!)

So, :cheers: Cheers to my mom on getting there! An amazingly sweet guy from another guild that I often run with, helped her pick up a better spec to put out more DPS so that our heroic fun is easier.

And because she's my mom, incredibly sentimental and overly emotional, I guess she got all teary-eyed when she hit 80 because she never thought she could do it. Isn't she too cute? I should go to her house tonight with Confetti...and just mess up her house in celebration! :devil-lau

Grats Momma-Des!!!!

I made a blog entry just for her. I like to make a big deal outta this kind of stuff for her for two reasons: 1) it means a lot to her and 2) I think it embarrasses her a little.

Seems like two good reasons to me hehe

This is her very first 80, so I also thought making a big deal out of it might encourage her a little. She gets "defeated" more easily than I do! (Hard to believe, right?)

nice achievement Des Mum !

well i'm just looking forward to the patch and hope they hurry up with it.

Guys, a question for you on raid etiquette.

We had done a mass invite on our guild’s calendar for Naxx10. It wasn’t a progression run. It was more of an alt run and just to have a little fun with friends. It ended up being a drama-laden nightmare…
Invites were to go out around 9pm Friday night. 9 people accepted the invite on the calendar, only about 6 or 7 showed up.

My husband asked our GL if she wanted to bring one of her toons, and she asked to bring her friend who’s a Shadow Priest. PriestX was a former guildie, so no big deal. We filled up the group and got started. We downed two wings of Naxx10 Friday night before calling it a night.

Before the group disbanded, I advised we’d be getting together at 9pm the following night (and this was also what was listed on the guild calendar). My husband stated it again before we all logged out or left group. Should have been pretty clear to folks that we were going to continue the following night.

Saturday night comes. My husband and I were in H:AN (having a nice little wipefest on Anub…you know…cuz that’s just fun, right? ) Anyway, we were in there til just after 9pm before we gave up on the final boss to send out raid invites. We knew one of our healers was going to be a little late, so as we invited, we asked folks if they were OK waiting- everyone said yes. The healer logged in just before 10pm. Our GL- who had run with us the night before, was on her main doing Ulduar with her raid guild, and as such, wasn’t coming with us. We pugged in her spot. No one had heard from PriestX, and he wasn’t online or on vent- so we pugged his spot and got started.

Mind you, this is already one hour past the scheduled start time…

We get through part of Military…and because of a lot of downtime- it’s near 11pm. PriestX logs into vent and asks if we’re doing Naxx. My husband says yes, but that our group is full. PriestX asks him to kick one of the puggles so that he can join us again.

And here’s where the drama begins…

My husband says he doesn’t feel right about doing that because these folks already agreed to come into a run that’s halfway complete, we’ve only downed one boss and he didn’t feel right saving them to the raid like that…So PriestX goes off about how he feels like he wasted his time with us Friday night because we’re refusing to invite him and…etc etc.

Apparently he went and complained to our GL about it (who he is also very close friends with apparently).
She whispers my husband, telling him that the “right” thing to do is to boot one of the puggles to allow PriestX to come back into the raid.

My husband still refuses to do so, saying that he doesn’t think it’s right.

The GL then tells him that while we were in H:AN, she had whispered him asking if the raid was still on. He saw her whisper, but wasn’t able to answer because we were fighting/failing on the final boss. He acknowledges that he saw her whisper, explains why he wasn’t able to reply. She apparently concluded that his lack of response was because the raid was canceled, and she then told PriestX that it was canceled.

They discuss it- she, in essence, lectures my husband about it, telling him that he’s burned a bridge with PriestX…blah blah blah…and now there’s drama…

So my husband looks bad now because the GL made a wrong conclusion about something and gave out the wrong information.

I’m just trying to figure out what the “right” thing to do is…

If we said we were getting together the following night…wouldn’t you assume that the raid was on and show up at the time that invites are going out? Or at least let someone know what time you could be available for an invite?

If you had a question about whether or not the raid was still on, wouldn’t you ask the raid leader?

If you ask a raid leader if the raid is still on, but he’s in a heroic trying to tank/survive (because I was healing and I’m fail), and he doesn’t answer- is it right to jump to the conclusion that the raid is canceled, and spread wrong information?

If you got a “raid canceled” notice from someone other than the raid leader- wouldn’t you double check with the raid leader to find out if it was actually canceled?

Should we have booted a puggle for this priest?

My husband’s reputation is getting kicked around over this and I don’t see how it’s fair. The GL was the one who interpreted silence as a reply and gave out incorrect information…and my husband looks bad over it.

What SHOULD have happened here? So far, any 3rd parties that I’ve asked that weren’t involved in the raid have said they agree with my husband. I obviously agree with my husband…but I would love to know what you guys think.

Also, should I try and talk to PriestX to smooth things over?

I’m starting to really hate raiding because of all the drama involved…

(Sorry about the length...)

why was the priest an ex-guildie ?

does it work having a GM whose main is actually in another raid guild ?

tbh its far from the 'right' thing to do to kick someone whose been with you and was there at the start and has a right to expect to stay in the raid regardless of whose come online, for wotever reason.

if you are not there at the start be in your fault or events outside of your control you have to accept that you have lost your spot.

yeah i'd ask the RL for confirmation and if i could not get hold of them, another officer or GM - someone else i expected to be in the raid.

i'd hope that guildies realise what happened and are intelligent enough to realise that GM busy in Uldaur did not exactly do the best thing to help this situation.

And no i would not talk to the priest who will not want you 'interfering' as in their eyes you are ofc biased - in the same way the GM could be viewed as biased for expecting their priest friend to get a spot just like that in the middle of a progressing raid.

if your guildes know the situation hopefully they will see your husband was not wrong.

I get annoyed when people come to a heroic then up and leave in the middle to go to a sudden raid or guild heroic ! if they've not signed up for something that was planned with a start time they should not just leave us in the lurch partway through a heroic run.

The priest was with us to start the raid Friday night. He wasn't there to start the second half- and we started an hour later than we had planned the second night.

He came in during the raid expecting us to boot the puggle for him because he HAD been there to begin with.

When one of our dps left, he was offered a place to continue with us...but he refused.

I guess it's a moot point now. Because of the drama over the past week or so in the guild and with our raids - my husband has left to start his own guild. I'll be joining him soon, I imagine. It's kind of sad, because we did make a bunch of friends over the past year or so in AoW, but when you have a situation like that which leads to someone's reputation being tarnished over a misunderstanding, and the person who had jumped to the wrong conclusion not owning up to it to resolve the issue...it's very hard to respect that and continue on as if nothing had happened...

All of this has really got me thinking about joining TLB in the world of WoW retirement...

Well, its my understanding that "Common Etiquette" for priority as far as groups go would be:

1) Online ready to go at raid start (or) told RL they would be late
2) Attended (locked to same ID already)
3) Signed up using calandar (or forums or whatever)
....in that order.

#1 takes precedent over all others. If you aren't ready at regular start time (or predetermined), your spot is open. You can't expect 9+ people to wait around for you to get on. And you certainly can't walk in at any point and boot someone else from the raid. I see your raid ID as two seperate raids. One Friday night, and one Saturday night. PriestX didn't make it to raid two....PriestX loses spot fair and square to puggy.

That's how I felt about it...

If he wanted to come, he could have asked ANY of us if we were still going- or to clarify whether or not what the GL told him was right.

He didn't.

And technically, he was nothing more than a puggy himself. He wouldn't have enjoyed being booted either night for someone else to come in...he wasn't originally invited via the calendar, but we had slots to fill...

I sort of felt like the whole issue could have been avoided...and really don't feel like my husband should take the fall for the fact that the GL got it wrong. Should have owned up and admitted that she jumped to an incorrect conclusion and gave PriestX the wrong info- instead of letting my husband take the fall. It's hard to respect someone who can't own up to their own mistakes...

sad that GM did not give your husband the support needed.

ex guildie should have known better and GM should definitely know better and how to behave.

he was indeed a puggy and can u imagine the fallout if you had kicked him to let in a proper guildie which by priest and you GM standards seems acceptable ?

from my outside perspective that sort of GM behaviour would have me leaving anyway.

sad times Des but dont quit....find another guild or join your husband....although i hope he knows the level of work he's taken on by forming his own.....

Edit : u not checking out posts on your blog before publishing them now ?

I left last night on my main to join my husband's guild. I spent the night fishing, ran a quick VH because it was the daily, then healed the Loken fight for a friend since his healer DC'd and couldn't get back on...

I don't know anything about running a guild, to be honest. I don't care to. I just want to enjoy the game again, without so many hurt feelings.

My husband is a manager for work- so I'm guessing he'll do alright at this guild leader thing. I hope so anyway.

Khel, are you referring to comment moderation?

If so, I stopped that a week or so ago. I tracked down Mr. Misery who was leaving all the snide, nasty remarks and asked him to please keep it to himself or just not bother checking in- because- quite frankly, who wants to deal with nastiness?

Not I. So he said his piece and we ended it there.

I so quit.

Good for you Des, a pity to leave but with that attitude from the GM is was not going to be smooth ride imho.

Running a guild is a nitemare....or most certainly can be.

Hopefully he will although I would not say being a manager means that wrt a wow guild. Many more potential issues and the worst can be not knowing/seeing the people in the guild. If you get too big or look to organise 10 mans let alone 25 mans it will become a full time job for him !

Best advice is make sure you know upfront the goals and communicate this plus and rules/etiquette to new members. Plus get a couple of good officers (plus raid leader/s) who can take on some of the work, otherwise your husband wont get time to play - he'll always be answering guild questions !

Forums help immeasureably to as a communication tool and a place for people to ask questions/recieve answers rather than in game mails or worse../w !

I can see he will be finding a suitable job for you in this new organisation Des !

Ahha, i had not realised, guess i'd not made a post for a week or so then on the blog. Glad you were able to track him down in kitty form with track humanoids, and then claw him into submission :)

you so quit what ?

This whole ordeal has been frustrating. A lot of accusations were thrown by BOTH sides. I won't try and claim absolute innocence in it all- since I have a tendency to speak my mind...and tenacity tends to be one of my greater assets and biggest downfalls at the same time. I just don't let stuff go. My bad. But the world is still spinning, it's still just a game...life goes on.

I can't be sorry for standing up for what I thought was right. I learned a lot from all of this. I sure did...

Anywho- I was fishing last night...leveled from 404 to 425 in the matter of like...2 hours. @_@

25 more Skillpoints to go...

But I was trying to think of ways to get everyone from level 1 to level 80 more "involved" in the guild...especially when we start getting more people. Tossed around a few ideas with the few of us that were on. It was kinda fun.

We're trying to build a strong sense of "togetherness and friendship" with this guild, rather than just "existing" in the guild and having no interaction...the bonus is that I have oodles of lowbie alts. So hopefully that helps out. It's no fun to be a level 12 in a guild with a boatload of 80's. You feel left out. *knows from experience* Any suggestions?

omg 2 hrs of fishing in a game ! is there anything more soul destroying !

depends on what your goals are and how soon ? do you want to recruit low levels ? or just 80's and accept their alts ?

are you aiming for a quick start in Naax 10 ? or jumping to Uldaur with recruiting appropriate geared individuals ?

togetherness and friendship is great BUT it takes time, esp if people come to you with bad experiences of a past/previous guild...which is possibly why they have come to you in the first place !

managing expectations of a disparate group of individuals is not easy.

also decide on whether or not you want to set and age limit on new recruits.....

solo levelling to 80 thought is much eaaier now than it was when I did it originally....so you wont need to necessarily help people level as often as you may have needed to do before. no one is really interested in 1-79 - only 80 for heroics and endgame.

i mean are you going to be spending time boosting people in all the levelling instances....or at least the BC and the Wrath ones on normal ?

What ideas did you come up with ?

It's not really "my" guild. It's my husband's brainchild. I know he wants it to be a casual guild- but I'm not sure if he's aiming for casual raiding, just a companion guild, or a helper guild.

Despite many attempts to get him to take a night and help me get an idea what the guild's overall philosophy...I've yet to be successful.

Only he and I are actively recruiting. I've already had to face a personality conflict with one of our officers. It's been good times so far.

My "feeling" about what my husband wants for this guild is this:
1. To be an educational guild- gentle guidance with the guild running together so we learn together.
2. To be the type of guild that helps everyone out from level 1-80, with a sort of expectation that our highbies are helping our lowbies.
3. Eventually to become a casual guild that raids regularly.

I've worked out a Co-Op with another guild on server so that we can raid together. They seem to be similar to my husband and I, where we just want to relax, have fun.

But again, I haven't been able to get a straight answer from my husband on it. I'm a little overwhelmed, and honestly am relieved that we have a wedding to go to Saturday night. It'll give me a night away from it all to relax and have some real fun.

Right now I'm the only one working on our website and trying to get some posts up on rules for members/officers...but I don't even see the point right now, since no one seems to want to go to the damn site...punks hehehe

A conflict already and with an officer ! :(

hmmm not sure 1 and 2 are that workable these days. People tend to go at different speeds so working together unless there are a lot of you can be difficult.

I hope you can find enough people who are high and want to help the low....most just want progress. How many are you now ?

GL with the website :)

Once you get up and running people will begin to use it for asking for help - quests / professions / heroic planning etc

I think we have all of 6 accounts...maybe 7.

It's rare that there are more than 3 on at a time. It's very frustrating because I, personally, want to see more end-game content...but it doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon.

I mean, we did set up a co-op with another guild...ok...not "we"...*I* set up a co-op with another guild, but we're probably not doing anything together until next weekend if at all.

It's very hard to communicate between two guilds without some sort of link. I'm thinking maybe a global channel might help, but who knows...

It wasn't so much a battle between myself and the officer...it was more of a conduct issue...but that's a lonnnnng story and one that I'm hoping has been resolved.

I skipped to the end just to add my tuppence.

If you'd invited a PuG member in on the basis that s/he was filling in for someone and would be replaced when/if the other guy logged on then fair enough. Otherwise my personal feeling as a Raid leader, guild leader and regular pugger is that kicking a [PuG] member from a raid that they're locked to because someone turns up late is a crappy thing to do. It'll certainly get you a bad rep on our realm if you lock people to raids and then boot them out of it after a boss or two.

On my raids, the times are published well in advance, if you're 10 minutes late, I start calling up reserves unless you've told me in advance that you're going to be late and we can 9 man it or someone doesn't mind filling in for a boss or two on an alt. At the end of the day it isn't fair on the other 9+ people who turned up on time and are sat at the entrance suited and booted to raid waiting for number 10 to show up.

If we run an instance over two nights, whoever attended the first night has priority on the second.

Your (ex) GL should know better than to be suggesting to the RL that he boots members of the raid to make room for someone who didn't show up on time and, at the end of the day, both the GL and the priest imo have only got themselves to blame for making assumptions and not clarifying with the RL what the situation is.

That seems to be the same thing everyone has said...the entire thing could have been avoided by him checking with the RL to find out what was going on. And, we did say before the group disbanded that we'd be meeting again the following night at 9pm.

Either way, I think it's better for everyone on both sides that we've all parted ways and moved on. Establishing a new guild has been a lot of frustration so far, but I'm sure it will be worth it. We'll be able to set the tone for our guild, and hopefully keep things peaceful and fun. Recruiting, btw, is hell.

in my experience co-op raiding between 2 guilds does not work. so good luck with it.

hmm so u need a lot more people to really be able to do anything.

running a proper guild that's doing stuff and progressing is too much like a job for me to ever get involved again.

Well, I'm not sure how the co-ops are going to work out. We shall see.

I have a story about the worst. tank. ever. It's going to take some time to write it down...the shenanigans were just...wow...

we look forward to it on the blog Des.

=) posted.

I noticed something humorous last night.

I'm supposed to be recruiting for our guild, but I'm not a fan of spamming general or trade chat over it, so I do have a macro that I'll hit once while I'm in a zone.

Previously, it was a very straight forward "We are recruiting, this is what we aim to do, this is what we have, this is what we need" type of macro.

After hitting that in a zone once, I saw someone hit one that said the same thing, but at the end, "Enjoy the donuts!"

It got at least a few people to respond to it in general chat. They weren't joining, but they responded with lols or "what kind of donuts?" type of responses.

So last night, in Sholazar, I hit the same macro, but added: "Come for the friendship, stay for the pie!" at the end.

I got a few replies in general and actually got my first actual whisper asking about our guild, raid times, etc etc. O.O

So, in order to recruit people, you have to offer baked goods? lol

Had to share. Found it really funny last night =D

there you go Des.

you can have a role in the new guild : Official Baker of Baked Goods :)

Heh. That's a good one - I'll have to add something like that to my recruitment 'spam'. Maybe "We have cookies" or something.

Reminds me of the evening that I couldn't get a group together for anything, until I posted to LFG channel with:

"Lonely Resto looking for mutually beneficial short-term relationship in a heroic instance. Group preferred."

For some reason, I got a group in record time... :rolleyes:

That is AWESOME Raging!

I normally don't even have to go looking for a group. I usually have a guildie or to that'll say "zomg Des, we have everything but a tank...will you?" or "Hey Des, full group but we need a tree...wanna go to <insert nightmarish heroic here>?"

And I just go along for the ride.

But yeah, I get more attention with less-than-serious recruiting macros.

This one got a LOT of attention last night:

<Ascendants> is looking for new members. What are we looking for? Expert Snowball fighters, nude instance runners, and a good baker or two. While we accept gnomes, we can't guarantee a punt-free environment...

Didn't get any actual recruits but I got a lot of: "Do you guys seriously run nude instances?" and "How often do you guys have snowball fights?"

Good times, good times. I was bored. I do stupid things when I'm bored.

well being a pug hater i guess i miss out on the fun as i only go along with a buinch of people i know plus 1 (or 2 if we're really desperate) from the lfm tool.

if there really is no one around i know for a heroic i'll grab some herbs, finish up my dailys or now i guess i'll go level the DK.

or if i'm really being a rebel......i'll log and go to RL ! :o

lol Khel. RL is scary!

I love pugs. Every once in awhile you get with a really good, really fun group. I still remember the one H:HoL group I got PuGGed into. The rogue kept throwing movie quotes at us, if we couldn't guess the name of the movie it came from, he'd pull.

He only died a few times, but it was still a lot of fun. They were a very happy, jovial group. Lots of fun. Folks like that make me enjoy pugging.

yeah RL can be !

its the 'once in a while' Des that is not good for my sanity or enjoyment of the 'game'.

i dont enjoy pugging, i'd prefer to be elsewhere.

doing the heroics with people i know, regardless of which guild is where the fun is......i dont mind the fact i'm getting no loot or no benefit.

i've been exalted with anything for months, i have no use for badge rewards til 3.2 is out and have not needed anything for a long time.....technically i could spend on a resto item or 2 and some feral when i respec but given the loot i'm trying to get on the AH, the Uldaur BOE's there is not much point in ilvl 200 stuff.

Understood. I don't know. I'm probably a "mean puggles" worst nightmare.

I always come bouncing into the group. They can try to be grumpy, but normally I get some lolz out of them before the heroic is over. We had this tank once, who proclaimed before we got started that he was in a SOUR mood, had no interest in tiddling around and we needed to keep up.

Well, racing tanks tend to cause wipes if the DPS or Healer hasn't run with one before...and that's what happened.

He instantly left the group.

So, being in a rambunctious mood, I proclaimed my undying love for him and all his paladin awesomeness, and told him how badly we missed him.

We got him to rejoin our group. When he re-entered the instance, we were all crying...and upon him appearing in the instance door again... I had coordinated a /cheer from everyone at the same time. He lol'd in party chat.

I maintained a high level of druid insanity throughout the run, and at the end he thanked me for making him laugh out loud for the first time that day.

Sometimes it pays to be completely off the wall. I take it as a personal challenge when groups are miserable people. I even got a mean, mean, mean Shaman to chill once by dancing between EVERY heal I through in the instance we were in.
/cast rejuv
/dance
/cast Regrowth
/dance
/cast Swiftmend
/dance

(I actually created a /dance macro JUST for this shaman...and yes, I still have it)

He eventually whispered me and asked "wtf is ur problem?" My reply? "I just wanted to see you smile." It was pretty silent for the next few pulls...then he says "I tried really hard not to laugh, but you win. I laughed."

=D

Des Insanity FTW! Just thought I'd share. I tend to be full of hyper when I'm in boring groups...and grumpy groups make me nervous and then I fail at healing/tanking- so I break the tension. =)

nice one Des.

you'd fit into our little guild perfectly :)

Don't tempt me, as I might just abandon Dramatan to seek out tranquil seas on another server lol.

Perhaps when they release faction Xfers...hehe kidding...

Well, if it comes to it, there's always Turalyon and The Elders. ;-)

No faction transfer needed.

</recruitment>

I doubt you all would want me invading your server, much less your guild.

'Sides, I'm still babysitting the husband's guild until he's ready to hop back in the saddle. I think before he takes control again, I might promote everyone to the highest rank possible...just for giggles....or maybe demote all of his toons...just...for fun. I'm also banking on the fact that he doesn't probably read this thread.

Working with him on his guild prevents me from making any moves...but the curious part of me wonders what your raid schedule looks like...

Lol. I'll PM you some details to limit the derailment of the thread.

we actually talked about trying to get some 10 man naax going at the weekend !

we've just gained back 2 people who dont want hardcore raiding but would like to be able to do Naax (they are not interested in Uldaur) - both have multi chars, about 3 80's each.

with other people we know in other guilds who dont raid a great deal we could do some Naax now and then.

Trouble is the organisation of it across 3 or even 4 guilds would imho be a nitemare and I dont have the time to do it !

So not sure if we will ever get it sorted. plus gotta work out what time we would start and for how long - esp for me given my RL, also people's differing timezones etc etc

Plus i've never been !

Naxx is easy enough if you take your time and remember to breathe =)

You're beautifully geared for Naxx, so that shouldn't be a concern. Tankspot has lots of great vids on how the fights work where Ciderhelm explains everything. I watch them even if I'm healing so I know what I'm getting myself into.

You should be able to use the calendar to invite folks even from outside of your guild. It'll make it a lot easier, and the days/times can be changed. It's just a matter of sending in game mail to make sure people make note of the changes =).

Our "co-op" guild decided to no-show, and we ended up calling off our raid this weekend because of puggles with crappy attitudes. /shrug.

yeah i certainly hope i'm geared ok for 10 man naax !

ahha never used the calendar apart from looking once or twice to check on the darkmoon faire location and timing.

yeah that's what i was afraid of Des.....hopefully they will turn up next time.

you really need people in your own guild to have the best chance of raids going ahead so hopefully your recruiting is moving along....

We're in the "tiny guild flux" stage. We invite 80's but they see how few 80's we have, and then they leave.

Last night I snagged an Enhancement Shaman after a heroic run. He seems really cool. Seems to like carrot cake.

Also, last night, our little Elfy priest had an officer from another larger guild asking her if we'd be interested in Co-Op 25's. So she had him whisper me. If his entire guild is anything like he is, it would be a beautiful co-op. I'm putting that in the hands of my husband though, so he can get more information and get things set up. He's the raid-guy in the guild.

I'm the one in charge of guild morale/nonsense. That being said we need to have another guild Fun-Night tonight. I definitely need snowballs.

Recruiting tends to go very slowly at this stage of the game. Folks are impatient and want to be in a bigger guild with lots of raid-ready folks so they can grind through new content...and understandably so. I'd really love for this co-op to work out.

My concern though, is that if our 80's are raiding a bunch, we'll end up losing our lowbies. They're just as much a part of this guild as the 80's. In fact, some of our lowbie new recruits have made this guild exponentially more fun. So I need to try and keep some amount of balance there too. Yay for guild leadership! lol

We'll have to see how it goes. I think if we can snag a few of our own 80's that all can raid on the same nights, then pick up a couple of friends here and there, we should be able to start 10's and probably get to recruiting easier. It's just frustrating.

But, the guild is only about 2 weeks old now and has 4 bank tabs and there were 10 actual members on last night. It was awesome!

BTW- checked you out your gears, and you're easily geared enough for Naxx25 and geared decent enough to start Eye of Eternity 25 and Ulduar10...You're doing beautifully, Khel!

yeah its tough Des. people want progress and they want it now.

and there are a lot of guilds out there recruiting. so there is a lot of guild hopping happening.

yeah its the same as i posted Des - with our own 80's now and the friends i know we could get 10 people but its the organising.

at least i know it would be a totally fun run with no nastyness etc.

do you think the lowbies will stay with you at 80 ? are they people with no other high levels ? ie not alts ?

we had 5 80's on last nite when i logged which was a lot ! :p

Oh thanks Des :) Ok for some 25 mans and Uldaur 10 ? I am !

Seems like your gear, based on WoW-Heroes.com would be gtg for them.

We've got a few lower level toons with heirloom items, and a few higher levels, 70's and such. I know a few of them will hang out, but the way things are going- I think the vast majority are going to end up leaving.

I adore the members we have right now. They're a great bunch of people- very helpful and a lot of fun to relax and chat in /g with.

I adore our members so far. I'm taking the rest of this week off from my "responsibilities" and I'm just going to go out and get to know them all a little better and make sure everyone's got what they need and gets the help they need. I'd rather do that than leave them wondering why they joined us...Besides, iirc, we have an actual GM...somewhere around here...so he can take care of all the random stuff for a week.

what's wrong with the way things are going and why are the vast majority going to leave ?

is husdruid not pulliing his GM weight ! :o

Well, there's nothing really "wrong" with the way things are going. I just worry too much. And Husdruid tries, but he's not online when the vast majority of us are- so when things come up...I'm all on my own to deal with it. He's got this notion that he doesn't want to "give away officerships like candy"...so I really can't delegate anything to anyone.

Although, I do have a few Jr. Officers...I might start bossing them around a little bit.

if he is not on much/enough etc then u are going to have to have a couple or 3 officers etc who are around or it will fall apart.

Agreed. It's going to be baby steps for awhile I imagine. I think he's got a notion that one or two people can take care of the entire guild- true for our size because we're still quite small, but as we grow and decide to start moving into progression together...it's going to get tougher. He and I will get it sorted out I'm sure. =) It's just going to take a bit of time.

Any suggestions on how to get a guild active on their website?

Threaten them? Bribe them? Any suggestions?

Include the website link in the MotD, and let them know that events are posted on the website, maybe.

Yrys, I did the MotD thing- but it gets changed immediately to something else...which makes me want to punt people.

It's a requirement for promotions within the guild, but no one knows this because they haven't gone to the site.

I asked because there was a "drama" that SHOULD have been handled differently- based on our Code of Conduct...but because no one familiarized themselves with the guild guidelines- it was handled incorrectly and we lost one of our high level players (and a tank, no less...grrrrrr). When I suggested that the person who handled it incorrectly take a moment to read the CoC...I got a bunch of guff.

It gets frustrating. I posted a detailed guide there on the new 5-man, since we struggled with it. I researched soooo many sources and compiled the info as best I could. One person read it. I even let them know in Gchat and MotD that the guide was posted there and would be helpful if they read it before we went in. Nothin'. Got in there and no one knew what to do. Very frustrating.

Maybe I'll give this task to the Jr. Officers or at least have a brainstorming session with them. Or...I'll just leave it up to Oh Captain, My Captain and beloved guild master/husbandguy...>=)

If you're an officer, crack the whip. If you want discipline, you have to enforce it. ;)

You can also change guild permissions so that only certain ranks can set the MotD.

I'll have to be a little more rawr I guess. "Go to the website...OR ELSE...no pie for ANY of you!" bwahahahaha

Another derailment, btw:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=79546.0

Um, new races for WoW in the next expansion? Thoughts?

do signups to raids on the website !

Khel, we tried that -_- well...*I* tried that. The in-game calendar thwarts that attempt before it gets off the ground.

I'm going to just leave it for now. I asked one of my Jr Officers to figure out a way to get people more involved with it. =) He's been like my first mate this entire time- so he's willing to take on whatever I ask of him. I'd like to have a night where I can just enjoy my in-game time. =)

make it clear in game calendar wont be used as the web site gives additional info on strategy etc

unfortunately Des you're finding out what i mentioned a whle ago about actually running a guild.

totally thankless task unless you have no life and can dedicate 24/7 to the guild and actually playing.

as you get bigger it will only get worse and there will be more expectation piled upon u. :(

I've asked one of my Jr Officers to take care of the whole getting traffic onto our site. I think once we start raiding we'll have more people visiting the site. I'm not all that worried about it. Besides, I have a few Jr Officers who'd run to the ends of the universe for me...so anytime I get burnt out or don't want to battle with a little piece of nonsense- they jump in and take care of things. It's nice now that they're stepping up a little more.

Between you and me- the Jr Officers have also been yanking my husband into things more too and trying to make sure that he's involved and helping to deal with things. =) WIN!

WE put the raid signups on our website for just that reason. If you want Raid, you have to go to webby. The ingame calendar I don't think gets used at all, I could just never find a way to manage things through it to my satisfaction.

What we also do is ensure that anyone coming into the guild also fills in the recruitment form there even if, as our standing rules allow, they're a friend of a guildie and basically get an immediate invite. It cuts down on the "So who's that then?" if people know they can go to forum and find out where the new guy has come from.

That sounds like a good plan actually...the officers will be required to reply to the officer code of conduct (when I get a sec to write it up) as acknowledgment that they've read/understand it. I might do the same with standard CoC for the guild...we have some intros and stuff posted there.

I think maybe a guild MotD like: "OS10-Friday-Signup @ guildwebsite<dot>com" might get them there... =) You guys are awesomesauce!

hehe np Des, we happy to help :)

oh and make mine HP please :)

we're lacking updates on the Blog Des !

lol I've been trying Khel! I have about 10 half-written stories that I just can't seem to find the time to finish and post because of some transitions at work. One of our guys left and his stuff was split between myself and our other colleague- it's been pure and utter chaos =)

I'll continue to work on it though. The other reason I haven't posted is that I refuse to turn that site into a negative thing- and I don't have very many positive, fun stories to share. Most of them would be about one person in particular driving me absolutely bonkers with drama and complaining. I'm trying to avoid that. I'll get there. I promise...just as soon as the world settles a bit =) lol

/afk

Took last night off from the game, and it actually felt amazing to be away from the game... I enjoyed a glass of wine and a bit of my other nerd-addiction...(Old Literature: Shakespeare and such...)

=) Might take more afk nights. It was so relaxing!

i'm planning a few days of total wow addiction and our first guild naax run this weekend as the wife and baby boy are away from sunday ! :)

funny how our WoW addictions ebb and flow, eh? My sister-in-law came to visit and celebrate her 18th birthday with us this past week, so there was no WoW for me. After taking her to the airport on Tuesday (maintenance day) I promptly returned home and proceeded to get my nerd on. I stayed up until 4:45 am last night (this morning, whatever) going heroics and getting my T8.5 helm from emblems.

Now i just really need to get into a ToC 10 man pug and get some better lewtz... the gear chase continues...

hehe nice skw !

yeah i am already at the stage where EoC's are not benefitting my main oomkin spec ! lol

That's kinda funny Khel. =)

I ended up logging in because my husband pressured me a little about it. >.> 99 Emblems of Conquest. So I guess I should start upgrading some gear. Last time I looked I only had about 18 of them...maybe better gear will make it more fun...who knows?

i've got 124 having already spent about a 100 on gear for oomkin spec.

i can probably get something for resto and i know i could buy a lot of stuff if/when i go back to feral but kinda sad i've not got anything to get to improve my main spec for already.

a couple of things i do need from TOC heroic...the Kris dagger for one and a nice caster cloak.

obviously the stuff from EoT's is pretty amazing but with a max 2 per day getting stuff from them is going to slower than watching paint dry !

well i'm now back to almost 250 EoC ! and nothing to spend them on for oomkin tbh.

i could still probably get a bit of improved gear for resto and definitely for a respec to feral.

i have now got the Spectral Kris from heroic Toc. But have to even see drop the Sinner's Confessions of the cloak, Kurisu's Indecision (spelling?)

Well, I'm back again, Looks to be that my wfie REALLY likes allaince. so i get stuck playing my alliance druid.

Wanted to say hey hey to everyone.
Been about a month since i got in this raiding guild.
Have already taken over the raiding officer position.


3 ulduar 10 grps run
i am leading the third grp.
First week in ( two days of raiding)
We downed FL-2twrs/xt/ignis/razor/kolo/auriya/iron council/thorim.

This week we're gonna try a new strat on the 25 mans.
thurdays will be voa/os with drakes
Friday will be ToC( never seen a boss downed in 10/25 yet,) If we can't do anything out there. we'll be heading to naxx25 to gear people up more.
And sunday is our, kill the bosses in ulduar 25 so far we have killed fl/razor/xt/kolo/auriya.


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Heya Talon! Long time no see!!

Good to hear from you. I was worried for awhile.

I haven't been on the grove much at all. A lot of changes at work and a drastically increased workload just haven't allowed me the time to stop in and visit much.

Congrats on the progression =) Sounds like so much fun.

We put together a 10 man Naxx this weekend because our guild is new and we wanted to get folks used to working together...and the ENTIRE raid was ruined by one person being a moron.

When we were fighting patchwerk- he sat in the back using his stupid juggling torches. Then he kept putting down the stupid train set while we were trying to prepare for the next boss fight...plus, we had to wait for him to catch up CONSTANTLY. And the group ended up breaking up on Thaddius because the little jerk wiped half the raid on purpose. I despise stuff like that. I would have gkicked him on the SPOT...but...

Because of the nature of our guild- my husband wouldn't let me tear his face off. We're a "friendly" guild, not an elitist raid guild...so he forced us to endure this idiotic behavior. Ugh...

But...there's a light at the end of the tunnel...This kid was later booted from the guild for being nasty in raid chat and for talking disrespectfully to my husband. He started his own guild...called Descendants...you know...because our guild is called Ascendants. Friggin twit. It really irked me. But at least I don't have to deal with him turning guild chat into a soap opera every night now.

OH OH OH!!!

I finally upgraded my tanking gear- new epic gems and stuff- and FINALLY tanked H:ToC =) I had been healing it before because the tanking gear was still "entry-level". I still have a long ways to go before my gear is where I want it, but it's definitely a start. I tanked the first two phases (3 mini bosses and Eadric the hammerhead) before our healer and the mage got into an argument over the Indecision Cloak and the healer left. So we ended up switching around and I got stuck healing the Black Knight fight. =) It was still fun.

I SO SO SO missed tanking. Now that I'm geared a little better, I think I'll be able to get more tanking in. Woot woot!

PS: Sorry I haven't been around much lately, guys, things have just been hectic at work and home lately. I'll make more of an effort to stop in now =)

I think your Hus-druid was alot more tolerant than I would have been in that situation. And normally I'm an extremely tolerant person.

But deliberately wiping the raid after his previous shenanigans... torches = warn. train = warning 2. purposely wiping = /boot. I guess it'd be different if you were farming naxx for badges and everyone was goofing around, but it sounds like it was a fairly serious raid - learning the fights and how to work together is not the time for that much goofing off.

Anyhow, grats on tanking hToC - I haven't worked up the nerve to do that yet. But I've been seriously considering it, as tanks seem to be our deficient role of the month right now.

Agreed Raging. 10000%

I wouldn't really call it a serious raid, but being that our guild is fairly new, it was more of a "learning" run (as in learning fights for some, and learning how we work together as a team for all of us). It's really hard to teach fights and figure things out when you've got one person disrupting the entire thing.

He was later removed from the guild, which prompted him to beg my mother to have me remove him from my ignore list so he could apologize.

Yes, I fell for it. It ended up being him lecturing me about being too tense and too serious and making the entire raid miserable. I explained to him that his childish nonsense and non-stop complaining was what had turned our rather jovial raid into a nightmare (I'd gotten plenty of whispers from fellow raid members indicating that they had had enough of his crap)...which he replied to by saying that he has the right to play how he wants to because he pays his $30 a month (apparently his WoW is better than ours...who knew?)

I tried repeatedly to explain that, while yes, he deserves to enjoy the game as he wishes- that there were 9 other folks there who also deserved to enjoy their raid and that his foolishness was ruining it for them...but he doesn't get it. The kid is like 15 yrs old IRL, so maybe he's too young yet to understand? Not sure. But after a 20 minute discussion about the situation- he started with the insults and quickly found his way back onto my ignore list.

I felt kinda bad, but I don't pay my monthly fee to deal with 15 y/o drama queens that I'll never meet irl. I hope his new guild works out for him, because after his little tirade, he's not welcome back to ours.

I have sooooooooo many stories about him I could tell you. Khel would giggle himself to bits and pieces over some of them, I'm sure. lol

You should give ToC a try, Raging. It's really not that bad. But, a word of advice: If you end up with the Warrior as one of your three mini-bosses...make sure to tank him AWAY from the doorway. He threw me behind one of the pillars near the door twice in a row, which put me out of LoS for the healer...and we wiped. >.> Who knew?

zomg Des is alive !

Grtz on tanking some ToC H !!

I have just finished healing it for the first time ! damn its deffo harder than doing UK or HoS etc !"

BUT Sinner's Confession dropppppped...first time i ever seen it.

It goes nicely with the Kurisu cloak that dropped a few days ago for the first time.

/agreed Raging. He'd have been kicked a lot earlier than that if he was in my guild !

well come one then Des ! the blog has been sooo quiet its needs some stories.....

Khel, as soon as I get caught up a little bit at work and home- you better believe there will be stories...oh yes...many. This particular DK could have an entire series by himself. I'll be working on that very very soon =)

u gone v quiet again Des.....

I've been busy at work, unfortunately. Also busy wondering why people don't just be nice to one another...

I need to start another thread I think...this one's huge O.O

KHEL!!! (edited for Khel)...

KHEL, I made a new post =) Btw, SS or it didn't happen...screenshot included =)

I realized today what a "nub" I am. "Haste?! What's this Haste? Hit cap? What?" Ugh...I frustrate myself...lol

Glad you guys still lub me even after all my "nubbie" questions.

(On Dramatan, apparently n00bs are called nubs.../shrug Thank goodness for the elitists on my realm or I wouldn't have a proper title for myself =)

ofc we love u Des.

:)

I'm glad =) I'd be lost without you guys.

ofc u would cos we r so awesome :)

True story, Khel.

=)

Has anyone ever used http://leftoversraiding.org/?

Or do you know of anything like this for other servers?

Anyone have advice for a brand new GM?

Husband handed the guild over to me last night so I could get the metamorphosis started-aka converting from a "sometimes raid/casual guild" to a "casual guild that has regular raids with lots of WIN".

I promoted a new officer to help split up the responsibilities of getting raids going. He's been a life-saver already =) Hopefully he'll be bringing his friend back into our guild as an officer to help build momentum and sustain it.

I'm sort of new at this whole thing and really want our crew to be successful. They're a great bunch. I don't want to fail them, so any advice would be infinitely appreciated.

Also, thanks Skwid for the advice and the push. =) My fellow Ascendants thank you as well. (Ok, well the ones that aren't freaking out over the recent changes lol)

grtz Des, somewhat belatedly !!

not been around a heck of lot recently due to stuff ! trying to catch up on your blog to.

tough job trying to run a casual guild that raids....i know i am trying and its not working !

GL !

I've lost the URL for the blog - can anyone help a softheaded tree out?

http://www.little-bear-tree.blogspot.com/

The last few weeks have been rough, but hopefully we'll be able to bring it in and get things flowing a little smoother again.