http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051006/ts_alt_afp/mideastbritainusiraq_051006214432


First thing that came to mind was this song:

(This is the song Bright Eyes performed on the Tonight Show. When Jay Leno introduced him, Leno said that Bright Eyes sings "political protest songs". So it would seem that Leno knew what Bright Eyes was going to sing. And, I always heard that Leno was a Republican!)

When the president talks to God
Are the conversations brief or long?
Does he ask to rape our women's rights
And send poor farm kids off to die?
Does God suggest an oil hike
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Are the consonants all hard or soft?
Is he resolute all down the line?
Is every issue black or white?
Does what God say ever change his mind
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Does he fake that drawl or merely nod?
Agree which convicts should be killed?
Where prisons should be built and filled?
Which voter fraud must be concealed
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
I wonder which one plays the better cop
We should find some jobs. the ghetto's broke
No, they're lazy, George, I say we don't
Just give 'em more liquor stores and dirty coke
That's what God recommends

When the president talks to God
Do they drink near beer and go play golf
While they pick which countries to invade
Which Muslim souls still can be saved?
I guess god just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God

When the president talks to God
Does he ever think that maybe he's not?
That that voice is just inside his head
When he kneels next to the presidential bed
Does he ever smell his own bull****
When the president talks to God?

I doubt it

I doubt it


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Has the White House made any comment on this article? I really doubt that the president actually said what is being reported.

he has.. and that isnt hte first time.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/10/07/bush.report.reut/index.html

<i>...Shaath, who at the time was foreign minister under then- prime minister Abbas, confirmed what he had told the BBC.

But he added: "It was really a figure of speech (by Bush). We felt he was saying that he had a mission, a commitment, his faith in God would inspire him ... rather than a metaphysical whisper in his ear."

In journalist Bob Woodward's book, "Plan of Attack," which describes the run-up to the Iraq war and is based on interviews with senior U.S. officials including Bush, the president says he appeals to God for strength when facing tough decisions but does not use God to justify decisions he makes.

The book says Bush, a devout Christian, said he tries to be a messenger of God's will but does not seek to justify the war based on God.</I>

he claimed to be " the hand of God " once =p

Wow... First Pat Robertson... then George Bush...


This God person's a bit too violent for me :(

This God person's a bit too violent for me :(

In defense of western religion, I'd submit it isn't God being violent, just His followers misinterpretations.

Anyway, given the source, I find the assertions dubious at best. As for other statments such as "the hand of God", that is out of context.

Now, how about this craziness of assigning the military to be in charge of enforcing quarantines in the case of a flu pandemic. Let me add some hyperbole here, maybe we'll have the military in charge of everything because they are so organized and it would just be easier that way.

Glad the military people I work with are sane, even they don't think this is a good idea.

In defense of western religion, I'd submit it isn't God being violent, just His followers misinterpretations.
Isn't that the same reasoning the moderate Muslims use too? Unfortuantely people use religion all the time as justification to commit acts of violence.

Well, now we know what happens when the Religious Right gets their way.

Isn't that the same reasoning the moderate Muslims use too? Unfortuantely people use religion all the time as justification to commit acts of violence.

Well, now we know what happens when the Religious Right gets their way.

It is just as wrong, too. What is your point?

What's the point of Religion then if it incites people to violence?

religion sucks period

What's the point of Religion then if it incites people to violence?

It's -supposed- to keep people in line, and for the most part it does. It's just that there are extremists for all religions who take their beliefs too far. The idea of religion is excellent on paper, much like communism. Sadly, human nature just won't let things work the way they're supposed to.

What's the point of Religion then if it incites people to violence?

What's the point of religion if it can't incite people to do anything?

In defense of western religion, I'd submit it isn't God being violent,


Your submission would be incorrect.

Few myths have as genocidal and blood thirsty a diety as this one. In Genesis alone, when He was just getting started, He killed almost every man, woman, and child on the planet. All the animals too.

Exodus, his plagues wrought death and destruction.

He is a rapist too.

Isn't that the same reasoning the moderate Muslims use too? Unfortuantely people use religion all the time as justification to commit acts of violence.I believe the local sentiment is usually.... "It's OK if it's MY God, but not if it's yours."

It's -supposed- to keep people in line, and for the most part it does. It's just that there are extremists for all religions who take their beliefs too far. The idea of religion is excellent on paper, much like communism. Sadly, human nature just won't let things work the way they're supposed to.

Naw, I don't buy that for a minute. I know a lot of people who don't believe in god, don't go to church, and yet they're upstanding people. In fact, they're just as "good" as people who do, and sometimes a whole lot better.

If you're going to be a no-good, you'll be a no-good regardless of your religious beliefs. In fact, I think the religious beliefs push certain people with personality problems into extremely bad behavior. And they find one another and egg each other on. With religion, you can be a rotten socio-path and feel good about yourself because you're doing it for your religion. Then, should the course of your badness mean that you get killed to, its all good because you've been promised 72 virgins and fig newtons.

Religion is fine, the problem is it requires faith, and faith is easily abused by people in power.

That said i'm not religiious, and I think most religions while they have a lot of good basic premise's, are responsible for much of the death and abuse and corruption in the world, however its pretty easy to judge what you know, its very possible that without religion things could be worse.

Your submission would be incorrect.

Few myths have as genocidal and blood thirsty a diety as this one. In Genesis alone, when He was just getting started, He killed almost every man, woman, and child on the planet. All the animals too.

Exodus, his plagues wrought death and destruction.

He is a rapist too.

God never raped anyone.

And God is a vengeful god. Fear him.

Of course he's a damned sight better than all those pagan gods you like to hold in high esteem on here Fy'yr ;P

Like Rocco?

Religion is fine, the problem is it requires faith, and faith is easily abused by people in power.Religion doesn't require any faith whatsoever. Religion is one thing that is horribly abused by (most especially male) executives in corporations. I have seen many men who push their wives to be active in a local church so that the perception others have of them is elevated to a "credible, wholesome and sincere" individual at their place of work. Hey! Take an hour a week to go to church in exchange for a positive reputation... easy!

Religion is one thing that is horribly abused by (most especially male) executives in corporations. I have seen many men who push their wives to be active in a local church so that the perception others have of them is elevated to a "credible, wholesome and sincere" individual at their place of work.

Don't blame religion for that, blame bad husbands and social climbing.

Like Rocco?

I'm not sure I'd elevate Scirocco to Godhood just yet =P

I'm not sure I'd elevate Scirocco to Godhood just yet =P
We have to nail him to a cross first.

I think he'd object.

Don't blame religion for that, blame bad husbands and social climbing.I wasn't blaming religion for it. I said that being "religious" (which is really just a perception by others) does not require "faith" (ie religious faith)

I'm aware that some people merely go through the motions of being religion to keep up an image, or because its simply what they've always done

I was talking about religious people who are actually religious and have "faith"

I'm aware that some people merely go through the motions of being religion to keep up an image, or because its simply what they've always done

I was talking about religious people who are actually religious and have "faith"Ah! Sorry I thought you were talking about President Bush. :)

lol touche