View Full Forums : Weapons and forms, actual ?


Archnawan
03-14-2005, 09:04 AM
So as I was wrapping up last night, last quest gives me a decent staff. Have been using dagger and off hand so staff skill is really low.

On equipping the staff and going to forms though it appears that my low staff skill carries over to forms. How can this be?
It makes no sense to say weapon damage does not affect forms but weapon skill does? I have never seen a weapon increase in forms so that makes it espcially sucky if your weapon skill affects you forms but can't be raised in forms.
This would mean every time you level or find a new weapon you have to run around meleeing in caster until you max skill.
This seems totally retarded, am I missing something?

Falloraan
03-14-2005, 10:44 AM
No, you aren't missing anything. It really is totally retarded. In fact, to make it even more retarded, next time you go feral, equip your fishing pole and see what happens...

Archnawan
03-14-2005, 11:08 AM
Unbelievable! Where is the line to petion a change for this. This so stupid I can't help but think its an unintended bug/flaw. I mean this really makes no sense. I can actually understand when the devs say weapon cant influence forms cause you can't hold a weapon with a paw. Fine. But to say my dagger/staff/etc skill affects how well I can hit with a paw is really just insane!

If they are going to base it off a skill how can it not be the unarmed skill and allow unarmed gain in forms? No free ride, still have to level it but certainly makes more sense. Now where is that line....

Aitrus
03-14-2005, 11:31 AM
meh, it takes like an hour of meleeing to go from 0-290 weapon skill. This is not a major issue.

Crimson13
03-14-2005, 01:08 PM
it still makes no sense though :)

I myself would prefer to be fully feral and spend most of my time in forms, this "bug" precludes that from being even remotely possible, and of course due to the weak feral tree talents (and the pigeon-holing of druids as healers at the high end).

Archnawan
03-14-2005, 04:27 PM
meh, perhaps if you play 8 hours a day but I play about two so thats half my time for that day.

Besides I'm not really beleiving that hour figure since after I got the staff I batted around a mob for about 20 minutes and only went from 150's to 180's. Sure you can get the first few hundred quick but then it slows way down. Matter of fact I'm typically about half way through a lv or more before my weapon skill maxes and I think this is largely due to using my forms and getting no increases. Now I'm not keeping track but I think it takes me more than 2 hours to level.

But really thats irrelvant, bottom line is it's just plain stupid to think that everytime you level or get a new weapon you don't have trained, you have to run around in caster so you can hit in forms, which supposedly dont factor in weapon used!

I think this probably hasnt been a huge issue in the past thanks largely to weak forms meaning lots of time in caster anyway. But mark my words though, if this patch creates the oppurtunity for a viable feral build the mass bitching will begin!

Aitrus
03-14-2005, 04:59 PM
It is stupid I agree.

But at lvl 60 I brought 2h mace from 0-290 in an hour, and had it up to 300 in another hour.

So its not something I see as a huge problem to the tune of say, being unable to shift out of frost shock.

Archnawan
03-15-2005, 08:49 AM
True, because you do have the option of spending the time to get your skill up right now. Maybe my problem is that I've been fighting the same lv monsters I always fight and had alot of misses until I got back up within 20 or so of max. Can you max out weapon skill on lower lv mobs? If so I guess I can find some turtles or bears and whack away while throwing a rejuv on inbetween swallows of beer. Still though,
pisses me off.

But isn't the frost shock shift being fixed in the next patch?

Milhouse
03-15-2005, 09:32 AM
You can level up a weapon on almost any level of character. I usually just run outside of IronForge and beat on the wolves and bears just down the road. They're all around level 12-15.

Midnight Sky
03-15-2005, 09:37 AM
meh, it takes like an hour of meleeing to go from 0-290 weapon skill. This is not a major issue.

I agree here, I play a warrior and have trained in 3 different weapons in no time (Bows, axes and maces). I only play 2 - 3 hours most nights.

Leafweir
03-15-2005, 10:55 AM
The

Skill

In

Your

Currently

Equipped

Weapon

Does

Not

Affect

Feral

Forms

Thank you

Aitrus
03-15-2005, 11:10 AM
You sure?

I have no way to test it as all my weps are maxed ><

Stormhaven
03-15-2005, 11:26 AM
I think my unarmed is like 170-ish compared to my 300 max. I can give it a try when I get home.

Starky
03-15-2005, 01:22 PM
Devs and logic, haha.

Archnawan
03-16-2005, 03:42 PM
Leafwier,

The

Skill

In

Your

Armed

Weapon

Does

Matter

In

Forms

Thanks for the condescending post.

Dude, I respect you for making some good post but at least check before making an
irritating post like that. Your melee skill is directely tied to your weapon skill. If your weapon skill is 233 in staff and you have a staff equipped it will be 233 in forms, and if your melee skill is low you will not hit as often and will hit for less damage.

If you have anyweapon skill left under 300 check it.

Leafweir
03-17-2005, 03:28 AM
I meleed down 3 Rotting Sludge in cat form, used Tiger's Fury constantly and alternated Rake + Rip (kept both on constant).

Warden Staff - 299 skills

81.7 dps

Unarmed - 189 skills (character screen however displayed 0 for melee attack)

84.7 dps

Skinning Knife - unskilled weapon - (character screen displays 300 for melee attack)

77.1 dps

Regardless of what I had equipped and regardless of what the character screen had as a number, hits and damage remained relatively the same.

Edit:

Just to be thorough I went to AH and picked up some crappy 2h mace, 189 skill. Attacked another Rotting Sludge, lvl 55.

79.3 dps

let's try in bear, mauling as often as possible

Staff - 300 - rotting sludge 54 - 62.7 dps

Hammer - 189 - rotting sludge 55 - 62.3 dps

Stupid mace cost me 30s =/

I'd suggest taking your own advice and testing your facts before disputing mine.

Stormhaven
03-17-2005, 09:08 AM
I saw the same results in lame kitty form using the caster form as my baseline - daggers, 1h mace, 2h mace, all three of which I'm at around ~296 skill, and unarmed (empty hand, no bloody knuckles), where I'm at ~232 (got up to 245 with this exercise, yay!). The average DPS stayed the same no matter what weapon I was using while in lame cat. Was fighting the skeletal drudges up near Chillwind Point (level 51ish).

Archnawan
03-17-2005, 10:12 AM
Your right, would appear I'm the dick after all. When I equipped the different weaps my skill changed in forms so I assumed it affected forms without doing anymore testing than taking a few whacks. Was a little hasty in my post. Sorry bout that.

One intersting thing I did note when I actually did test it, is that when I fought with no weapon with bear the animation doesn't usually show a paw swipe it looks more like a bite. As soon as I put the weapon back on its back to the paw swipe!