Just had a couple questions on these two talents to see if I'm understanding them correctly.

1) Imp Enrage description says that the ability "instantly generates 10 rage" Is that in addition to the 20 rage you get from the base ability over 10 secs? Or does it mean that 10 rage is given to you instantly and the rest is 2 rage per sec?

2) Thick Hide description says that it "increases armor contribution from items by 10%" You get 360% in Dire Bear already, so now you get 370%?

Thanx for the help, was trying to save a little money on respecs if someone had tried these out already. :>

Just had a couple questions on these two talents to see if I'm understanding them correctly.

1) Imp Enrage description says that the ability "instantly generates 10 rage" Is that in addition to the 20 rage you get from the base ability over 10 secs? Or does it mean that 10 rage is given to you instantly and the rest is 2 rage per sec?

2) Thick Hide description says that it "increases armor contribution from items by 10%" You get 360% in Dire Bear already, so now you get 370%?

Thanx for the help, was trying to save a little money on respecs if someone had tried these out already. :>

1. Have not tried Improved Enrage, can't answer that one.

2. I believe it's 370% -- and also 110% in caster and cat form.

I believe the Improved Enrage is bonus and still get the normal amount over time.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

With dire bear you get 460% total armor since the 360% is added to it (360+100=460)

So with 10% from thick hide you would get 460x1.1= 506%.

Again correct me if I'm wrong.

1) Imp Enrage description says that the ability "instantly generates 10 rage" Is that in addition to the 20 rage you get from the base ability over 10 secs? Or does it mean that 10 rage is given to you instantly and the rest is 2 rage per sec?


The extra 5/10 rage (for 1/2 talent points) is instant and in addition. This talent is a good alternative to Furor for heavy-resto specd druids, who want instant rage for Feral Charge or Bash (for pvp or whatever).

Correct me if I'm wrong.

With dire bear you get 460% total armor since the 360% is added to it (360+100=460)

So with 10% from thick hide you would get 460x1.1= 506%.

Again correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe you are wrong. It is my understanding that the bonus 10% is just to your base and is not amplified by the bear effect. Or arithmatically is more akin to a bear armor equal to AC x 470% (100 + 360 + 10)