I'm behind the times as usual, and saw people in another thread saying they wished they could give this AA back. Can someone give me a summary, or point me to a thread? Thanks!

I used Dire Charm 2 days ago in Kael when screwing around. I charmed that wolf at the WL Side and it worked just fine.

nope nothing happened.

its not TOTALLY useless...but past hoh there really are no mobs to charm. Yes, there are mobs in fire, a young obsidian spider...but they are at zone in and really no way to get it to the second castle area where all the groups/exp are.

It still is usefull for farming in low level zones, but as i don't do that...in my
opinion, it is a waste. Possibly some mobs in Dranik's scar, so possibly help
if you wanted to do faction or fight for the two ukun camps but nothing else in OOW, Gates (aside from Natimbi by beach), don, nor most likely the new
expansion.

If you disagree with me...let me know, so i can possibly rethink my waste of 9 aa.

Well ty for this thread you helped me make my mind up thne ..i will wait a long while before I get this one Then. I was wanting this thinking it was going to help alot. but After I think about it you are right...after HoH there is no mobs as I have heard....Since I have not really been past HoH and Bot...YET..

I like to farm the Tormentors in plane of torment to make the Tormentor Stir fry and last night I tried to dire charm one of those mini green ravens in torment and it says it wasen't an animal =( hmmm I'm almost positive I used to charm those a few months ago... oh well, it's a bird! :confused:

I got Dire Charm when I was grouping in Earth a bunch, for the baby armadillo mobs. So it's at least potentially minimally useful past HoH. Not very useful, and not worth 9 AA nowadays... but it was useful enough when I was grouping there a lot.

Like some other skills, it doesn't scale well as levels go higher and we fight nastier mobs. Some skills scale pretty well (exodus and innate camo still seem like GREAT AA to me, even though some mobs do see invis and all). But Dire Charm, because it's tied to a max mob level and because we don't see many animals/mobs that low in the zones we hunt at level 70, simply doesn't scale well.

I like to farm the Tormentors in plane of torment to make the Tormentor Stir fry and last night I tried to dire charm one of those mini green ravens in torment and it says it wasen't an animal =( hmmm I'm almost positive I used to charm those a few months ago... oh well, it's a bird! :confused:

Most of them are undead, there's 1 type of DC bait raven that's druid charmable though. It's just a rarer spawn.

awwww Thank you Alueia I thought I was going crazy ;) Guess I'll just kill more till I get that rare one. I can charm the other with my chanter, I usually play my monk/druid/chanter, the extra dps with 2 dc pets is nice. And those birds also cast silence wich is nice for killing mobs that heal or gate :)

Well, that explains why some folks were unhappy with it. Thanks very much!

Depending on your play style, dire charm can be great!!!

I am one of those that is doing aa's before leveling because if gives me more places to hunt and i enjoy the older zones -- level 59 druid with almost 60 aas.

I mistakenly took the advice of what seemed the consensus of threads I read that said dire charm was a 'parlor trick' and only marginally useful -- I guess in the higher level zones thats probably true. However, I just bought dire charm and regret not getting it much earlier. For example, in the grey which is currently a hot zone, I am getting 4 percent aaxp a kill at the sun revenants. Prior to getting dire charm, I could only root/rot 4 of the six before the first respawned. But with one of the worms charmed and tanking, I can do all six -- that's 24 percent aaxp in 17 minutes in a very safe low risk camp (albeit a bit boring after a while).

Conclusion? Think out of the box when it comes to dire charm and you may find it is more useful than you think.

Dire Charm is useful around 59-65, but after that it becomes useless rather quickly because a) the mobs you fight are in zones with no dc bait b) the mobs you fight gain power incredibly quickly, and c) as soe raised the level cap they became even more hateful towards charming in general, especially after the ****storm they got from PoP.

Pre-PoP era exp mobs hit for maybe 150ish max, once pop came out they were hitting for 300s to start with, and quickly 600, even 900, and over 1000 once you got to elementals; these are exp mobs, not bosses. Then come GoD, everything runs like a cheetah on crystal meth, procs massive pain and death, and almost nothing is low enough to DC.

Dire Charm is useful around 59-65, but after that it becomes useless rather quickly because a) the mobs you fight are in zones with no dc bait b) the mobs you fight gain power incredibly quickly, and c) as soe raised the level cap they became even more hateful towards charming in general, especially after the ****storm they got from PoP.


I didn't think mobs really had a say in the matter with DC. Either they were DC-able or they were not. So what does point c) have to do with anything?

c) soe hates charming.

Dire Charm only works on mobs up to level ?46? They stopped putting wimpy level 46 mobs in the zones after PoP to try and limit the DC use. They went through a while back and changed the way many GoD/OoW/DoN charmed mobs worked. I remember back when GoD and OoW were still new that a Vxed or Tipt run would rely on a chanter charmed pet to do most of the dps for the group. If you snare, charm, haste a pet that was equivalent to say a mob in MPG, then it would be able to quite easily rip through the zone.

DC was an AA from the original sets given out. I did not get it when I was leveling up and as mentioned, now that I am level 70 I do not forsee me getting it for quite a while because it does not have as much use in the content I constantly encounter.

It really depends on your style of play and level and why you play.