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Panamah
09-28-2005, 01:30 PM
Indicted.... isn't that a funny word? That 'C' doesn't get pronounced at all.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1166709

DeLay Indicted in Campaign Finance Probe
DeLay Indicted in Texas Campaign Finance Probe; Expected to Temporarily Relinquish Majority Post
By LARRY MARGASAK
The Associated Press

Sep. 28, 2005 - A Texas grand jury on Wednesday charged Rep. Tom DeLay and two political associates with conspiracy in a campaign finance scheme, an indictment that likely will force him to step down as House majority leader.

DeLay attorney Steve Brittain said DeLay was accused of a criminal conspiracy along with two associates, John Colyandro, former executive director of a Texas political action committee formed by DeLay, and Jim Ellis, who heads DeLay's national political committee.

GOP congressional officials said the plan was for DeLay to temporarily relinquish his leadership post and Speaker Dennis Hastert will recommend that Rep. David Dreier of California step into those duties.

Some of the duties may go to the GOP whip, Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri. The Republican rank and file may meet as early as Wednesday night to act on Hastert's recommendation.

"The defendants enetered into an agreement with each other or with TRMPAC (Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee) to make a political contribution in violation of the Texas election code," says the four-page indictment. "The contribution was made directly to the Republican National Committee within 60 days of a general election."

The indictment against the second-ranking, and most assertive Republican leader came on the final day of the grand jury's term. It followed earlier indictments of a state political action committee founded by DeLay and three of his political associates.

The grand jury action is expected to have immediate consequences in the House, where DeLay is largely responsible for winning passage of the Republican legislative program. House Republican Party rules require leaders who are indicted to temporarily step aside from their leadership posts.

However, DeLay retains his seat representing Texas' 22nd congressional district, suburbs southwest of Houston.

DeLay has denied committing any crime and accused the Democratic district attorney leading the investigation, Ronnie Earle, of pursuing the case for political motives.

Democrats have kept up a crescendo of criticism of DeLay's ethics, citing three times last year that the House ethics committee admonished DeLay for his conduct.

Earlier, DeLay attorney Bill White told reporters, "It's a skunky indictment if they have one."

As a sign of loyalty to DeLay after the grand jury returned indictments against three of his associates, House Republicans last November repealed a rule requiring any of their leaders to step aside if indicted. The rule was reinstituted in January after lawmakers returned to Washington from the holidays fearing the repeal might create a backlash from voters.

DeLay, 58, also is the center of an ethics swirl in Washington. The 11-term congressman was admonished last year by the House ethics committee on three separate issues and is the center of a political storm this year over lobbyists paying his and other lawmakers' tabs for expensive travel abroad.

Wednesday's indictment stems from a plan DeLay helped set in motion in 2001 to help Republicans win control of the Texas House in the 2002 elections for the first time since Reconstruction.

A state political action committee he created, Texans for a Republican Majority, was indicted earlier this month on charges of accepting corporate contributions for use in state legislative races. Texas law prohibits corporate money from being used to advocate the election or defeat of candidates; it is allowed only for administrative expenses.

With GOP control of the Texas legislature, DeLay then engineered a redistricting plan that enabled the GOP take six Texas seats in the U.S. House away from Democrats including one lawmaker switching parties in 2004 and build its majority in Congress.

Alwind.Siafu
09-28-2005, 01:56 PM
I lean a bit to the right as far as politics is concerned but Delay is a quack job. Way to give him a slap on the wrist to set an example.

Alwind.

Fyyr Lu'Storm
09-28-2005, 02:46 PM
Way to give him a slap on the wrist to set an example.


I dunno, an indictment is a legal standing stating that there is now enough evidence to bring an actual criminal case against a defendant.

It does not itself prove or show guilt.

Anka
09-28-2005, 03:01 PM
If politicians are misusing campaign funds and gerrymandering then you want them out of office or in jail, not given a slap on the wrist. The only way to clean things up is to give all politicians the strongest possible incentive to stay clean.

Fyyr Lu'Storm
09-28-2005, 03:14 PM
A state political action committee he created, Texans for a Republican Majority, was indicted earlier this month on charges of accepting corporate contributions for use in state legislative races. Texas law prohibits corporate money from being used to advocate the election or defeat of candidates; it is allowed only for administrative expenses.


You have a law which prohibits a corporation from saying a message.

Hey, I think the guy is a slime ball.

But if the law that he broke is about that, then this is stupid.

I don't care if it is against the Election Code, people and corporations should be able to publish and air any messages they wish to. First Amendment stuffs here folks.

Panamah
09-28-2005, 03:15 PM
Corporations don't have all the same rights as people. And they shouldn't.

weoden
09-28-2005, 04:35 PM
Delay resigned his leadership position, temporarily.

Fyyr Lu'Storm
09-28-2005, 04:50 PM
Resigned with no delay.

Panamah
09-28-2005, 05:13 PM
Heh! Looks like the guy who is taking his place is the one that was targetted for "Political Sacrifice Human " last year. It definitely took down his margin of votes by a tidy amount, but he still got reelected. Also, I think Dreier is a semi-closeted gay and has been weirdly anti-gay.

http://www.command-post.org/2004/2_archives/016269.html

http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/david_dreier_cynthia_matthews_outed_outing_gay_926 .htm

I love Republicans! They're often so deliciously hypocritical!

Fyyr Lu'Storm
09-28-2005, 05:30 PM
“If David Dreier is gay, it is absolutely shameful to me that he would amass a 24-year voting record against his own community,” Matthews said. “I am saddened that David Dreier has voted against funding housing for people with AIDS and that he has denied AIDS medications to impoverished Americans -- those who are most in need of these life-saving drugs.”


I know I don't like other people assigning me my 'own community'.

I think people should be allowed to chose their own communities.

And they are not life saving, they are life prolonging.

I dunno, I think Matthews is an idiot. And I love lesbians.

Panamah
09-28-2005, 05:39 PM
I think there was more to his anti-gay agenda other than just voting against AIDS funding.

In fact, Larry Flynt was involved in his outing I think. I don't want to open this web site at work, but it might be interesting: http://larryflynt.com/notebook.php?id=88

Ironically he's got a 92% rating from the Christian Coalition.

Fyyr Lu'Storm
09-28-2005, 05:47 PM
So you think it is ok for other people to define your sexuality for you?

Fyyr Lu'Storm
09-28-2005, 05:49 PM
And I thought that AIDS was not a gay disease.



Criticizing hypocrisy, using hypocrisy,,,,its its just just creepy.

Panamah
09-28-2005, 06:02 PM
So you think it is ok for other people to define your sexuality for you?
There's a lot of question within the gay community whether or not public figures should be outed. I think the rationale is that if they're acting like total hypocrits, they're subject to being outed.

I could define myself as a black woman, but I'd still be white. If someone pointed that out, I might deny it. However... its unlikely to change my skin color, no matter how much I doth protest.

Anka
09-28-2005, 09:29 PM
How come if AIDS isn't a 'gay disease', a vote against AIDS projects is a vote against the gay community?

Kalest MoonGlade
09-28-2005, 10:15 PM
Because STD's are dominant in the homosexual community.

Panamah
09-28-2005, 10:59 PM
Here's his voting record on issues near and dear to gays

2004: Voted for the Marriage Protection Act. 2001: Supported legislation allowing federally funded charities to discriminate against gays and lesbians, despite local laws. 1999: Opposed the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (as he had in 1996 and ’97). 1998: Voted to prohibit gays and lesbians in the District of Columbia from adopting children (D.C. is 3,000 miles from Dreier’s own district); opposed restoration of funding to the Housing Opportunities for People with AIDS program. 1997: Opposed the Hate Crimes Prevention Act; opposed increases in state AIDS Drug Assistance Programs. 1996: Voted for the Defense of Marriage Act; opposed the Housing Opportunities for People With AIDS program.


But regardless, (or for Jinjre... irregardless!), he didn't get the Majority position. Apparently some of the other conservative members weren't ready to have a gay-guy in charge quite yet, even if he is closeted.

Klath
09-28-2005, 11:02 PM
Because STD's are dominant in the homosexual community.
I've always heard that lesbians had the lowest risk factor for transmission of STDs. Do you have any stats to back up your assertion?

Fyyr Lu'Storm
09-29-2005, 01:57 AM
There's a lot of question within the gay community whether or not public figures should be outed. I think the rationale is that if they're acting like total hypocrits, they're subject to being outed.

I could define myself as a black woman, but I'd still be white. If someone pointed that out, I might deny it. However... its unlikely to change my skin color, no matter how much I doth protest.

I think the rationale is that gay political activists want to show public gay people what it is like. That there is discrimination against gays, and that they should (be coerced to) work toward the gay political activists' agenda.

Skin color is a poor analogy to sexual preference, in any regard.

Aidon
09-29-2005, 09:23 AM
I dunno, I think Matthews is an idiot. And I love lesbians.

I don't think owning all 16 (is it still at 16?) volumes of 'Where the Boys Aren't" qualifies as loving lesbians, really =P

Myself, I hate pretty lesbians. WTF is this taking your hotness out of the genepool (and out of the 'potential romper-room play' pool, more importantly!)

Jinjre
09-29-2005, 10:00 AM
I think the rationale is that gay political activists want to show public gay people what it is like.

I always thought the rationale was to show the world that gay people are everywhere, yes, even in republican held seats in congress. And that sticking our heads in the sand and refusing to believe it, isn't going to make gay people dissappear.

Panamah
09-29-2005, 02:26 PM
Good retrospective editorial
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050929/cm_usatoday/prosecutornailshammeraddingtogopethicswoes;_ylt=Ap LO4Pk5vOCHKnzNyCiJlIqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3YWFzYnA2BH NlYwM3NDI-
When Republicans won control of Congress in 1994, a key to their success was their pledge to end the arrogance, ethical lapses and scandals that had become a hallmark of the longtime Democratic majority.
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Wednesday's indictment of House Majority Leader
Tom DeLay is just the latest reminder that too many members of Washington's GOP establishment seem to have forgotten how they got there.

DeLay and two of his Texas fundraising cronies were charged with conspiring to violate state campaign-finance laws in their effort to capture control of the Texas Legislature and gerrymander the state's congressional districts to elect more Republicans.

DeLay denies wrongdoing and blames his troubles on Democratic prosecutor Ronnie Earle, whom he called a "partisan fanatic." Whether these charges will stick is anyone's guess, but Texans who claim to have been counting say Earle has convicted more Democrats than Republicans in his long career of probing political shenanigans.

When DeLay led the House impeachment of
President Clinton, he portrayed himself as an ethical crusader. But even before Wednesday, his take-no-prisoners style (he's known as "The Hammer") and his penchant for crowding the limits of the law and House rules had repeatedly attracted unwanted attention. Since 1997, he's been admonished, warned and cautioned by the House ethics committee five times, more than any other member of Congress.

DeLay has properly stepped aside, as required by party rules that Republicans tried to water down last year but reconsidered amid public outrage. Yet his indictment adds to the whiff of corruption surrounding several prominent Republicans in Washington:

• Lobbyist Jack Abramoff, a DeLay golfing pal and fundraiser, faces wire fraud charges in a Florida casino-cruise deal.

• David Safavian, the top federal-procurement officer, was arrested last week on charges of misleading investigators about Abramoff's interest in acquiring property from the General Services Administration in 2002.

• Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., is under fire for selling his holdings in his family's giant hospital company shortly before the stock plunged on disappointing earnings.

DeLay and the others are entitled to the presumption of innocence. But, cumulatively, the allegations pose a threat to Republicans in next year's congressional elections. If they can't clean up their act, the voters could conclude it's again time for a change.

And lets not forget good old "Duke" Not-so-Cunningham who is also being investigated on corruption. He's a Rep from San Diego.

Fyyr Lu'Storm
09-29-2005, 04:08 PM
Good retrospective editorial



The Republicans won the majority in 1994 because of the Contract with America.

http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html