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talonkylor
04-21-2009, 10:44 AM
What are the base stats/talents i need for tanking heroics and 10mans now?

Solarflash
04-21-2009, 12:05 PM
Sorry, I can't be more helpful, but there are not really any solid base lines for a bear for heroics or 10-man at them moment.

The overall impact of the patch is hard to understand, at least for me, at this point. It seems to have hit the high end tanks much harder than the entry level tanks, so If we assume the standards haven't changed since 3.1 (not a great assumption), you should be shooting for:

Entry Level heroics (Nx, UK, VH, CoH)
25k Health (shifted)
20k Armor+ (shifted)
25-30% dodge (shifted)

Harder Heroics:
30k+ Health (shifted)
25k+ Armor (shifted)
30%-40% dodge (shifted)

10 mans need about the same as the harder heroics. A good goal to shoot for is all i187+ gear before 10 manning, and all i200+ stuff for 25 man.

I strongly reccomend avoiding Uldaur all together until you are in mostly i213. (Blizzard claims i200 is adeqate for ulduar10, but I think they have over tuned the content abit at the moment for that)

talonkylor
04-21-2009, 12:11 PM
Thanks Alot for the info, I will bookmark this post and when i get home i will see how my gear is. i am only exalted with Kirin Tor , atm..
Tho i think most of my blues/( couple epics) are around 200, no enchants on them tho.

My name is Wickedly - US - Misha-- Heh i found out u could edit your location in the user options, i added my name and location and server to there for quicker reference from now on :)

Though, Right now i am in my healing gear, I will also have to respec to bear, is there a good bear spec to go for nowadays?

talonkylor
04-22-2009, 07:23 AM
hmm i put my feral gear on last night and logged out with that on, seems wow heroes says i have pretty ok gear even though none of it has enchants on it.

i don't know tho i feel weak i guess, havn't got a chance to try out my new spec though

Solarflash
04-22-2009, 08:12 AM
Wow-Heroes has you at 1398 for your gear score. That puts you in the high heroics to entry raiding.

Our guild requries folks to be at 1500 for Naxx 10 (not a hard rule, but a firm suggestion)

With enchants and gems, you should be ready to start Naxx. Don't expect to clear it, but certainly could handle spider and plague wings.

Also, on your talent, you may want to get 2 points into "Savage Fury". It is a straight 10% buff to your damage which will help a lot in both forms.

I would take points out of Infected Wounds or Furor.


My gear is still showing my old Feral stuff atm, but I respec'd yesterday so, hopefully that will update soon. I change to "Resto" to buff myself, so I don't put points in iMotW.

http://wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Cenarion%20Circle&name=Solarflash
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cenarion+Circle&n=Solarflash

talonkylor
04-22-2009, 08:27 AM
Well The good thing is i am also resto spec with a high 1600 rating, so when my gear lacks for something i can always heal it.
The people i play with usually will let me roll on offspec gear, i usaully don't run with a rogue so that's a plus for gear drops.

When i get home this evening i will check your spec, and possibly respec the same as you and see how that rolls when i do get to tank my first heroic.

My biggest dilema is i don't know how to enchant / gem for bear anymore.

Solarflash
04-22-2009, 08:43 AM
Enchant / Gem = Agi agi agi!!!!

You can toss a stam or hit enchant or gem in if agi doesn't work, but that should be your #1 go to when possible.

talonkylor
04-22-2009, 08:49 AM
thank you :)

Destinae
04-22-2009, 09:01 AM
Morning, Talon.

Do you know what your HP/Dodge/Armor are when shifted + Druid buffed?

You look like you'll be ok for heroics, just from what I can see on the armory. I personally like Primal Tenacity, since I seem to get stunned an awful lot. I skimped on my resto talents for my feral spec to pick up KotJ and Savage fury. RAWR.

If I would have been thinking last night, I'd have logged out in one of my tanking sets and would have stayed shifted. I can try to do that tonight.

I found these articles to be quite helpful (even though I haven't grabbed these enchants yet...been focusing on resto more lately)

For Feral Tank Enchants by Slot (courtesy of "Of Teeth and Claws". (http://teethandclaws.blogspot.com/2008/12/feral-enchantments.html)

For gems, it looks like you have 1 blue and 3 red slots on the gear that's on your armory as of today. So, you could grab some Delicate Scarlet Rubies for your red slots- they give you +16 Agi each...Can't go wrong with a bit of dodge :)

For a cheaper alternative you could go with a Delicate Bloodstone. They're incredibly affordable on our AH and give you +12 Agi. Shifting Twilight Opals give you +8 Agi and +15 Stam. That would be a nice choice also in balancing your stats, plus it's a purple gem, and can be used in Red or Blue :D YAY!

If you're just lacking stam, maybe go with the blue gem, Solid Sky Sapphire. +24 Stam is yummy if you're needing to boost your HP a bit.

Once you get your HP and Dodge up where you want them to be, you can tinker around with other gems or enchants for more RAWR.

If bears still work as they've worked in the past- which seems to be the case so far- You can't go wrong with Stam + Agi. Crit is a beautiful thing now with the new Savage Defense. The more AP you have the less likely you'll lose threat to an OP Fire Mage *sigh*.

Another note about King of the Jungle on the Feral Tree. I got a little guff for picking that up, BUT...in my defense...I am rage starved quite a bit. I find myself hitting Enrage whenever it's up. The little buff from KotJ to my attack power helps me reign the mobs back in if I've lost them to the DPS during a rage-deprived moment. Just throwing that out there. So =P to the hunter that picked on me about it!

Ooooh, and if you haven't already...go after Sons of Hodir rep. They've got some really sexy shoulder enchants for both feral and resto. It's an eternal grind, but very much worth it.

talonkylor
04-22-2009, 09:42 AM
Do you know what your HP/Dodge/Armor are when shifted + Druid buffed?
with how my gear is now i am...
21k hp
33% crit
30 or so dodge
25k armor ( i think)

But i think i am shifted/feral spec'd when i logged out cause my stats on armory looks like my stats

Destinae
04-22-2009, 09:55 AM
You'll probably want to look into picking up some gear that's a smidge heavier on stam I would think. I can sort of remember what my gear looked like when I got "geared" to run heroics.

I had:
Headguard of Retaliation
Trollwoven Spaulders (Crafted)
Eviscerator's Bindings (BoE World Drop- AH)
Trollwoven Girdle (Crafted)
Polar Vest (Crafted)
Polar Boots (Crafted)
Durable Nerubhide Cape (Crafted)

I had the +75 Stam Alchemists stone and some other random trinket. I also think I started with the Staff of the Sorrowful Chieftain as my tanking weapon tbh.

I replaced that weapon initially with the Enraged Feral Staff from H:UK and have slowly begun to replace the rest of my gear. Badge grinding has been VERY slow for this druid, and the loot gods seem to hate me lately. Even though Skwid yells at me almost daily- I don't have very many enchants on my gear. Be thankful that it's gemmed. I assumed I would be replacing it more quickly, but I'm finding that this is not the case, so I probably should grab some better enchants...

talonkylor
04-22-2009, 10:02 AM
You'll probably want to look into picking up some gear that's a smidge heavier on stam I would think. I can sort of remember what my gear looked like when I got "geared" to run heroics.

I had:
Headguard of Retaliation
Trollwoven Spaulders (Crafted)
Eviscerator's Bindings (BoE World Drop- AH)
Trollwoven Girdle (Crafted)
Polar Vest (Crafted)
Polar Boots (Crafted)
Durable Nerubhide Cape (Crafted)

I had the +75 Stam Alchemists stone and some other random trinket. I also think I started with the Staff of the Sorrowful Chieftain as my tanking weapon tbh.

I replaced that weapon initially with the Enraged Feral Staff from H:UK and have slowly begun to replace the rest of my gear. Badge grinding has been VERY slow for this druid, and the loot gods seem to hate me lately. Even though Skwid yells at me almost daily- I don't have very many enchants on my gear. Be thankful that it's gemmed. I assumed I would be replacing it more quickly, but I'm finding that this is not the case, so I probably should grab some better enchants...
I'm an alchemist too!
i didn't even think about that trinket!

Destinae
04-22-2009, 10:18 AM
LoL! Yeah switch out between the Indestructible Alchemist's Stone and The Mighty Alchemist's Stone depending on the fight. If I need the AP boost more than the stam boost, I go with Mighty for some extra rawr.

You learn it at Skill lvl 400 Alchemy, I believe.

There's a trinket that drops in H:Azjol Nerub that I've yet to get my hands on, since I can't seem to get a group that gets past the first room *sigh* -_-

I used Big Bear Butt's list (http://thebigbearbutt.com/2009/01/05/bear-tanking-specs-and-gear-pre-naxx/) to start getting geared for heroics, and a lot of that gear is still viable in Naxx for tanking. I passed up on the Eviscerator's Facemask because, let's face it- the Headguard of Retaliation is just...better.

Though, The Shroud of Darkness (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43403) drops from that EVIL EVIL Voidwalker Boss in H:VH- and that gave me an unbelievable stam boost with the gems I slapped in there. Like, RAWR BABY! With that boost, I can look for more Agility/AP/etc for a lil more grr for my bear, and I imagine still very easily survive about any encounter.

talonkylor
04-29-2009, 07:18 AM
well, i bought me some gear used up my EoH's on the t7 chest and gloves,

Now i'm sitting at ( with only MOTW)
28k hp
26k armor
36% dodge
30+crit( i think it's 33)

Kheldar
04-29-2009, 07:57 AM
thats sounds like a solid set of stats to do some heroics for sure Talon.

cant comment on 10 man naax as i dont raid.

cant see all your gear via the firewall unfortunately.

talonkylor
04-29-2009, 08:40 AM
thanks, You firewall blocks both armory and wow-heroes? that's strange.

Kheldar
04-29-2009, 09:00 AM
to a degree ofc it also depends upon the rest of your group.

with an imba healer it helps to make up for any deficiencies in your gear and with great dps mobs die much quicker giving the healer an easier time.

i know that if we run heroics with some people i know we are assured of a fast, virtually faultess run through the likes of AN/AK/UK/HoL/HoS and even VH depending upon bosses.

if we end up pugging a few people then you're never sure.

skwidrific
04-29-2009, 11:51 AM
it's a little funny to me that Naxx25 is SO forgiving gear-wise for dps, but no much for the tanks...

when i started running Naxx25 as feral dps, my only epic was the Staff of Trickery from hVH (which i JUST happened to replace last night with The Undeath Bringer wewt!)

now that i'm trying to gear up for Bear as my 2nd spec, im having a hell of a time going back through heroics... It looks like i'll be running hDTK for the tanking ring until my eyes bleed.

talonkylor
04-29-2009, 12:57 PM
speaking of eyes bleeding i'm on my 25th vh run no staff
15 an run, no trinket
dtk-5 runs
i havnt even decided if i want to get the pants from gundrak or not. --- if pants even drop from in here.. lol
i'm bad with picking gear Sometimes

tlbj6142
04-29-2009, 01:54 PM
It took a long time for me to get the VH staff. But then it dropped 3 times in a row. However, I got the AN trinket on my 2nd run. The Gun pants took some time....

I did get very lucky in Naxx (10-man) as I got both staffs in back to back runs (but it took us 4+ runs to even make it to the DDR boss). And my helm on the 3rd run. Still haven't gotten my T7 pants.

Uldar hasn't been to kind to us so far. I think it really exposes those that "know their class" and those that don't. In 10-man Naxx you could carry 2-3 so-so players if you had at least one good tank and a couple of healers. Not sure that can happen in Uldar, even after the "nerfs".

talonkylor
04-30-2009, 07:13 AM
Welp I got the valor medal trinket with BoH.
Got the staff of trickery after 28 runs.
An is still no luck
Gundrak the pants Dropped, but i lost the roll to a rogue lol.

Talk about beating a dead horse....:deadhorse
But atleast i am getting there,
I love to tank and love to heal, so i dont like it when i am undergeared and can't help my wife/friends.

Kheldar
04-30-2009, 07:54 AM
i was lucky with the staff - only took about 3 VH runs for it to drop.

i need to run more Drak and Gun, for some reason we dont go there much

Destinae
04-30-2009, 08:44 AM
It could be worse guys. I've seen the Staff of Trickery drop 5 times now. 4 of those times I lost the roll to a hunter in the group. 1 of those times a rogue need rolled just to vendor it- and yes, I lost that roll as well.

Or, opening 300+ Brightly Colored Eggs last night and no pet, no tux pieces. Just a few dresses, some blossoming branches and a handful of circlets. Oi! I can still get my achievement, but was seriously hoping the rabbit pet would drop during the first 100 or so chocolates so I didn't have to farm 255 of them. No such luck...LOL

tlbj6142
04-30-2009, 09:26 AM
i need to run more Drak and Gun, for some reason we dont go there muchI really like Gundrak, it is probably one of my favorite 5-mans, but like you said it doesn't get run all that often.

I'd say that OK is the least run 5-man. I never see anyone asking for that place in trade/lfg (aren't those the same channel???).

Destinae
04-30-2009, 11:13 AM
I'd have to aggree TLB. I've been trying to get a run together for AN for the trinket, and also OK for the heroic achievement of just running it and completing it. I hop into LFG just about every night for those two instances- no one's willing to go. I'll get asked to tank or heal any of a million OTHER things, including raids, but no one wants to run those instances.

I want my EoG...grrr....

talonkylor
04-30-2009, 01:12 PM
I want my EoG...grrr....


Get In line.

Destinae
04-30-2009, 02:20 PM
I'll just ....*barges in front of Talon in line* There we go. Me first!

Kidding. I'd really just like to see both of those instances through to the end to be totally honest. Maybe pick up some gear while I'm at it too...

talonkylor
04-30-2009, 09:48 PM
wow , you've never finished either of them?
YOu must have some super bad pugs on your server

Kheldar
05-01-2009, 02:50 AM
i did manage to get both Drak and Gun done as heroic achievements a week or 2 back - my first and so far the only times i've ever been into them !

there are still some 5 mans i've not ever been to though !

CoS
Occulus

I try not to pug much - too stressful (like running one with a rogue whose dps at the end as less than 1k!) and the people i mainly run with no one ever suggests either of them....not sure why...

I really need to run them if only to get the heroic achievements, esp as Occ seems to be the daily an awful lot, as does AK.

Destinae
05-01-2009, 08:44 AM
With H:AN...every group I've ended up in has given up on the first "gauntlet" before that very first boss. The skirmisher's random charge and the fact that you can't taunt them makes life miserable, so people just give up. I've learned a BUNCH of strategies for dealing with that random charge through reading about the encounter, but to actually get a PuG to listen...well...it seems to be an impossibility.

For H:OK, I've never seen it on either regular or heroic. It's one of those heroics people on my server just don't seem to want to do at all.

I don't think either are exceptionally difficult as long as the group is decently geared, putting out the DPS needed, and able to cooperate. So, I'm with you Khel. I don't like to PuG because of the stress it causes. Frustrated with the inability to get through either of those instances, I've given to working on alts for a bit. It's more relaxing than wiping multiple times on a heroic with a PuG that just won't listen...

tlbj6142
05-01-2009, 09:44 AM
CoS
OcculusNo CoS? That has to be one of the easier heroics, too. When I first reached lvl 80, it was, by far, the most popular heroic I ran. At least, until, all the casters realized they wanted that damn mace out of hNexus.

With the new bear swipe, it has to be quite a bit easier. I still haven't completed AK (or Old Kingdom whatever it is called). I just ran Occulus (pug) on regular 2 weeks ago and then last week I ran it on heroic (pug). It is no where near as difficult as it is made out to be (HoS computer event is still the hardest heroic "boss" IMO). The final boss fight (vehicle fight) is stupid easy if everyone is on the same page and knows their role.

I think folks avoid AK so much because, it has an insane amount of trash. And the last boss makes you PvP, which many folks don't like and/or don't know how to do.

Solarflash
05-01-2009, 09:59 AM
With the new bear swipe, it has to be quite a bit easier. (Talking aboutH-CoS)


Bear swipe is awesome here. I was able to make a timed run with a very "young" group the other day. To give you an idea how low our DPS was, I ended up on top of the meters as the tank with about 2.3k DPS. (and no, I am up to 13 successful H-CoS timed runs, on three different toons, and no drake :( )

I also ran it with my Frost/Fire mage who just dinged 80 this week and was able to make the timer. (Frostfire = OP AoE though, was pulling threat off a full Valorous Pally, hitting undead!)

tlbj6142
05-01-2009, 10:35 AM
I've only tanked one 5-man (hNexus) since the patch (DPS'd quite a few) and it made the 2nd boss fight (when she splits into 3 clones) so much easier. I just stood still and spammed swipe 3-4 times before I started to focus on a particular clone. Never lost agro. Pre-3.1 that was a very annoying fight for bears. You just have to remember to not allow your rage to drop just before she splits. Otherwise you can't even swipe.

We don't raid on the weekends, so I might give a couple 5-mans a try this weekend. Ought to be fun. Maybe I'll finally get to do AN: AK -- OK...lol

Kheldar
05-03-2009, 03:41 PM
i've done AN and AK with some good people Des - we just blitz it with full aeo hurricane :)

funnily enough we did 3 heroics last nite and the last was Nexus - how annoying was it ! either we was all drunk or tired, plus a few people we d'cing but it was a nitemare.

yeah tlb - the last boss in AK can be hard. needs a good grp to do it.

nope never done CoS - dont seem popular with the people i know...

talonkylor
05-04-2009, 08:01 AM
Eh i thought the last boss in AK( old kingdom?) is fun and easy, the next to last one that sacrifices is a pita, but on a side note i tanked it, didn't have enough dps to down the sacrifice, and with my awesome healer i had, we still downed her.

Cos seems to be easy, but i cannot get a grp together usually that the healer will stay up with me. so that wipes us.

AN seems to be the hardest for my groups, i guess people just are scared to do it. Because when i run AN and am healing , i have no problems with it, but when i am tanking, Gosh i don't know i guess it's cause i don't have a healer usually that can remove poisons.

tlbj6142
05-04-2009, 10:54 AM
Eh i thought the last boss in AK( old kingdom?) is fun and easy, the next to last one that sacrifices is a pita,lol. See I thought he was the last boss. Didn't realize there was one more.

The PvP boss is the one I've never gotten past (no one could kill the healer). Maybe there is a trick to the fight that I'm not aware of, but, then I doubt ill ever see it so does it mater???

Destinae
05-04-2009, 11:13 AM
I'd heal it, tank it, whatever as long as I got to see them both.

If only I could convince Talon to xfer servers...hehe

TLB I've heard the same thing, that it ends up being the healer that's impossible. What if you had your healer change spec or gear or some such thing before entering that battle? There's got to be some crazy strategy for it that'll get the mirrored healer down.

Solarflash
05-04-2009, 11:26 AM
lol. See I thought he was the last boss. Didn't realize there was one more.

The PvP boss is the one I've never gotten past (no one could kill the healer). Maybe there is a trick to the fight that I'm not aware of, but, then I doubt ill ever see it so does it mater???


Best strat is to ignore all others until the healer is dead. They have relatively low HP and can be stunned/silenced/crit bombed...etc. Once you have killed all your NPC's you can help other folks kill theirs. So the trick is to have your Uber DPSers dominate their NPCs and then help the healer and tank kill off theirs.

The tank generally doesn't put out enough burst damage (unless a skilled hybrid ;) ) and the Healer suffers the same fate. So your tank just takes it like a man and hopes he/she survives long enough for help to arrive, and the healer just spam heals themselves.
*When I am tanking, I start with a charge on the healer for a quick interupt, then mangle/maul/lacerate, Bash, for another interupt and Mangle/maul again. Almost always kills them unless they got lots of hots up...darn Resto's.
Everyone /target healer as soon as their ads are down and kill em!

talonkylor
05-04-2009, 01:22 PM
I'd heal it, tank it, whatever as long as I got to see them both.

If only I could convince Talon to xfer servers...hehe

TLB I've heard the same thing, that it ends up being the healer that's impossible. What if you had your healer change spec or gear or some such thing before entering that battle? There's got to be some crazy strategy for it that'll get the mirrored healer down.

Uh... You could always come to mine!

talonkylor
05-05-2009, 07:50 AM
Update:
Tanking set:

I got me ( sorry i don't know how to do the hover links)
Nerubhide Cloak
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43565#comments
Titanium Earthgaurd ring
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42649
Savage Gladiator's Dragonhide Helm
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41675


Now that i am down to 40 gold , I'm gonna need enchants LOL

s3Rgio
05-05-2009, 08:33 AM
@talonkylor: gratz on the items!!


Now that i am down to 40 gold , I'm gonna need enchants LOL

Had the same problems for a long time.
Then i decided to buy gold. (I wanted to play in the time i was online and not worry about every little silver i spend).
But the prices are ridicoulos high. 5000g about ~€50,-

So i bought an account for €120,- with over 40k gold on it.
No worries here anymore for a long time. :D

talonkylor
05-05-2009, 08:35 AM
No offense to you


But i don't really condone buying gold, Though it might just be because i don't want my account to get banned. Can't they still track that?

Destinae
05-05-2009, 08:56 AM
I don't know if I'd buy gold either. A friend of mine did and it caused some issues for him. He'd gotten gkicked because the GM found out he bought gold. (Guess it doesn't pay to brag about how much gold you have after spending the night before whining about how much you still need...) His account was hacked and he ended up having to cancel his credit card. Definitely not my cup of tea.

Serg, in USD, you spent over $160 for 40k gold. I can't imagine paying so much extra, on top of the two account fees every month (I pay for my mother's acct too), for gold I could farm in game for "free". I understand why folks do it, believe me, I do. After watching my friend suffer, I doubt I'd ever do it.

s3Rgio
05-06-2009, 05:18 AM
I was against buying gold too.
But things in my life changed and i just dont have the time to farm for hours a day anymore.
I'm glad i can squeeze in the time for raiding 3-4 times a week.

@Des
Yep. The money part was a big question too for me.
But I'm not paying for 2 accounts and if i think about what time i spend ingame, other hobbies are far more expensive.
It's like buying new shoes for playing soccer. :-)
And this is a one-time-investement. Cause this gold will last through my whole WoW-Life.

Destinae
05-06-2009, 08:49 AM
LoL Serg! Initially, I really thought folks that bought gold were just bad people. But, as it stands I STILL haven't earned enough gold to cover my Swift Flight Form training. I've considered it. But again, after watching a friend of mine suffer with the hacking and gkick on our horde server...I just don't know if I would want to go through that.

And I agree. Other hobbies can be much more expensive. I don't hate on the folks that do it. I just don't know if it's something I'd ever do.

Can't you get banned for buying gold or accounts with gold on them? That would be my biggest fear.

s3Rgio
05-06-2009, 09:07 AM
Can't you get banned for buying gold or accounts with gold on them? That would be my biggest fear.

Don't think that it's illegal. I pay a person for the time of leveling a char to 80 and farming gold. It is nothing that offends blizzard.

And blizzard doesn't know which "char" bought an account.
They would have to look at the money-flow of the mail-system or AH to find the big money-transfers. Don't think this is happening! :shuffle:

And yep... i had my account hacked too.... but not cause of buying another account. :grin:

Destinae
05-06-2009, 09:25 AM
I hope I never get hacked. I'd never bother returning to the game. We've hijacked Talon's thread! lol

Poor Talon.

Solarflash
05-06-2009, 09:51 AM
Technically buying gold / characters is a violation of WoW's EULA. But, its also in Blizzard/Activisions best interest to look the other way. Gold farmers and power levelers are paying WoW $15 a month per account to do their business.

It violates the EULA because you are technically having an unfair advatage over other players and having multiple adults using one account (Husbands and Wives violate this all the time).

I have never bought gold, but did have an RL friend /quit WoW, and give me his gold. It wasn't a ton (~2k ish), but really still violates the EULA in the same way. It was somthing I didn't earn, that was given to me, thus giving me an advantage over other people.

Very gray area!

Yrys
05-06-2009, 10:52 AM
The ToU definitely says you can't sell gold for cash or sell or buy an account. It's vague on buying gold, from what I can see, but I'm sure it's not something they're happy about.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html

However, I don't think someone giving you gold would be an issue?

Destinae
05-07-2009, 09:15 AM
Yrys, yeah I read over the ToU and they're VERY vague on buying gold. They have this entire essay on why it's bad for the in-game economy, but they don't specifically state that buying gold is forbidden.

And, Solar, on my horde server, I was "lucky" enough to have had a friend that was quitting the game "for good", and he dropped about 8k gold onto my B.Elf paladin. There's nothing illegal about transferring gold between toons like that (We asked a GM to be absolutely Certain). I don't have the gold anymore. He returned a short while later and I mailed his gold back to him, happily, I might add.

That tends to be more of a drama avoidance tactic than anything else.

Destinae
05-08-2009, 08:45 AM
Got my Essence of Gossamer last night on the first, and so far...ONLY... complete clear of H:AN! We've completed up to the last boss a bunch of times, but never took him down. Finally, Anub-Arak went down last night. Phew!

Only crappy part is that it was the daily dungeon and we immediately went from there to DtK, and I forgot to turn in the daily. I'll have to turn it in tonight when I get home I guess...

Kheldar
05-08-2009, 10:36 AM
gratz Des.

i've not done AN that many times but i'm happy to say its always been with good people so its been fast.

i remember one early time when i did not know the instance we moved through so fast and killed some bosses that when everyone started to run out of the instance to move onto Gun I said are we not finishing AN first !

lol, we'd done the whole place in less than 30 mins !

Destinae
05-08-2009, 02:25 PM
There's an achievement for H:AN where the timer starts as you either kill or engage the first boss, then you can complete the instance in 4 minutes. FOUR MINUTES! ZOMG!

That would be, the best, ever...but yeah it's a super quick instance. And ty =) Me and Gossy are really good friends now!

Kheldar
05-09-2009, 05:28 AM
i remember doing some timed achievement in either AN or AK i think ?

again it was almost my first time in there and someone was taking us through who knew it backwards....i know we bypassed some stuff just to head straight to a particular boss i think ?

Solarflash
05-11-2009, 07:17 AM
i remember doing some timed achievement in either AN or AK i think ?

again it was almost my first time in there and someone was taking us through who knew it backwards....i know we bypassed some stuff just to head straight to a particular boss i think ?


That was OK (Old Kingdom) if you kill the last boss within 20 mins of killing the first group of spiders you complete a daily. So you can skip 3 of the 5 bosses if you'd like. Just have to kill the bubble boy and the final boss (takes about 10 mins).

Kheldar
05-11-2009, 07:55 AM
that's wot we did then Solar :)

talonkylor
05-18-2009, 07:19 AM
Well since i dont raid on my alliance druid i figured it's time to get my horde druid up to par with my alliance druid, right now he is 73, and he will be mirroring everything about my alliance druid.

Just figured i'd give you guys an updating on my situation and see what you thought.


Also how do i make my signature links, with text on them so you don't have to see the links?

s3Rgio
05-18-2009, 07:25 AM
Also how do i make my signature links, with text on them so you don't have to see the links?

[ URL="http://www.google.at"]Custom Text[/URL] -> remove the blank after the first [
=
Custom Text (http://www.google.at)

Destinae
05-27-2009, 01:26 PM
I <3 BBC

talonkylor
05-28-2009, 08:18 AM
Hey Guys look at more horde druid ( xedo on lightbringer US)
and give me a heads up what i need to change
I also have this chest peice
http://www.wowwiki.com/Crystal-Infused_Tunic
( i think that is it) That i could switch out for more migitation.
Also should i replace all my stamina gems with Pure agility ones?
Or, Maybe, Should i replace all my gems with pure agility ones?
How are my enchants and such also?

talonkylor
06-01-2009, 08:07 AM
Hey Guys look at more horde druid ( xedo on lightbringer US)
and give me a heads up what i need to change
I also have this chest peice
http://www.wowwiki.com/Crystal-Infused_Tunic
( i think that is it) That i could switch out for more migitation.
Also should i replace all my stamina gems with Pure agility ones?
Or, Maybe, Should i replace all my gems with pure agility ones?
How are my enchants and such also?

UPDATE: I got a new helm on my alliance druid, my wife wanted me to tank 25m naxx with her group, So i got a new helm off one of the bosses... Know what sucked though, Origin of nightmares dropped on my horde server , my guildies over there told me about it and almost made me cry.... lol
Not really but still, Isn't OON our Best in slot tanking weapon?

s3Rgio
06-03-2009, 04:09 AM
... Isn't OON our Best in slot tanking weapon?

Nope.
Twisted Visage is better.
And the PvP-Staffs are better

Solarflash
06-03-2009, 07:29 AM
Not really but still, Isn't OON our Best in slot tanking weapon?


Its the BIS for PVE'ers pre Ulduar. I find the PvP staves to be pretty unachievable for most PVEers. You have to hardcorde arena for those kinds of ratings!

talonkylor
06-03-2009, 07:36 AM
Its the BIS for PVE'ers pre Ulduar. I find the PvP staves to be pretty unachievable for most PVEers. You have to hardcorde arena for those kinds of ratings!
Yea... i don't pvp but thanks for letting me know there is one better than OON

Destinae
06-03-2009, 01:24 PM
You could resto your way to a pretty awesome weapon in Arena though, Talon. That's what people tell me lol

talonkylor
06-03-2009, 02:31 PM
You could resto your way to a pretty awesome weapon in Arena though, Talon. That's what people tell me lol
yea well....... i prob could but i have no pvp resto gear so i'd go down quick
probably

Destinae
06-05-2009, 11:22 AM
True...but the only way to get pvp really...is to pvp. I <3 the Catch 22's XD

I've been seriously contemplating grinding BGs as a resto. Husband's trying to push me into an Arena team. We shall see. As of the present moment, I rather enjoy freezing stuff then blowing it up with my mage =D

Kheldar
06-05-2009, 11:37 AM
dont do it Des !!!

stay sane, do not become a pvper !

Destinae
06-05-2009, 12:28 PM
I could never become a PvPer I don't think...but the PvP mounts are SO awesome looking...I'm thinking I might take a plunge to try and grind the rep to get one =)

Or not...the thought of PvP makes me want to hide in my closet, in fetal position...crying...a lot...

Kheldar
06-05-2009, 03:05 PM
yeah pvp makes me want to go outside and count the blades of grass in my lawn.

much more fun and rewarding!

Destinae
06-05-2009, 03:18 PM
:lmao: I <3 you Khel!

Kheldar
06-05-2009, 04:27 PM
:lmao: I <3 you Khel!

awwww /blush

dont tell my wife Des she be jealous :texla:

:band:

Destinae
06-05-2009, 04:33 PM
hehe *blush* She's got nothing to fear. I've promised my heart and soul away for all eternity to Balzeem <3

Balz = Husdruid. Yes. He's called Balz in gchat and yes...it usually turns a normal chat into a dirty little mess lol...ah the Balz fiasco :lmao:

Kheldar
06-07-2009, 05:44 AM
hehe.

you and your balz eh ! :p

Destinae
06-08-2009, 09:23 AM
Yes. And I get asked when we DO manage to Raid...

"Des, do you have your Balz with you?"

And thus begins our night of Balz jokes- whether he's present or not...lol

Kheldar
06-09-2009, 02:44 AM
So Des does this mean when you are tanking you have big balz and when doing kitty or resto you just have balz ?

:flipbg:

talonkylor
06-09-2009, 09:13 AM
During all of naxx 10 this weekend i aquired staff of the plague beast and plague hound- a few peices of naxx 10 healing gear and my teir helm off KT,







during the 25man run i got 1 healing upgrade

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40370 (gatekeeper)


http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40252 cloak of the shadowed sun


http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40388 journey's end



as far as pre uldaur staff go i am only missing the one off heigen and origin of nightmares ( i think)



i also got a total counting the helm of either 3 or 4 tier drops( I'll edit the post as soon as i get home to which ones i got exactly.)

The whole 25 man run only took 4 hours,
What was cool is i was asked to heal it, So they let me main set roll for feral gear.

Not sure if i will use the tier gear for healing or tanking yet. But obvious to say, i have 226 Heroisms i have not used yet(havn't used any yet) So i can def buy some of the buyable tier gear to go with that i got.

Destinae
06-17-2009, 02:40 PM
That's awesome Talon =)

You're a bear to be reckoned with!

Me personally...it'd go toward tanking stuff...but that's only because healing makes me want to shadowmeld...a lot...

Destinae
07-08-2009, 01:14 PM
Maybe this isn't where this belongs...but...

I recently grouped with a bear on server who had 30k+ HP in CASTER FORM...unshifted...30k HP and change...

O.O

How in the world do you get THAT much HP in Caster form??? Shifted and unbuffed I only have 31-32k-ish HP. I've tried to find him on the armory, but it looks like he logs out in kitty gear. I can't tell if he's just stacking pure stam or if he's actually got a decent amount of dodge there. Is this possible? I'm confused. Maybe I should stop hiding behind my leaves and figure out how to be a big bad bear again too...

Kheldar
07-09-2009, 03:14 AM
when you say in Caster form u dont mean as an oomkin ?

you mean just standing there not in any form ?

i'm sure that's possible if you have got high end gear and gemmed and enchanted for stam.

i seem to remember people talking about 45k shifted and some buffs ? so i would guess 30k not shifted is doable ?

Destinae
07-09-2009, 10:34 AM
I mean when he's standing there in Elf form, before shifting to bear, this guy has 30k+ HP.

I wish he'd log out in that gear so I could see what it is and how much dodge he has, etc. I'd strive for that. 10 man raid buffed he was well over 40kHP. I can't even imagine what he'd be like in a 25 or 40 man raid lol

Unshifted, in my heavy stam set I am around 20-24K HP. I just can't seem to find my balance in bear form anymore. I should stop resto-ing and get back to my feral roots so I can figure this out...

Oiysters
07-09-2009, 12:13 PM
Des, you can armory me. I am far from BiS and have several pieces that I share between my cat and bear sets and I am at around 27k in caster form. In my stam set I break 30k in caster easily.

Destinae
07-09-2009, 01:10 PM
I might have to do that. Is it mostly Ulduar gear now? It's been so long since I've played my bear that I don't even know what I'm looking for anymore =(