*shrugs* I think this is a case of you reading into what you want to be there into what I wrote instead of what is actually there.Fyyr wrote:You don't make them richer. That's stupid.erianaiel wrote:What is at issue is the assumption that making rich people even richer automatically translates into them hiring -more- employees.
Hmm. I can not see that I suggested otherwise. And I also do not think anything I wrote called for this level of insult aimed at me.But you certainly don't stymie productive people from becoming rich. People deserving of being rich will just do it themselves.
If you can't see the difference(and many politicians can't) then you are a fucking retard.
Congratulations to you. Lots of people are not so lucky these days. A lot of them probably thought just like you until they lost their job, their house and their future in quick succession.I don't need the government to be successful. To produce a product or service and be successful. I don't need a bailout or a handout. I am fine with them just staying out of by rectum, on the deal. If you can make a dollar without stealing or fraud, it is yours.
You are right though that the goverment is not in it to be succesful. They are in it to ensure that everybody has the same chance at success and to protect those who can not otherwise protect themselves. Read up on your Dickens for a first hand account of what happens if government does not put limits in place on capitalism. Or read about life under the American 'robber barons'. Or for that matter, go take a look in the Foxconn factories where you can see the joys of unrestricted capitalism for the powerless for yourself.
Guess what. I am coming back to you. Because unless something changes and does so rapidly, the poor can not become best, brightest or rich. Already the odds that are stacked against them are almost insurmountable, and it will ony get worse in a hurry. You keep pointing towards Jobs (and Gates) as shining examples of what is possible, but they are the very rare exceptions. They also lifted on a period of rapid technological change that was extremely unusual in human history. Almost always change requires huge investments, which is controlled by, and profits only the people who already are rich. And for those who are not rich already, access to good quality schooling (considered a universal human right!) segragrates rapidly between the haves and the have nots. Access to funding your business? Getting harder every day. Justice is increasingly becoming a tool by the rich for the rich. Government then? Well, unless you get somebody to fork over about a billion dollar your chances of being elected president are zero, other jobs are cheaper to buy but still require a lot of money.When people from low economic class in the country can not become the best, brightest, and richest...then come back to me. Steve Jobs was an adopted bastard kid raised lower middle class who flunked out of college, look what happened there. When that stops, come back to me, ok.
Rags to riches make a good fairy tale, but chances of that happening are very slim. Riches to rags on the other hand is a story that is depressingly common. Not surprisingly though, considering how the middle classes are quickly evaporating with a few migrating upwards to the upper (and soon to be heridatery) classes and the rest migrating into the masses of the poor.
But ... you go right on believing in fairy tales. They are around, after all, because it is more comforting to hear that things can get better.
Eri