Very Interesting Video
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:01 am
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Wow, its been awhile sense I watched this video. Think the last time I watched it was in early 2000, mabye 2003. Im thinking 2003 because that was the start of the Iraq war. I also remember some of what he said was debunked by science but most of it was quite informative and spot on.
Birth control is a long-term measure which only works when you plan ahead for decades. Most people are incapable of planning ahead further than 5 minutes.Fyyr wrote:It's only because you openly support the 'natural' or Malthusian solutions to overpopulation that Dr. Bartlett shows we should not support.
You've read my stuff. I fully support contraception. And am an active abortion proponent.
Arithmetic has been debunked by science in the past decade? Explain.AbyssalMage wrote:I also remember some of what he said was debunked by science
Not the arithmatic, but the fomula he uses to state his case. The formula is actually a quite bit more complicated, but the simplified version he uses makes the point and are accurate. One of the things he fails to mention (going from memory on the rebuttal of his claims) is that population shifts (i.e. deaths) can also occur at exponential numbers. The problem with population shifts is that we haven't seen one sense Europeons "discovered" America, because desease has been "controlled" for the time being. Life (all living organisms) grow exponentionally (and probably always will), its outside forces that ALWAYS cause population shifts. Life seems to be more LINEAR when stretched over the life span of earth, not exponential, but that is another story and arithmatic problem.Tudamorf wrote:Arithmetic has been debunked by science in the past decade? Explain.AbyssalMage wrote:I also remember some of what he said was debunked by science
But that was an event of limited scope, not an ongoing exponential function.AbyssalMage wrote:One of the things he fails to mention (going from memory on the rebuttal of his claims) is that population shifts (i.e. deaths) can also occur at exponential numbers. The problem with population shifts is that we haven't seen one sense Europeons "discovered" America, because desease has been "controlled" for the time being.
Life? As in the biomass of all life? Certainly there's a limit. And as the world has filled up with humans, they (and the species that thrive on them) have displaced other species.AbyssalMage wrote:Life seems to be more LINEAR when stretched over the life span of earth, not exponential, but that is another story and arithmatic problem.
The rebuttel to his lecture is that growth spread over a large time frame is linear, not exponential. The reason it has become exponential is because desease and famine has been basically been put in "check" for the last 100+ years thanks to modern medicine and agriculture. Once we deplete the limited resources that make all the advancements of the last 100+ years that wiped out desease and famine, expect to see the human population growth to become more linear again.Tudamorf wrote:But that was an event of limited scope, not an ongoing exponential function.AbyssalMage wrote:One of the things he fails to mention (going from memory on the rebuttal of his claims) is that population shifts (i.e. deaths) can also occur at exponential numbers. The problem with population shifts is that we haven't seen one sense Europeons "discovered" America, because desease has been "controlled" for the time being.
Human populations had been going up exponentially before that period, and continued to go up exponentially after it. The fact that the total number dropped slightly at one period doesn't change the overall nature of the curve any more than a new oil discovery changes the overall reality of peak oil.Life? As in the biomass of all life? Certainly there's a limit. And as the world has filled up with humans, they (and the species that thrive on them) have displaced other species.AbyssalMage wrote:Life seems to be more LINEAR when stretched over the life span of earth, not exponential, but that is another story and arithmatic problem.
But that's another point entirely.
Human population growth is exponential, which is why it should never be allowed to be a positive number.